Poor old AnAl left out in the cold
Forum rules
Don't poop in these threads. This isn't Europe, okay? There are rules here!
Don't poop in these threads. This isn't Europe, okay? There are rules here!
-
- Posts: 1355
- Joined: Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:56 am
Poor old AnAl left out in the cold
ScoMo's cunning is showing up big time now as he leaves Labor out in the cold.
Christian Porter is looking really good in all this. This new Liberal team is certainly more effective than the old senior leadership group we got rid of at the last election. We dodged a bullet there.
As for AnAl, he looks totally lost doesn’t he?
Special mention too to Sally McManus. Another who has stepped up.
Christian Porter reduces Labor to nothing more than a middle man by dealing direct with ACTU’s Sally McManus
PETER VAN ONSELEN AN HOUR AGO APRIL 7, 2020
Leader of the Opposition Anthony Albanese with frontbenchers during Question Time in the House of Representatives. Picture: Gary Ramage
Cutting out the middle man. That is what Industrial Relations minister Christian Porter has done by going straight to the trade union movement to do a deal over the JobKeeper legislation.
Porter has reduced the Labor opposition to nothing more than a middle man between the government and trade union movement. Labor hasn’t been consulted, and it is driving them crazy.
While procedurally Porter really should have taken the time to brief and consult the opposition during this crisis, as a matter of courtesy — if only to ensure safe passage of the legislation and as a nod to our democratic institutions — he was under no obligation to do so.
And with the ACTU Secretary Sally McManus happy to deal with Porter directly, the approach taken has been the most simple and easy way to get a deal done.
Perhaps a sign of things to come post this crisis?
Secretary of the ACTU Sally McManus. Attorney-General Christian Porter.
Because let’s face it: even if Porter consulted with the Labor opposition directly, the shadow IR spokesman Tony Burke would need to go cap in hand to the ACTU for subsequent approval anyway.
Direct dialogue between Porter and McManus builds trust. Using Labor as a conduit likely creates distance and scepticism. Not necessarily because Labor would have played games by the way. Just because that’s politics unfortunately.
The alternative would have been for Porter to invite Labor into his negotiations with the unions, but that would have seen him outnumbered in his own negotiation. Stacking the odds against himself.
The fact the unions and the government were able to strike a late-night deal off the back of earlier good deal making has a number of significant consequences.
Firstly, it speaks to the magnitude of the challenge the coronavirus has created. Partisan differences were put to one side in the name of getting an acceptable outcome.
Second, it means Labor in parliament is wedged. They won’t be blocking the legislation, and even if they tried to do so it would rebound badly on them given the ACTU’s support.
Leader of the Opposition Anthony Albanese.
Third, a deal done now means that in the future there is the potential for deals to be done directly between the Coalition and the union movement. While business has long engaged constructively with unions — despite limited media attention of this fact — the Coalition has not. That’s because its political opponents are union affiliated.
Never waste a crisis is the old saying, and on this occasion Porter didn’t waste the opportunity to do a deal with the union movement. Equally, McManus didn’t let traditional differences in values and beliefs get in the road of doing what workers want and need.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commen ... 6b01d8a58a
Christian Porter is looking really good in all this. This new Liberal team is certainly more effective than the old senior leadership group we got rid of at the last election. We dodged a bullet there.
As for AnAl, he looks totally lost doesn’t he?
Special mention too to Sally McManus. Another who has stepped up.
Christian Porter reduces Labor to nothing more than a middle man by dealing direct with ACTU’s Sally McManus
PETER VAN ONSELEN AN HOUR AGO APRIL 7, 2020
Leader of the Opposition Anthony Albanese with frontbenchers during Question Time in the House of Representatives. Picture: Gary Ramage
Cutting out the middle man. That is what Industrial Relations minister Christian Porter has done by going straight to the trade union movement to do a deal over the JobKeeper legislation.
Porter has reduced the Labor opposition to nothing more than a middle man between the government and trade union movement. Labor hasn’t been consulted, and it is driving them crazy.
While procedurally Porter really should have taken the time to brief and consult the opposition during this crisis, as a matter of courtesy — if only to ensure safe passage of the legislation and as a nod to our democratic institutions — he was under no obligation to do so.
And with the ACTU Secretary Sally McManus happy to deal with Porter directly, the approach taken has been the most simple and easy way to get a deal done.
Perhaps a sign of things to come post this crisis?
Secretary of the ACTU Sally McManus. Attorney-General Christian Porter.
Because let’s face it: even if Porter consulted with the Labor opposition directly, the shadow IR spokesman Tony Burke would need to go cap in hand to the ACTU for subsequent approval anyway.
Direct dialogue between Porter and McManus builds trust. Using Labor as a conduit likely creates distance and scepticism. Not necessarily because Labor would have played games by the way. Just because that’s politics unfortunately.
