Are we heading for war with China?

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by brian ross » Sat May 09, 2020 5:22 pm

Do we really need three posts exactly the same,4E? :roll :roll
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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by Black Orchid » Sat May 09, 2020 5:33 pm

Brian said ...
I know most of the academics who study this stuff. None of the serious ones are worried in the slightest.
Proof of this thank you.

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by northofnorth » Sat May 09, 2020 5:39 pm

brian ross wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 5:22 pm
Do we really need three posts exactly the same,4E? :roll :roll
Gawd! You're one hell of a pedantic old fella!

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by DreamRyder » Tue May 12, 2020 10:16 am

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..............................Calls for Invasion of Taiwan Grow



◆ Loud calls on social media urge Beijing to strike while world is busy with coronavirus crisis, but observers say the authorities do not want to be rushed

◆ A recent article in an influential Communist Party journal drew on parallels with the 17th century conquest of the island to highlight need for patience




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Source: SCMP

Beijing is trying to calm rising nationalist sentiment after a growing chorus of voices called for China to take advantage of the Covid-19 pandemic by invading Taiwan.

A number of commentators on social media have called for the island to be reunified by force – something Beijing has never ruled out – but some analysts say the authorities want to play a longer game and are now trying to cool the “nationalist fever”.

An article published earlier in the month in the magazine of the Central Party School, which trains senior officials, drew historical parallels with the Qing dynasty’s conquest of the island in the 17th century to highlight the importance of patience and careful planning.

The Qing, who came from Manchuria, seized power in Beijing and northern China in 1644 and gradually consolidated their control over the Chinese mainland in the following decades.

But the last remnants of the defeated Ming dynasty fled to Taiwan in 1662 and expelled the Dutch colonists.

The 5,000-word article in Study Times, written by historian Deng Tao, said the Qing had spent the next 20 years preparing for the invasion and conquest of the island and argued that they had also used political, diplomatic and economic measures to achieve their goal rather than just relying on force.

Deng said the Qing had managed to isolate the island’s rulers diplomatically and sent representatives to the island to court support among its Han Chinese residents by offering them incentives to return to the mainland and escape the heavy taxes imposed by their rulers.

In the meantime, the Kangxi emperor had been building up and training an invasion fleet that successfully took the island in 1683 and incorporated it into the Qing empire.

Recently a number of commentators and retired military commanders have called for Beijing to retake control of the island, where the defeated Nationalist forces fled in 1949 following their defeat in the civil war.

Some former military leaders have argued that the United States – which is bound by law to help the Taiwanese government defend itself – is presently unable to do so because all four of its aircraft carriers in the Pacific have been affected by the Covid-19 outbreak.

Some legal commentators, including Tian Feilong, an associate professor at Beihang University, in Beijing, have called on the government to consider the use of force and argued that an “anti-secession” law ratified in 2005 gave it the legal authority to do so.

Tian argued in an article published on the news website Guancha.cn that political and social developments on the island meant it was impossible to resolve the situation peacefully and said anti-government protests in Hong Kong showed that the “one country, two systems model” – which Beijing hoped to use as the basis for reunification with Taiwan – had failed.

Official communications between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait have been frozen since 2016, when Tsai Ing-wen, from the independence-leaning Democratic Progressive Party, was elected as Taiwanese president and rejected the one-China model as the basis for relations.

But in a separate article published on the social media platform WeChat, Qiao Liang, a retired air force major general who is seen as a hawkish voice on the mainland, argued that now was not the right time to take Taiwan by force..........continued


IMHO ..... The full might & power of the United States of America should be brought to bear if those squint-eyed, covid-19 virus transmitters (The Chinese Virus), aggressively floats one ship towards Taiwan..........period ....... full stop ........ end of story!

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by Black Orchid » Tue May 12, 2020 12:21 pm

In China's eyes now would probably be the time for them to move. China is getting a bit cranky and hopes the world is distracted by the pandemic. It doesn't like its authoritah questioned.
OTTAWA - China responded sternly Monday to efforts by Canada and its allies to allow Taiwan access to the World Health Organization, telling the coalition of countries to essentially butt out of its internal affairs.

Canada, Australia, France, Germany, New Zealand, Britain, Japan and the U.S. have called on the WHO to give Taiwan observer status at an upcoming meeting of the organization set for next week.

Taiwan had early success in controlling the outbreak of COVID-19, and Foreign Affairs Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne has told The Canadian Press that Taiwan's presence as a non-state observer in the World Health Assembly meetings next week would help the pandemic fight.

The move is politically sensitive for Canada because it is in its own dispute with China over what it calls the “arbitrary” imprisonment of Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor.

The issue clearly touched a nerve Monday in Beijing, where the spokesman for China's foreign ministry was asked whether New Zealand - one of Monday's signatories - had received assurances from China's leaders that they would not push back against its efforts.

“China deplores and opposes them and has lodged representations with the New Zealand side,” said spokesman Zhao Lijian in an English transcript of his remarks posted on his ministry's website.
https://www.cp24.com/news/china-pushes- ... -1.4934740

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by sprintcyclist » Tue May 12, 2020 7:44 pm

Hopefully the world is realising what a bully china is
Right Wing is the Natural Progression.

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by The4thEstate » Wed May 13, 2020 1:21 pm

brian ross wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 5:22 pm
Do we really need three posts exactly the same,4E? :roll :roll
I notice you couldn't muster up a counterargument to any of them!

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by Black Orchid » Wed May 13, 2020 1:33 pm

The4thEstate wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:21 pm
brian ross wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 5:22 pm
Do we really need three posts exactly the same,4E? :roll :roll
I notice you couldn't muster up a counterargument to any of them!

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Did you expect one? lol

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by The4thEstate » Wed May 13, 2020 1:34 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:33 pm
The4thEstate wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:21 pm
brian ross wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 5:22 pm
Do we really need three posts exactly the same,4E? :roll :roll
I notice you couldn't muster up a counterargument to any of them!

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Did you expect one? lol
As much as I expect a giant furball to rise in the east and set in the west.

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by brian ross » Wed May 13, 2020 1:35 pm

The4thEstate wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 1:21 pm
brian ross wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 5:22 pm
Do we really need three posts exactly the same,4E? :roll :roll
I notice you couldn't muster up a counterargument to any of them!
Was it worth my time? I don't think so, 4E. You live in your own fantasy world and you're protected there. :rofl
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