Are we heading for war with China?

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by The4thEstate » Wed May 06, 2020 9:55 pm

brian ross wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 8:51 pm
Nothing substantial to say then, 4E? :roll :roll :roll
Well, let's examine what you consider "substantial."
brian ross wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 8:51 pm
I know most of the academics who study this stuff. None of the serious ones are worried in the slightest. China can threaten the US Navy in the Western Pacific. It cannot threaten Australia.
Apparently that sentiment is not as universal as you contend, according to this November 2019 story:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/28/worl ... -zhao.html
Fears of Chinese interference once seemed to hover indistinctly over Australia. Now, Beijing’s political ambitions, and the espionage operations that further them, suddenly feel local, concrete and ever-present.

“It’s become the inescapable issue,” said Hugh White, a former intelligence official who teaches strategic studies at the Australian National University. “We’ve underestimated how quickly China’s power has grown along with its ambition to use that power.”

American officials often describe Australia as a test case, the ally close enough to Beijing to see what could be coming for others.

In public and in private, they’ve pushed Australia’s leaders to confront China more directly — pressure that may only grow after President Trump signed legislation to impose sanctions on Chinese and Hong Kong officials over human rights abuses in Hong Kong ...

Fears of Chinese interference once seemed to hover indistinctly over Australia. Now, Beijing’s political ambitions, and the espionage operations that further them, suddenly feel local, concrete and ever-present.

“It’s become the inescapable issue,” said Hugh White, a former intelligence official who teaches strategic studies at the Australian National University. “We’ve underestimated how quickly China’s power has grown along with its ambition to use that power.”

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by brian ross » Wed May 06, 2020 10:12 pm

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One does not equal many, 4E. Hugh White is a non-entity. He is not amongst the senior ranks of academia. Get back when you've found someone senior... :roll :roll
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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by Black Orchid » Thu May 07, 2020 7:33 am

Nothing substantial to say Brian tsk tsk :roll:

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by northofnorth » Thu May 07, 2020 8:37 am

brian ross wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 10:12 pm
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One does not equal many, 4E. Hugh White is a non-entity. He is not amongst the senior ranks of academia. Get back when you've found someone senior... :roll :roll
Guess yer juss too old to care no more!

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by brian ross » Thu May 07, 2020 12:22 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 7:33 am
Nothing substantial to say Brian tsk tsk :roll:
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When are you moving to America, Black Orchid? :roll
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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by brian ross » Thu May 07, 2020 12:23 pm

northofnorth wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 8:37 am
brian ross wrote:
Wed May 06, 2020 10:12 pm
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One does not equal many, 4E. Hugh White is a non-entity. He is not amongst the senior ranks of academia. Get back when you've found someone senior... :roll :roll
Guess yer juss too old to care no more!
Oh, I care. I'm just more subtle about it. :roll
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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by Black Orchid » Thu May 07, 2020 12:26 pm

brian ross wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 12:22 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 7:33 am
Nothing substantial to say Brian tsk tsk :roll:
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When are you moving to America, Black Orchid? :roll
When are you moving to China or the Middle East? Nothing substantial to add I see.

How about using the smaller yawn emotes I put in the Smilies thread for you? Those huge ones are silly.

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by brian ross » Thu May 07, 2020 1:12 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 12:26 pm
brian ross wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 12:22 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 7:33 am
Nothing substantial to say Brian tsk tsk :roll:
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When are you moving to America, Black Orchid? :roll
When are you moving to China or the Middle East? Nothing substantial to add I see.

How about using the smaller yawn emotes I put in the Smilies thread for you? Those huge ones are silly.

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I wasn't aware of it. Thanks.

The large ones are effective. They demonstrate how bored I am by your comments, Black Orchid. They are not a load on the server 'cause they are hosted elsewhere. :Hi
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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by Black Orchid » Thu May 07, 2020 1:23 pm

brian ross wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 1:12 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 12:26 pm
brian ross wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 12:22 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 7:33 am
Nothing substantial to say Brian tsk tsk :roll:
Image

When are you moving to America, Black Orchid? :roll
When are you moving to China or the Middle East? Nothing substantial to add I see.

How about using the smaller yawn emotes I put in the Smilies thread for you? Those huge ones are silly.

Image
I wasn't aware of it. Thanks.

The large ones are effective. They demonstrate how bored I am by your comments, Black Orchid. They are not a load on the server 'cause they are hosted elsewhere. :Hi
Then perhaps deleting them will show you how bored I am with your petulance. :hi2

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by brian ross » Thu May 07, 2020 1:24 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 1:23 pm
brian ross wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 1:12 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 12:26 pm
brian ross wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 12:22 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 7:33 am
Nothing substantial to say Brian tsk tsk :roll:
Image

When are you moving to America, Black Orchid? :roll
When are you moving to China or the Middle East? Nothing substantial to add I see.

How about using the smaller yawn emotes I put in the Smilies thread for you? Those huge ones are silly.

Image
I wasn't aware of it. Thanks.

The large ones are effective. They demonstrate how bored I am by your comments, Black Orchid. They are not a load on the server 'cause they are hosted elsewhere. :Hi
Then perhaps deleting them will show you how bored I am with your petulance. :hi2
Petulance? Where? I think you need a new dictionary, Black Orchid. A simply disagreement is not being "petulant". ::) ::)
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