The Unions in Australia

[brian ross]

Well of course ... that's the Left wing method ... deny, lie and revise ... because to the Left everything is open to interpretation so must be subject/ed to propaganda. That's why (real/genuine) history isn't taught in public schools anymore, it's been replaced by communist revisionism.

You have no idea how history is created, do you, Yogi? To you, it just springs, fully formed from the bowels of officialdom and is never to be questioned, right?

Well you had to ask, so I'll oblige you by answering no matter how much it annoys you.
History is created by witnesses, full stop.

Not quite. Indeed, very few historians have lived what ever period they writing about. Indeed, there is no requirement to.

In reality, history is created and revised and re-revised by numerous historians all with their own little barrow that they push to prove some obscure point of their own.

Suppose I shouldn't be surprised a delusional partisan should mistake fantasy for reality, but on this planet the only ones obsessed with revising everything to push a victim barrow are Marxists and the guilty ... often one in the same.

Actually I've come across very few Marxist historians in the way you mean the word, Yogi. Marxist historians are ones who believe in purely economic drivers driving history. You seem to think that Marxist historians are followers of Marx. Do you mind if I ask which one? Harpo, Groucho or Harpo or Karl? There were actually five brothers, but I forget two of their names..

One example where the Marxists are not involved is the Turks concerning the Armenian genocide, but on the whole it is almost exclusively a Left wing past time.

Interesting that you ignore the neo-Nazis and the Holocaust. Then we have the Americans and Australians over settlement of their respective continents...

[Juliar]

One almost forgets this thread is about the heinous attrocities committed by union members.

BRossy is so keen to change the subject away from a true account given by actual witnesses.

[Juliar]

Now back on the TOPIC of the shocking traitorous attrocities committed by unionists during the war.


Unions are revolting

Strikes at the heart of a nation at war
By HAL G.P. COLEBATCH 12:00AM DECEMBER 13, 2014

AUSTRALIAN governments have a long record of allowing certain unions to get away with criminal behaviour, no matter, it seems, how thoroughly exposed that criminality is.

There is nothing new in the allegations of thuggery and blackmail, not to mention allegations of association with organised crime and terrorists that have come forward in the royal commission into union corruption.

In World War II, according to official statistics, about six million working days were lost directly through strikes in vital industries such as coalmines, munitions works and on the wharves.

With the country in a desperate situation, this was sheer blackmail, as some of those involved have openly admitted.

Though these strikes, and even sabotage, probably caused the deaths of many Australian servicemen, not one of those responsible appears to have been punished in any way.

The minister for labour and national service in the Curtin ALP government, Eddie Ward, who coined the description “four bob a day murderers” for Australian soldiers, was openly on the side of the strikers, and it was said Ward believed in no war but the class war (though it was the strikers’ own “class” — the ordinary servicemen — who tended to suffer most).

There are strong indications that the behaviour of the unions played a major part in the early death of Labor prime minister John Curtin.

Union blackmail was common. The Battle of Milne Bay was fought without heavy guns because watersiders refused to load them unless they were paid quadruple time. (American servicemen eventually shot the locks off the cranes and load fed them but they got there too late.)

“Danger” money was demanded for perfectly undangerous exercises, such as fitting guns on ships in harbour.

The coalfields, on which all industrial production depended, were on strike for months on end during all phases of the war, including the desperate days after Dunkirk.

When then prime minister Robert Menzies appealed to the strikers to return to work, he was pelted with missiles.

US aircraft were deliberately wrecked when being unloaded from ships, and vehicles dropped overboard by crane drivers.

According to the unit history Radar Yarns, other aircraft were lost, and 36 aircrew died, because watersiders had stolen the valves from the radar sets that should have guided them home.

Following the publication of my book Australia’s Secret War: How Unionists Sabotaged Our Troops in World War II, a history of wartime strikes, go-slows and sabotage in Australian strategic industries, I have received a number of other stories.

One chapter of my book dealt with the strikes at Darwin, before the war and in the early days of it, which were a major cause of Darwin’s defences being in poor shape when it was attacked by the Japanese in 1942.

With the waterfront on strike, service personnel were obliged to unload coal for the power station.

The unit history Let Enemies Beware: Caveat Hostes: The History of the 2/15 battalion 1940-45 by Ron Austin, published in 1995, has the following passage:

“An interesting anecdote relating to wartime security was related by Bandmaster Norman Henstridge. While at the PoW Cage at Benghazi, Norm was approached by a (German) Afrika Korps officer who said, ‘Good day, Norm. How are you going?’

