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Re: Chinese on NOTICE

Post by Redneck » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:43 am

cods wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:54 am
my own personal opinion of amerikas handling of this pandemic..

its one big balls up...

sorry but it is....

the States all want to run their own agendas whilst pointing at the Fed to blame for everything...

two many chiefs and not enough indians....

stop concentrating on the worst State look for the BESt and follow their lead..
I think the size of the country has a lot to do with it cods,300+ Million and I dont know if the President could order a total shutdown even if he wanted to. Its not like China where Big Brother rules totally.

I mean its easy for Australia with only six states and a couple of territories, to all work together but the US with 50 states is a whole different matter.

Trumps reluctance to take it seriously in the beginning has certainly delayed action being taken on it.

I think in Australia's case another thing is we are lucky as we have a large country which is not densely populated in most areas. I gather New York is the opposite densely populated, lots travelling by subway etc.

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Re: Chinese on NOTICE

Post by The4thEstate » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:28 am

cods wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:54 am
my own personal opinion of amerikas handling of this pandemic..

its one big balls up...

sorry but it is....

the States all want to run their own agendas whilst pointing at the Fed to blame for everything...

two many chiefs and not enough indians....

stop concentrating on the worst State look for the BESt and follow their lead..
Well, I actually think Trump is smart to let the states call their own shots when it comes to coping with the virus.

For one thing, a president isn't a dictator and shouldn't attempt to rule 50 states from an office in Washington, D.C. Besides, it isn't practical -- how exactly can anybody in the nation's capital have a better idea of what to do in Alaska or Wyoming than the governor of the state or the mayors of the individual cities?

More than anything, though, it's a wise political move -- because in this highly politicized day and age, Trump would get blamed for anything and everything that went wrong if he tried to tell each individual state how to handle the outbreak.

That's what damaged George W. Bush in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Having lived in Fort Wayne, Indiana, when it experienced the second-worst flood in its history in 1982, I can tell you that the federal government is never the first responder after a disaster. We were shocked and impressed when President Reagan dropped in to get a closer look, but nobody in Fort Wayne expected the feds to handle our flood response for us. Local high schools let out to allow kids to volunteer for sandbagging duty, and they responded by building a sandbag dike that saved an entire neighborhood.

But when the local response to Hurricane Katrina ineptly left New Orleans residents clinging to their roofs, the media blamed the slow response on Bush, even though the state and city governments had first responsibility for conducting rescue operations. Bush apparently thought a president should try to remain above it all instead of defending himself, but Trump would have been savvy enough to smirkingly tell the media, "Do you not understand that it's NEVER the federal government's responsibility to be the first responder? We only get involved after we're asked by the governor of the state. Got it now?"

I think Trump's doing much the same thing today: Avoiding the mistakes of Bush by not putting himself and his administration in a position to get blamed for everything that doesn't go perfectly. He's letting the governors and mayors handle their own turf, and especially in the case of Democrats, they can't lay it all on Trump if the virus ravages their states and cities.

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Re: Chinese on NOTICE

Post by The4thEstate » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:37 am

brian ross wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:09 pm
And of course the Subway's existence is due to the Democrats, 4E? :roll :roll
Did I say the New York subway was the Democrats' fault?

Let's review: We were pondering why the virus might be more devastating in major cities, and I said:
I would observe that these are major cities where people live, work and walk in crowded spaces. And how do you think many of them get to work? That's right -- in New York's case, they travel in a subway!

By all means, point out the subtle political jab in that last sentence.

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Post by brian ross » Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:36 am

No, we were reviewing why the Democrats are not responsible necessarily for the spread of COVID-19. You have decided it will be about something else. Tsk, tsk. :roll :roll
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Post by Black Orchid » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:38 pm

President Trump is the "right" leader for this time. And that is exactly why the left is trying to convince us otherwise.

The state of New York is in horrible condition fighting the China virus – but do you blame Gov. Cuomo for the situation? If not, then why blame Trump for the situation in the United States? The president did not bring the China virus to America.

