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Re: Trump supporters storm the white house

Post by neverforget7/11 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:56 pm

Sorry Sprint, looks like I missed you first read through but here's my thoughts:
sprintcyclist wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:30 am
On Wednesday January 6th 2021, over a half a million Americans gathered to peacefully rally and petition their government to honor and protect our election from fraud and corruption, and to restore the integrity of the 2020 vote. It was a gathering of good and decent people. They came forth as the best of our nation and shouldered the responsibility of petitioning our representatives to protect our elections and ensure that our vote was clean and legal and the election open and transparent. They gathered in hopes of preserving our Republic for all Americans.
In my humble opinion this reads largely like propaganda for what was certainly not a gathering of "good and decent people". Take Robert Keith Packer for one, who proudly wore his "Camp Auschwitz" shirt to the rally

https://forward.com/fast-forward/461617 ... isemitism/

Take the two pipe bombs that were planted out front of the RNC and DNC

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-pos ... d=75126041

Take the multiple references to the holocaust, racial slurs, etc. that appeared on livestreams of the event. Bullshit these are "good people"
sprintcyclist wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:30 am
The over half million rallied as they have done for the last decade. They were of good spirits and positive despite the abuses, threats and violence inflicted on them over the last decade. They are the best of America in so many ways. The DC mayor removed the hundreds of portable bathrooms during the night from around the Washington Monument. The restaurants were shut down and the food truck vendors were banned. She acted in ways that are indefensible for a mayor to treat Americans depraving them of access to bathrooms, food and water. The weather was sub-freezing with a strong north west wind of 20 mph and gusty. The grounds were soggy and the cold crept through the moist grounds through shoes and socks after 6 hours of standing out in the elements, but throughout all of this, the crowd remained in good spirits.
The threats and abuses hurled at them? I call that 1A rights, personally. I haven't heard of the DC mayor's actions, but If you could provide a source that would be appriciated. Either way, I encourage you to look at the 1968 DNC protests and realise that these isssues are both Bipartisan and go back a long way into history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Demo ... n_protests

I do agree however that the protestors who were at that point peaceful should have been adequately prepared and catered for, provided you can prove it to have happened.
sprintcyclist wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:30 am
President Trump was masterful in presenting the case of massive coordinated voter fraud on an epic historic scale throughout the nation and in particular, in the 6 contested states. The evidence was compelling and irrefutable. It reminded all of the efforts by the major media organs and the social media platforms to suppress, shutdown and censored the fact and evidenced from ever reaching the light of day. At the end, the president asked the faithful to present themselves to the Capital peacefully. We are and have always been law abiding and supporters of police, so there was no issue about the right to petition our representatives on the matter of protecting our vote and the results of the 2020 election. WE looked restoration of the vote of millions of legal voters.
You're a bonafide Goebbels with how you make Trump sound here... If the evidence was so irrefutable, I'm certain one of the courts would have loved to have heard it. Instead, they called it "Frankenstein's Monster" becayuse of how poorly it was cobbled together.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN2810WR

again, voter fraud is probably a different topic, but one I'm happy to address elsewhere. I'm sure the cop who died as a result of the actions of trump supporters will love to hear that you always supported police. As will the black police officer who was chased through the halls:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/10/poli ... index.html

As will all the other cops who heard the calls to "kill all... cops", amoungst "n*ggers" and "jews" in the livestreams

https://forward.com/news/461577/g-d-ble ... -storm-us/
sprintcyclist wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:30 am
The violence and mayhem that occurred was not connected in any way to President Trump or the patriots that assembled. As Chairman of the Virginia Tea Party, I condemn lawlessness and violence that occurred at the Capital as I have condemned the violence, looting, arson, assaulting, killing that our nation suffered through all last year by the left-wing hate groups like Antifa and BLM.
Wasn't it? I thought all the trump memorbilia, Trump flags, MAGA hats, and the like might have said otherwise...
sprintcyclist wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:30 am
So we who assembled for this DC Stop the Steal MAGA rally are proud of our participation and involvement and condemned the incidents of violence that distracted from our good faith effort to protect the voting rights of all Americans and to seek restoration of the millions of legal votes that were negated in the voting fraud operations conducted and orchestrated by the democrats.

No regrets from the many who attended. I applaud all those peaceful and conscientious patriots that gathered on Wednesday and I am proud to be counted among the faithful who stood that day before our President and our Congress. I was honored to be able to help bring a group from my area and neither they nor I ever regretted that decision to come to DC and make a stand for our Republic.
Participation in democracy should always be rewarded, and all peaceful protestors should be heard. But I don't believe you can so easily sepparate yourself from the violence. Again, I don't believe the election was stolen, neither do the courts, but I respect your right to believe that it was.

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Re: Trump supporters storm the white house

Post by neverforget7/11 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:30 pm

Finally, I little talk about the my moniker.

Before posting, I had a look at the board to try and establish the viewpoints seen. It seems to run from far right wing all teh way to a centrist/liberal perspective. I don't fit in that spectrum, I am staunchly left-wing and disagree with almost everything stated on this board in one way or another, so I knew I would be 'shaking things up'. I wanted to have a name that would stir discussion immediately and give me a jumping off point to introduce myself and a point that I was originally hoping to first post on, before the capital riots happened. What is that point, you ask? That Donald Trump was not a good person before he got elected, not after, and never has been. I wanted to create a moral challenge for some of the posts that I was starting to see around the place, that Trump had 'lost the plot', etc. There were a couple such posts in this very thread.

