Should we be providing for foreign nationals on temporary visas?

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Should we be providing for foreign nationals on temporary visas?

Post by Black Orchid » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:35 am

“We are all in this together,” prime minister Scott Morrison intoned solemnly to parliament, as he outlined Australia’s response to the global Covid-19 pandemic. “We are charting the road through. We are all in.”

Some, however, are more “in” than others.

Far from being the great leveller it is asserted to be, Covid-19 has laid bare – as if it needed further exposition – the structural inequalities that exist in contemporary Australia.

Those who are in Australia temporarily – to study, to work, to pick fruit, to be protected from persecution – have had their second-class status brutally exposed by the extremis of Covid-19.

As the government has rolled out massive and unprecedented rescue packages for jobs and businesses – $214bn and counting – for those in Australia on temporary visas there is no safety net at all.

Many work in jobs and industries severely affected by shutdowns. They have lost jobs in their tens of thousands. But they are excluded from all government support measures, including the centrepiece jobkeeper wage subsidy and jobseeker welfare payments.

As the Covid-19 pandemic wreaks its devastation across the world, they face the very real prospect of destitution, of being left homeless, of not having enough to eat.

That they don’t vote is too simplistic an argument, their treatment reflects a more fundamental conception in Australia that people temporarily in the country – who live among Australian citizens as neighbours, work alongside them as colleagues, catch the bus as fellow commuters, and pay taxes as fellow contributors – are somehow less deserving of the country’s protection.

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The government argues that in constructing its rescue packages for the Australian economy it “had to draw the line somewhere”.

But who are its people? Who are the people the government should care for and consider its own? Australia’s government has chosen to define that narrowly – as citizens and permanent residents. It has consciously decided that those in Australia on temporary visas are undeserving of support.
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Socialist rubbish. Asylum seekers are already receiving welfare payments and those here to study should be supported by their own governments, wherever they hail from.

Common sense and reality goes out the window with socialism.

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Re: Should we be providing for foreign nationals on temporary visas?

Post by billy the kid » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:52 am

Backpackers are glorified tourists...
They pick fruit etc...simply because...they have no money...
Students from overseas...a mate of mine once worked at Bond University...he often said that
the overseas students...mainly Chinese gave the appearance of dripping in wealth...
Asylum seekers are simply economic wanderers searching for a sucker government to support
them when they leave their own shithole country....
The common denominator for all of them is that they are not Australian....
They are all here simply seeking an advantage which they cant secure in their own country...
They can all fuck off...….
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Re: Should we be providing for foreign nationals on temporary visas?

Post by sprintcyclist » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:53 am

He has sort of answered many of his own questions.
............... The government argues that in constructing its rescue packages for the Australian economy it “had to draw the line somewhere”.

But who are its people? Who are the people the government should care for and consider its own? .........................

Yes, we 'have to draw the line somewhere'. We can't support all of Asia or south america.

Australias people are those that hold an Australian passport or citizenship. They are Australians.
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Re: Should we be providing for foreign nationals on temporary visas?

Post by Juliar » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:21 am

Just think if the Union and Greeny controlled Labor Party had gotten in and RESTARTED the BOATS and illegally brought thousands of Devil Worshiping Heathen Illegal Invaders into Australia!!!!

All dripping with the Chinese COVID-19 Virus!!!!

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Re: Should we be providing for foreign nationals on temporary visas?

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Fri May 01, 2020 5:12 pm

Should we be providing for foreign nationals on temporary visas?
No, we should hold them to ransom on Christmas Island :twisted:
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Re: Should we be providing for foreign nationals on temporary visas?

Post by Valkie » Fri May 01, 2020 6:41 pm

Outlaw Yogi wrote:
Fri May 01, 2020 5:12 pm
Should we be providing for foreign nationals on temporary visas?
No, we should hold them to ransom on Christmas Island :twisted:
Send them home.
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Re: Should we be providing for foreign nationals on temporary visas?

