Vaccine too risky for elderly?

[Bobby]

What do you want them to legislate? Forcing people to have the vax?

Taking away liability from the nursing home
if they vaccinate a demented resident who then dies from it.

[Black Orchid]

What do you want them to legislate? Forcing people to have the vax?

Taking away liability from the nursing home
if they vaccinate a demented resident who then dies from it.

If the nursing home forces a resident to have the jab against their wishes and they die why shouldn't they be liable? The government has washed its hands of any liability and if everyone else in charge does too don't you see anything questionable with that?

[billy the kid]

Why would the terminally ill risk taking the vaccine? They'd be the most vulnerable to adverse effects.

What if they have dementia?
How can they give consent?

This is obviously a can of worms.
Someone with dementia may have granted Power of Attorney to say
the Public Trustee whilst they were able to before suffering dementia.
Power of Attorney only grants authority to manage financial affairs.
An Enduring Guardianship would grant power of consent to the Guardian.
If there is no Guardianship and a person has dementia, the Nursing Home would
have to seek "consent" from the patients family.
The family may not be able to agree...
This is a daunting task for all nursing homes.
I would imagine that the government, as per usual, will interfere....
As I pointed out in another thread...what if half the patients in a nursing home
want the jab and the others dont.....
A lot of them would have dementia.
I envisage nursing homes will, very soon, be communicating with next of kins
all over Australia, and attempting to convince them to become Enduring Guardians....
Good luck with that........

A monster can of worms that surely will require urgent legislation?

Yes...definitely...considering that the government is spruiking that the rollout is to
start in about four weeks...
What would that legislation entail...
At first thought, one can only assume that the government would pass legislation, or
instruct each state to pass legislation empowering a patients doctor to have the authority
to give consent to the vaccine.
This then removes the need for an Enduring Guardianship, but also breaches the civil rights
of everyone in a nursing home with dementia.
If a patient has an Enduring Guardian, the doctors authority would then overrule the
rights of the EG...once again...a breach of civil rights....
Bearing in mind that an EG only has effect when the patient has been diagnosed as
as being unable to make their own decisions...
I seriously doubt that the government has even thought of this topic, let alone
prepared for it.
I envisage the vaccine rollout will commence and nursing homes throughout Australia
will be in a total state of confusion as to consent and who gives it and the rights of
patients suffering from dementia....
Chaos......

[Bobby]

What do you want them to legislate? Forcing people to have the vax?

Taking away liability from the nursing home
if they vaccinate a demented resident who then dies from it.

If the nursing home forces a resident to have the jab against their wishes and they die why shouldn't they be liable? The government has washed its hands of any liability and if everyone else in charge does too don't you see anything questionable with that?

No -
I'm talking about residents who are not mentally capable of giving consent.

[Bobby]

Why would the terminally ill risk taking the vaccine? They'd be the most vulnerable to adverse effects.

What if they have dementia?
How can they give consent?

This is obviously a can of worms.
Someone with dementia may have granted Power of Attorney to say
the Public Trustee whilst they were able to before suffering dementia.
Power of Attorney only grants authority to manage financial affairs.
An Enduring Guardianship would grant power of consent to the Guardian.
If there is no Guardianship and a person has dementia, the Nursing Home would
have to seek "consent" from the patients family.
The family may not be able to agree...
This is a daunting task for all nursing homes.
I would imagine that the government, as per usual, will interfere....
As I pointed out in another thread...what if half the patients in a nursing home
want the jab and the others dont.....
A lot of them would have dementia.
I envisage nursing homes will, very soon, be communicating with next of kins
all over Australia, and attempting to convince them to become Enduring Guardians....
Good luck with that........

A monster can of worms that surely will require urgent legislation?

Yes...definitely...considering that the government is spruiking that the rollout is to
start in about four weeks...
What would that legislation entail...
At first thought, one can only assume that the government would pass legislation, or
instruct each state to pass legislation empowering a patients doctor to have the authority
to give consent to the vaccine.
This then removes the need for an Enduring Guardianship, but also breaches the civil rights
of everyone in a nursing home with dementia.
If a patient has an Enduring Guardian, the doctors authority would then overrule the
rights of the EG...once again...a breach of civil rights....
Bearing in mind that an EG only has effect when the patient has been diagnosed as
as being unable to make their own decisions...
I seriously doubt that the government has even thought of this topic, let alone
prepared for it.
I envisage the vaccine rollout will commence and nursing homes throughout Australia
will be in a total state of confusion as to consent and who gives it and the rights of
patients suffering from dementia....
Chaos......

I'm sure we'll hear about it very soon.