Trump hasn't lost the plot, he has always been soft on right wing rioters. He has failed to condemn their actions time and time again, only doing so now considering the whispers of legal action against him, even after the murderof Heather Heyer in 2016. The problem is that those riots are atouch too devisive. Many of you support them and it wouldn't relly feed into my point. I needed a fulcrum that transcended party lines, something so sacred that no one could defend it. Firstly, I had considered the multiple rape allegations, calls for innocent children to die, Trump's very close friendship with Jeffery Epstien, and many others, but they weren't a simple matter of record like I needed. I wanted an open and shut case that forced some of you to question the morality of supporting Donald Trump.

Donald Trump's repeated offensive comments about the 9/11 attacks provided that for me.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoy ... be7c358361

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 289053001/

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trum ... ?r=US&IR=T

These are three articles I have linked earlier in the thread showing a repeated use of the attacks as a political tool, including blatant lies.

Most heinous I believe is the last article, which discusses how Trump's very first public response to the attacks was to falsely boast about how he now owned the tallest building in New York. What do you call that? distasteful? disrespectful? I wonder what word the families of the 2,606 dead Americans might use.

Conservatives have long spoken to how sacred that day was, and how it should not be disrespected, and should not be forgotten. I think it is curious, then, that somany of them vocally supported a man who gave the day so little thought he mixed it up in his mind with a convenience store.

https://www.youtube.com/watch/aj_IsiMA4G4

In my mind, it is in defensible. I hope at the very least it gives some of you Trump doubters the perspective to understand that the signs were always there, and that you wilfully ignored them.

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Re: Trump supporters storm the white house

Post by PhoenixFromTheAshes » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:25 am

Do you always post disjointed novels in every post?

If you would learn to subordinate your thoughts and post each one individually, you would get more responses.

No one is going to read all that, let alone view all those vids.
Most of us have responsibilities and limited time.

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Re: Trump supporters storm the white house

Post by neverforget7/11 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:40 am

PhoenixFromTheAshes wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:25 am
Do you always post disjointed novels in every post?

If you would learn to subordinate your thoughts and post each one individually, you would get more responses.

No one is going to read all that, let alone view all those vids.
Most of us have responsibilities and limited time.
Yeah mate really sorry I tried to debate in this debate board it won't happen again. From now on I'll spew out meaningless unsupported opinions like I should.

Like I told BO, if you don't have time to respond properly, you don't have time to respond, meaning I'm gonna have sources and thought out arguments. Thats the philosophy I'm gonna take to all of this.

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Re: Trump supporters storm the white house

Post by Nicole » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:25 pm

PhoenixFromTheAshes wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:25 am
Do you always post disjointed novels in every post?

If you would learn to subordinate your thoughts and post each one individually, you would get more responses.

No one is going to read all that, let alone view all those vids.
Most of us have responsibilities and limited time.
The best posters I have ever seen on these boards, in all the years I have been using them, are The4thEstate, Bogan, and Herbert. The4thEstate, Bogan, and to a lesser extent, Herbert, could write 1000's of words where it was required.

They were all right wing though, so I'm presuming it's ok with you?

It's a DEBATE board. You're supposed to debate points. If you don't like it, fuck off and read TV Week.

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Re: Trump supporters storm the white house

Post by Black Orchid » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:32 pm

BR can write 1.000s of words too and it's all self aggrandizing virtue signalling BS.

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Re: Trump supporters storm the white house

Post by neverforget7/11 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:28 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:32 pm
BR can write 1.000s of words too and it's all self aggrandizing virtue signalling BS.
No clue who BR is but I'm not sure it's relevant either. Can you tell me where I 'self-aggrandize' or write 'virtue signalling BS'?

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Re: Trump supporters storm the white house

Post by Black Orchid » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:17 pm

neverforget7/11 wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:28 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:32 pm
BR can write 1.000s of words too and it's all self aggrandizing virtue signalling BS.
No clue who BR is but I'm not sure it's relevant either. Can you tell me where I 'self-aggrandize' or write 'virtue signalling BS'?
It's as relevant as the post I was responding to and if you're not BR it wasn't about you so don't worry about it.

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Re: Trump supporters storm the white house

Post by sprintcyclist » Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:30 pm

neverforget7/11 wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:02 pm
This is just a quick little thank you to both Redneck and Nom De Plume for welcoming me to the board. I'm hoping I can stick around to lend my perspective on a whole heap of issues. At the moment I'm itching to talk about Trump being banned from Twitter, as well as maybe retroactively discussing any election fraud or the coronavirus.

Here's my current slate of posts to write:
1. A response to Texan
2. A post explaining my moniker so we don't keep going around in circles
3. Trump getting banned from twitter (new thread)
Good to meet you Neverforget.

Yes, Trump getting banned from twitter was a terrible thing.
He should have a gold statue made of him
Right Wing is the Natural Progression.

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Re: Trump supporters storm the white house

Post by neverforget7/11 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:07 pm

sprintcyclist wrote:
Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:30 pm
Good to meet you Neverforget.

Yes, Trump getting banned from twitter was a terrible thing.
He should have a gold statue made of him
Yeah good to meet you too Sprint, but I'm not so sure about the statue part

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