Trump acted quickly with the information that was provided to the U.S. by China and the World Health Organization. China and WHO lied by omission. They withheld information until late January.

President Trump blocked travelers from China and Europe quickly, action over which Democrats fought him. Democrats called Trump a racist for blocking those travelers, but it proved to be the right thing to do despite Democratic objections.

The fact is that the first six hardest hit states were all states run by Democrats. New York, Washington, Illinois, New Jersey, California and Michigan. We need to understand how those Democrats put their states at more risk than other states, so that the virus is now spreading from those six Democrat-led states to the rest of the nation. Florida is now a mess because of the travelers from New York and New Jersey. The same is true about Texas with travelers from California.

https://www.wnd.com/2020/04/6-early-inf ... newsletter

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Re: Chinese on NOTICE

Post by Redneck » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:54 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:38 pm
President Trump is the "right" leader for this time. And that is exactly why the left is trying to convince us otherwise.

The state of New York is in horrible condition fighting the China virus – but do you blame Gov. Cuomo for the situation? If not, then why blame Trump for the situation in the United States? The president did not bring the China virus to America.

Trump acted quickly with the information that was provided to the U.S. by China and the World Health Organization. China and WHO lied by omission. They withheld information until late January.

President Trump blocked travelers from China and Europe quickly, action over which Democrats fought him. Democrats called Trump a racist for blocking those travelers, but it proved to be the right thing to do despite Democratic objections.

The fact is that the first six hardest hit states were all states run by Democrats. New York, Washington, Illinois, New Jersey, California and Michigan. We need to understand how those Democrats put their states at more risk than other states, so that the virus is now spreading from those six Democrat-led states to the rest of the nation. Florida is now a mess because of the travelers from New York and New Jersey. The same is true about Texas with travelers from California.

https://www.wnd.com/2020/04/6-early-inf ... newsletter
WND ?

Now that sounds like a real left wing Commie Publication.

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Re: Chinese on NOTICE

Post by Gordon » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:25 pm

Heard some interesting info, most likely the first infected people to arrive in the USA were asymptomatic and arrived a month before the first case was reported to the USA.

As I've said before, to lay this all at Trumps feet is a cop out.

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Re: Chinese on NOTICE

Post by Redneck » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:35 pm

Gordon wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:25 pm
Heard some interesting info, most likely the first infected people to arrive in the USA were asymptomatic and arrived a month before the first case was reported to the USA.

As I've said before, to lay this all at Trumps feet is a cop out.
You may be correct, I have no idea, unfortunately he hasnt helped matters with his silly unfounded comments!

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Re: Chinese on NOTICE

Post by Gordon » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:41 pm

Redneck wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:35 pm
Gordon wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:25 pm
Heard some interesting info, most likely the first infected people to arrive in the USA were asymptomatic and arrived a month before the first case was reported to the USA.

As I've said before, to lay this all at Trumps feet is a cop out.
You may be correct, I have no idea, unfortunately he hasnt helped matters with his silly unfounded comments!
He truly is being a dick but the likes of Pekkar saying 'Orange man made the virus', and the left wing media in USA laying the totality for this at his feet is just as bad.

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Re: Chinese on NOTICE

Post by Black Orchid » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:53 pm

Gordon wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:41 pm
Redneck wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:35 pm
Gordon wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:25 pm
Heard some interesting info, most likely the first infected people to arrive in the USA were asymptomatic and arrived a month before the first case was reported to the USA.

As I've said before, to lay this all at Trumps feet is a cop out.
You may be correct, I have no idea, unfortunately he hasnt helped matters with his silly unfounded comments!
He truly is being a dick but the likes of Pekkar saying 'Orange man made the virus', and the left wing media in USA laying the totality for this at his feet is just as bad.
No it's worse. Trump may make mistakes but at least he is trying to do the right thing and thinking of all Americans. The Democrats are only thinking of themselves by lying to their constituents and holding up the bills for small business. They are dangerous and their useful idiot shills are a cancer who are too stupid to educate themselves, as are most progs.


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