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Sat May 02, 2020 12:19 pm

billy the kid wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:52 am
Backpackers are glorified tourists...
Tourists? Yes ... Glorified? No
A more accurate description would be 'el-cheapo tourists'.
Although the (working - organising farm work) hostels rob them blind - About $200+ for a bed in a dorm with access to a bathroom and kitchen. The smart ones buy a van and stay in the road side rest areas.
In Bundy, where there are dozens of working hostels, back-packers were blamed by locals for taking the work. In reality Bundy is a regional city full of people who won't work - 65% of population on welfare.
"Bash a back-packer" became such a Friday night sport outside venues its reputation got in the travel mags and was avoided for a few years, so the council got the cops to clean it up.

billy the kid wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:52 am
They pick fruit etc...simply because...they have no money...
Incorrect. I pick fruit, so I know their game.
They must have a minimum $5k in the bank to get in the country. The ones who don't have it get their parents to put the money in their account, and send it back when they get here.
Most of these back packers (especially the Europeans) are uni students who've never had a job, let alone done manual labour, so it's hard for most of them. They don't do it for the shit money, they do it for the 2nd year extension on their visas - minimum 88 days/3 months.

billy the kid wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:52 am
Students from overseas...a mate of mine once worked at Bond University...he often said that
the overseas students...mainly Chinese gave the appearance of dripping in wealth...
He's (your mate) probably right, but I'm yet to see a Chinese back packer (except from Malaysia) yet.
The English, Irish and Japanese are piss-weak. The Koreans, Estonians and Argentinians are much tougher - work wise.
Heaps of the Euro males are effeminate - probably gay.
billy the kid wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:52 am
Asylum seekers are simply economic wanderers searching for a sucker government to support
them when they leave their own shithole country....
The common denominator for all of them is that they are not Australian....
They are all here simply seeking an advantage which they cant secure in their own country...
They can all fuck off...….
Agreed.
If Donald Trump is so close to the Ruskis, why couldn't he get Vladimir Putin to put novichok in Xi Jjinping's lipstick?

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Re: Should we be providing for foreign nationals on temporary visas?

Post by billy the kid » Sat May 02, 2020 12:36 pm

Outlaw Yogi wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 12:19 pm
billy the kid wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:52 am
Backpackers are glorified tourists...
Tourists? Yes ... Glorified? No
A more accurate description would be 'el-cheapo tourists'.
Although the (working - organising farm work) hostels rob them blind - About $200+ for a bed in a dorm with access to a bathroom and kitchen. The smart ones buy a van and stay in the road side rest areas.
In Bundy, where there are dozens of working hostels, back-packers were blamed by locals for taking the work. In reality Bundy is a regional city full of people who won't work - 65% of population on welfare.
"Bash a back-packer" became such a Friday night sport outside venues its reputation got in the travel mags and was avoided for a few years, so the council got the cops to clean it up.

billy the kid wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:52 am
They pick fruit etc...simply because...they have no money...
Incorrect. I pick fruit, so I know their game.
They must have a minimum $5k in the bank to get in the country. The ones who don't have it get their parents to put the money in their account, and send it back when they get here.
Most of these back packers (especially the Europeans) are uni students who've never had a job, let alone done manual labour, so it's hard for most of them. They don't do it for the shit money, they do it for the 2nd year extension on their visas - minimum 88 days/3 months.

billy the kid wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:52 am
Students from overseas...a mate of mine once worked at Bond University...he often said that
the overseas students...mainly Chinese gave the appearance of dripping in wealth...
He's (your mate) probably right, but I'm yet to see a Chinese back packer (except from Malaysia) yet.
The English, Irish and Japanese are piss-weak. The Koreans, Estonians and Argentinians are much tougher - work wise.
Heaps of the Euro males are effeminate - probably gay.
billy the kid wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:52 am
Asylum seekers are simply economic wanderers searching for a sucker government to support
them when they leave their own shithole country....
The common denominator for all of them is that they are not Australian....
They are all here simply seeking an advantage which they cant secure in their own country...
They can all fuck off...….
Agreed.
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Good post...
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