“A startled Norm replied ‘Who the bloody Hell are you?’

“The officer replied: ‘Don’t you remember drinking with me at the Don Hotel in Darwin? Do you remember the wharfies’ strike when you blokes unloaded the coal boat? Well, I was the bloke who organised the strike!’ ”

The fact that an undercover ­officer of the Wehrmacht was one of the union leaders casts a sinister light on the behaviour of some ­watersiders.

Perhaps equally sinister was the story related by Malayan communist guerilla leader Chin Peng.

According to Chin Peng, Communist Party of Australia secretary Lawrence Sharkey boasted at a meeting of Asian communist leaders in Singapore that in Australia communists had murdered strikebreakers.

Chin Peng said: “The meeting eagerly awaited Sharkey’s news on strikebreakers and how his party handled them. Our visitor leaned back in his chair as the question, originally posed in Chinese, was translated into English.

“Pausing for a moment, Sharkey glanced along the row of Asian faces at the table and said bluntly, ‘We got rid of them.’

“Someone who spoke English followed up. He thought he might have misheard the response, which had been delivered in such a thick, slow Australian drawl.

“ ‘You mean you eliminate strikebreakers, Comrade … kill …?’

“Sharkey considered the question carefully. Then he said: ‘But not in the cities, only in the outlying areas. The rural areas. The mining areas.’

“Translated, Sharkey’s words sent a rush of reinforced fervour through our gathering … what he said was pivotal in its overall ­effect.”

This “overall effect” was a communist guerilla uprising.

Whether or not Sharkey was telling the truth, thousands were killed in the Malayan Emergency that followed.

Although I have no hard evidence for obvious reasons, fatal accidents would plainly have been easy to arrange in a number of dangerous areas.

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[brian ross]

Australia was never facing desperation WRT to WWII. The Japanese never intended to invade. The Germans and Italians were incapable of invading.

Despite what you appear to think and preach, Juliar, the reality of wartime Australia was rather different to how you portray matters. Tsk, tsk.

[Juliar]

The Greeny BRossy is in full denial and bulldust mode.

How would he know what the Japanese intended ?

As usual he is trying to protect his beloved unions by trying to change the subject.

His pathetic attempt to try to masquerade as a pseudo intellectual is laughable as he is just an indoctrinated Greeny fueled by GetUp! FAKE NEWS.

[brian ross]

The Greeny BRossy is in full denial and bulldust mode.

How would he know what the Japanese intended ?

Cause the Japanese lost and their archives of what they were thinking are well known?

His pathetic attempt to try to masquerade as a pseudo intellectual is laughable as he is just an indoctrinated Greeny fueled by GetUp! FAKE NEWS.

In comparison to your simplistic views on how Australian society has operated and continues to operate, I don't have to masquerade. Even Bogan doesn't have to masquerade.

[Bogan]

Brian Ross wrote

Australia was never facing desperation WRT to WWII.

Australia was indeed facing desperation. The very real threat of Japanese invasion was so strong that Curtin absolutely insisted that the three Divisions of the AIF (6th, 7th, 9th) fighting in the middle east return home to defend Australia. In those days, the idea that the Australian Army was crucial to the defence of Australia was widely held, as opposed to today where our bankrupt army has taken almost all of the casualties in our small wars since ww2, but is well at he back of the queue when it comes to getting the military equipment it needs to be a small, but at least a well equipped army.

Brian Ross wrote

The Japanese never intended to invade.

Not correct. The Japanese Navy wanted to invade Australia but the Japanese Army considered themselves to be over extended already. Nobody on the allied side knew that at the time. Churchill's reply to Curtin was that if Australia was lost to the Japanese, the British could win it back later. Such an attitude hardly made Churchill popular in Australia. That was why Australia turned away from Britain as our primary military ally and turned instead to the USA, who aided us in our time of greatest need, while socialist unionists stabbed our country in the back. FDR was himself criticised for sending US troops to Australia when the US itself thought it was under threat of Japanese invasion. FDR replied "we can not in all conscience, abandon Australia." Thank you, USA. We are your friends forever. Despite the best efforts of Brian Ross and his comrades.

Brian Ross wrote

The Germans and Italians were incapable of invading.

If it had not been for FDR breaking US law and transferring 50 "obsolete" ww1 destroyers to the Royal Navy at the time of the UK's time of greatest need, Britain would have lost the battle of the Atlantic and would have ben knocked out of the war through starvation. Hitler would have been able to transfer 100-200 Wehrmacht divisions to Russia and that could easily have seen Russia knocked right out of the war. By 1950, after winning the war in Europe and Russia, Nationalist Socialist Germany would have been strong enough to do whatever it damned well pleased, including invading Australia after demanding that Australia return PNG to German control.

