Are we heading for war with China?

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by brian ross » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:20 pm

Bobby wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:33 pm
brian ross wrote:
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Bobby wrote:
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brian ross wrote:
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Redneck wrote:
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Are we heading for war with China?

NO !!!!
I wasn't aware the Bobby believes Australia was an American state. The USA is not (thank goodness) Australia. What el Presidentie Trump does in the relations between the USA and the PRC is their affair, Bobby. Not even Trump is so lunatic as to go to war with China (I hope). :rofl :rofl
You hope?
China is looking with greedy eyes at Taiwan.
Again, another country that is not really a concern of Canberra's. China has been looking with greedy eyes at Taiwan for over 50 years, Bobby. Still not likely to invade. Tsk, tsk. :roll
Will you leave this forum if China invades Taiwan?
Why should I?

Will you leave if China doesn't invade Taiwan in say, six month, Bobby? :roll
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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by Bobby » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:56 pm

brian ross wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:20 pm

Why should I?

Will you leave if China doesn't invade Taiwan in say, six month, Bobby? :roll

No - I'll stay here and just predict that it's 6 months further down the road -
I can't lose.
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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by brian ross » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:53 pm

Bobby wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:56 pm
brian ross wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:20 pm

Why should I?

Will you leave if China doesn't invade Taiwan in say, six month, Bobby? :roll

No - I'll stay here and just predict that it's 6 months further down the road -
I can't lose.
:lol:
So, you don't even believe the lies you post? :roll :roll
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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by Bobby » Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:26 pm

brian ross wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:53 pm
Bobby wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:56 pm
brian ross wrote:
Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:20 pm

Why should I?

Will you leave if China doesn't invade Taiwan in say, six month, Bobby? :roll

No - I'll stay here and just predict that it's 6 months further down the road -
I can't lose.
:lol:
So, you don't even believe the lies you post? :roll :roll

If China can't win the economic war they'll try a military war.
Taiwan is at the top of their list.

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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by Nom De Plume » Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:01 pm

Actually, given that oil went into negative values today, it is a possibility...
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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by Nom De Plume » Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:37 pm

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/ ... handle-it/

And now, that dollar is in crisis. We are referring, here, not so much to America’s domestic financial crisis (although the monetisation of U.S. debt is connected to threat to the global system), but rather, how the international trading system is poised to blow apart, with grave consequences for everyone.
In other words, Covid-19 may be the trigger, but it is the U.S. dollar – as President Putin has long warned – that is the root problem:
“We’re looking at a commodity-price collapse and a collapse in global trade unlike anything we’ve seen since the 1930s”, said Ken Rogoff, the former chief economist of the IMF, now at Harvard University. An avalanche of government-debt crises is sure to follow, he said, and “the system just can’t handle this many defaults and restructurings at the same time”.
“It’s a little bit like going to the hospitals and they can handle a certain number of Covid-19 patients but they can’t handle them – all at once”, he added.
More than 90 countries have inquired about bailouts from the IMF—nearly half the world’s nations—while at least 60 have sought to avail themselves of World Bank programs. The two institutions together [only] have resources of up to $1.2 trillion”.

Just to be clear, this amount is not nearly sufficient. Rogoff is saying that $1.2 trillion is a drop in the ocean – for what lies ahead. The health of the global economy thus has attenuated down to a race between dollars flooding out of this ‘complex self-organising’ system amidst the coronavirus pandemic, versus the very limited resources of the IMF and World Bank to pump dollars in.
Simple? Just ramp up the dollar flow into system. But whoa there! This would mean the U.S. providing a flow of dollars sufficient to meet ‘rest of world’ needs – ‘during the biggest collapse since the 1930s’? There is $11.9 trillion of U.S. denominated debt out there alone, plus the dollar float required to finance day-to-day international trade (usually held as national, foreign exchange reserves).

That however, is only a fraction of the dollar-denominated debt ‘problem’, since a part of that debt takes the characteristics of a distinct ‘currency’ used in international trade, called Eurodollars. Mostly (but not exclusively), they present themselves as if ordinary dollars, but what distinguishes them is that they are overseas dollar deposits that exist outside of U.S. regulation, in one sense.
But which – in the other sense – they become the tools extending U.S. jurisdiction (think Treasury sanctions), across the globe, through the use of U.S. dollars, as its medium of trade. That is to say, this huge Eurodollar market serves Washington’s geo-political interests by enabling it to sanction the world. Hence, the Eurodollar market is a main tool to the U.S.’ covert ‘war’ against China and Russia.
Eurodollars just ‘emerged’, (initially) in Europe after WW2 (no-one is sure quite how), and they grew organically to huge size, by the European banking system simply electronically creating more of them. The Achilles’ Heel is that it lacks any Central Bank to supply it with liquid dollars, as and when, payments into the U.S. sphere are sucked out of it.
This happens especially in times of crisis, when there is flight to the onshore dollar. Oh, no. Oh yes: It’s another self-organising dynamic system that can only ‘grow’ under the right conditions, but will be prone to dynamic de-construction if too many dollars are withdrawn from it. And now, with the Covid-19 pandemic, the Eurodollar market is in a near panic for dollars: liquid dollars.
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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by Nom De Plume » Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:58 pm

So, just to be perfectly clear... for the benefit of BR... The global financial system is fucked, all manufacturing is fucked, the world is broke, fiat currency is worthless and the only way we know how to get out of this mess is to fight our way out of it!

With all your military knowledge, BR, I'm! surprised you cant see this coming!
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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by Nom De Plume » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:39 pm

Oh, and it will be the East [Russia and China] vs the West.
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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by brian ross » Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:32 am

Nom De Plume wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:58 pm
So, just to be perfectly clear... for the benefit of BR... The global financial system is fucked, all manufacturing is fucked, the world is broke, fiat currency is worthless and the only way we know how to get out of this mess is to fight our way out of it!

With all your military knowledge, BR, I'm! surprised you cant see this coming!
The world will weather it, Nom. The PRC is not in such a position that it can walk in and take over. :roll :roll
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Re: Are we heading for war with China?

Post by Nom De Plume » Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:18 am

brian ross wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:32 am
Nom De Plume wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:58 pm
So, just to be perfectly clear... for the benefit of BR... The global financial system is fucked, all manufacturing is fucked, the world is broke, fiat currency is worthless and the only way we know how to get out of this mess is to fight our way out of it!

With all your military knowledge, BR, I'm! surprised you cant see this coming!
The world will weather it, Nom. The PRC is not in such a position that it can walk in and take over. :roll :roll
HOW WILL WE WEATHER IT BR?

Don't just claim it... give reason to support your claim!
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