The alternative would have been for Porter to invite Labor into his negotiations with the unions, but that would have seen him outnumbered in his own negotiation. Stacking the odds against himself.
The fact the unions and the government were able to strike a late-night deal off the back of earlier good deal making has a number of significant consequences.
Firstly, it speaks to the magnitude of the challenge the coronavirus has created. Partisan differences were put to one side in the name of getting an acceptable outcome.
Second, it means Labor in parliament is wedged. They won’t be blocking the legislation, and even if they tried to do so it would rebound badly on them given the ACTU’s support.
Leader of the Opposition Anthony Albanese.
Third, a deal done now means that in the future there is the potential for deals to be done directly between the Coalition and the union movement. While business has long engaged constructively with unions — despite limited media attention of this fact — the Coalition has not. That’s because its political opponents are union affiliated.
Never waste a crisis is the old saying, and on this occasion Porter didn’t waste the opportunity to do a deal with the union movement. Equally, McManus didn’t let traditional differences in values and beliefs get in the road of doing what workers want and need.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commen ... 6b01d8a58a
- Black Orchid
- Posts: 25688
- Joined: Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:10 am
Re: Poor old AnAl left out in the cold
To give Albo his due he wants amendments to some of the stimulus bills but said if they can't come to an agreement that he would vote them through anyway.
See, I'm not a rusted on and will give credit where credit is due no matter which side it is.
See, I'm not a rusted on and will give credit where credit is due no matter which side it is.
-
- Posts: 7007
- Joined: Wed May 07, 2008 11:26 pm
Re: Poor old AnAl left out in the cold
Yes.Black Orchid wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:53 pmTo give Albo his due he wants amendments to some of the stimulus bills but said if they can't come to an agreement that he would vote them through anyway.
See, I'm not a rusted on and will give credit where credit is due no matter which side it is.
Anthony is of the mindset to help Australia
Right Wing is the Natural Progression.
-
- Posts: 6433
- Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:52 am
Re: Poor old AnAl left out in the cold
I would have thought the labor members would have stepped up and maybe joined the ads regarding staying home and social distancing...
so far its only been TV celebs which is fine but as labor are almost invisible I am thinking if it was me i would be out there
showing my belief in what the govt is doing.....
people are still ignoring the rules....look now we have Easter can you see the morons all driving miles to their beach homes stopping on the way to use public toilets...or refreshment rooms... ... maybe at the local shop to buy fresh milk...... be interesting to see if we have the usual line of cars leaving the big smoke..
so far its only been TV celebs which is fine but as labor are almost invisible I am thinking if it was me i would be out there
showing my belief in what the govt is doing.....
people are still ignoring the rules....look now we have Easter can you see the morons all driving miles to their beach homes stopping on the way to use public toilets...or refreshment rooms... ... maybe at the local shop to buy fresh milk...... be interesting to see if we have the usual line of cars leaving the big smoke..
- billy the kid
- Posts: 5814
- Joined: Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:54 pm
Re: Poor old AnAl left out in the cold
Maybe instead of driving somewhere for easter, all the muppets should just go to church and praise god...and pray
for a vaccine to be created....
No wait....cant go to church....perhaps the godbotherers can just pray and sing their praise to the lord
in their own living rooms...…
Don't forget to say grace people, and thank the lord for everything he's given us.....
Yeah right...….
for a vaccine to be created....
No wait....cant go to church....perhaps the godbotherers can just pray and sing their praise to the lord
in their own living rooms...…
Don't forget to say grace people, and thank the lord for everything he's given us.....
Yeah right...….
To discover those who rule over you, first discover those who you cannot criticize...Voltaire
Its coming...the rest of the world versus islam....or is it here already...
Its coming...the rest of the world versus islam....or is it here already...
-
- Posts: 1355
- Joined: Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:56 am
Re: Poor old AnAl left out in the cold
You'all could also pray with Jimmy Swaggart via the internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKIaU2l ... eB&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKIaU2l ... eB&index=1
-
- Posts: 7007
- Joined: Wed May 07, 2008 11:26 pm
Re: Poor old AnAl left out in the cold
' .......... be interesting to see if we have the usual line of cars leaving the big smoke.. .......... 'cods wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:38 amI would have thought the labor members would have stepped up and maybe joined the ads regarding staying home and social distancing...
so far its only been TV celebs which is fine but as labor are almost invisible I am thinking if it was me i would be out there
showing my belief in what the govt is doing.....
people are still ignoring the rules....look now we have Easter can you see the morons all driving miles to their beach homes stopping on the way to use public toilets...or refreshment rooms... ... maybe at the local shop to buy fresh milk...... be interesting to see if we have the usual line of cars leaving the big smoke..
I had not thought of that.
If there is, could there be dozens of police giving out thousands of fines?
Right Wing is the Natural Progression.
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 79 guests