In Britain, the unions were doing their best to sabotage Britain's fight for survival because both Russia and Germany were socialists and allies. Russia ordered the British unions to sabotage British industry and the unions gleefully complied. Some idea of how much this hurt the British war effort can be gleaned from the excellent book "The Secret War" by Gerald Pawle.

But I understand where you are coming from, Brian. Being a traitor yourself means defending the traitors who sold out Australia in our time of greatest need. And constantly attacking our greatest ally, the USA, is simply a continuation of your compulsive psychological need to sell out your own country and people.

[Juliar]

The Greeny BRossy and the Lefty Bogie Man are having another fireside chat about nothing really as they studiously avoid the real issue and mull and foment over erroneous accounts of events long past.

Basically they are in full DENY and Bulldust Mode as they try to change the subject to try to protect their precious unions.They are fooling nobody except themselves as they try unsuccessfully to try to masquerade as laughable pseudo-intellectuals.

Is it any surprise that NOBODY ever believes ANYTHING that oozes out of a GREENY or a LEFTY.

[brian ross]

Brian Ross wrote

Australia was never facing desperation WRT to WWII.

Australia was indeed facing desperation. The very real threat of Japanese invasion was so strong that Curtin absolutely insisted that the three Divisions of the AIF (6th, 7th, 9th) fighting in the middle east return home to defend Australia. In those days, the idea that the Australian Army was crucial to the defence of Australia was widely held, as opposed to today where our bankrupt army has taken almost all of the casualties in our small wars since ww2, but is well at he back of the queue when it comes to getting the military equipment it needs to be a small, but at least a well equipped army.

Well, cooler heads prevailed and Australia only received two of the three divisions overseas (the 9th was delayed until after second El Alamein), Even with the other two, Churchill attempted to divert them to Rangoon, while one brigade ended up in Java which was their original destination. Australia was never under direct threat. The Japanese made no move towards Australia. The closest they came was East Timor, a Portuguese colony which we invaded first, illegally. As for the Australian Army being bankrupt, I'll treat that comment with the contempt it deserves.

The Imperial Japanese Navy wanted to invade Australia. However, the Imperial Japanese Army was against it because they did not think the IJN had sufficient ships to protect and sustain any move against continental Australia. The IJN was suffering from what they called "victory disease" - too many victories, too easily. The decision was made instead to try and isolate us - another impossible dream.

Brian Ross wrote

The Japanese never intended to invade.

Not correct. The Japanese Navy wanted to invade Australia but the Japanese Army considered themselves to be over extended already. Nobody on the allied side knew that at the time. Churchill's reply to Curtin was that if Australia was lost to the Japanese, the British could win it back later. Such an attitude hardly made Churchill popular in Australia. That was why Australia turned away from Britain as our primary military ally and turned instead to the USA, who aided us in our time of greatest need, while socialist unionists stabbed our country in the back. FDR was himself criticised for sending US troops to Australia when the US itself thought it was under threat of Japanese invasion. FDR replied "we can not in all conscience, abandon Australia." Thank you, USA. We are your friends forever. Despite the best efforts of Brian Ross and his comrades.

Not quite. It was obvious the Japanese had a choice - China or Australia or the rest of Asia. They chose China. The Japanese did not have sufficient forces for all three. They did not have forces sufficient for an invasion of Hawaii or the west coast of the US. Particularly when you consider their original plan was to invade Siberia. Churchill was right - from a British perspective. The Allies could always take Australia back. The Japanese had to have forces to hold it, which they demonstrable did not.

But I understand where you are coming from, Brian. Being a traitor yourself means defending the traitors who sold out Australia in our time of greatest need. And constantly attacking our greatest ally, the USA, is simply a continuation of your compulsive psychological need to sell out your own country and people.

I am not a "traitor", Bogan. Nor are you. You just don't understand what was happening in 1941-2. Our "time of greatest need" was in the imaginations of Australia's leaders not in reality.

[Juliar]

The Greeny BRossy is STILL banging on trying to masquerade as a laughable pseudo-intellectual when all he is doing is avoiding the real issue and going into full DENY and Bulldust mode as he tries unsuccessfully to try to protect his precious unions.

Is it at all surprising that NOBODY ever believes ANYTHING that oozes out of a GREENY or a LEFTY ????