The Death Penalty should be reintroduced.

[Bogan]

Briney wrote

I have no desire to put them to death simply 'cause I disagree with them, Bogan.

That was not what I asked you, and you know it. You are side stepping your own hypocrisy about "tolerance" by refusing to answer a simple question examining your own degree of tolerance towards groups of people that you despise.

Briny wrote

You, OTOH, more than likely would want me and my, "lefty mates", done to death, now wouldn't you?

Brian, there were several European countries who had abolished the death penalty prior to WW2. But after the war was over, they condemned to death the traitors who had sold out their people to the national socialists. Dozens were shot or hanged. The populations of those countries considered that the crimes of the traitors were so appalling that nothing short of death would suffice for them to pay for their crimes. It simply goes to show that governments will reinstitute the death penalty if and when the overwhelming majority of own people demand it.

While I consider you and your comrades damned traitors, I don't think your crimes are bad enough to warrant the death penalty. We live in a democracy where even traitorous views like yours can be presented as reasoned arguments for examination by the populace as to whether their arguments are valid. It is for the populations of democracies to decide who is right or who is wrong.

If you wish to fly the red flag, or the Nazi flag, or the half moon green flag of Islam, go right ahead and make your political statement. That way other people can figure out where your true allegiances really are. But don't say to me it is OK to fly the red flag with the hammer and sickle, or the Muslim flag, but not the Nazi flag, the Confederate flag, the Eureka flag, or our present Australian flag. That would be intolerant and discriminatory.

[Juliar]

The Lunatic Extremist Greeny arsonists deserve to die just like the people they killed.

Why should the taxpayers pay to keep these creeps alive for no purpose whatsoever ?

The bleeding hearts waving their arms around keep avoiding the obvious.

[brian ross]

Briney wrote

I have no desire to put them to death simply 'cause I disagree with them, Bogan.

That was not what I asked you, and you know it. You are side stepping your own hypocrisy about "tolerance" by refusing to answer a simple question examining your own degree of tolerance towards groups of people that you despise.

No, I am keep the thread on track. The death penalty is, IMHO, a means by which people express revenge on the perpetrators of a crime. It does not repair the damage, it does not bring the victims back. It is an empty measure that does not create "closure" over the crime which was committed.

Briny wrote

You, OTOH, more than likely would want me and my, "lefty mates", done to death, now wouldn't you?

Brian, there were several European countries who had abolished the death penalty prior to WW2. But after the war was over, they condemned to death the traitors who had sold out their people to the national socialists. Dozens were shot or hanged. The populations of those countries considered that the crimes of the traitors were so appalling that nothing short of death would suffice for them to pay for their crimes. It simply goes to show that governments will reinstitute the death penalty if and when the overwhelming majority of own people demand it.

And these mysterious countries were? Name them, please or else we will think you are, as per usual, resorting to your fantasies. Tsk, tsk.

While I consider you and your comrades damned traitors, I don't think your crimes are bad enough to warrant the death penalty. We live in a democracy where even traitorous views like yours can be presented as reasoned arguments for examination by the populace as to whether their arguments are valid. It is for the populations of democracies to decide who is right or who is wrong.

"Traitous"? Really? And why would that be? We have seen how often your fantasies intrude on reality. Could this be another case of that?

If you wish to fly the red flag, or the Nazi flag, or the half moon green flag of Islam, go right ahead and make your political statement. That way other people can figure out where your true allegiances really are. But don't say to me it is OK to fly the red flag with the hammer and sickle, or the Muslim flag, but not the Nazi flag, the Confederate flag, the Eureka flag, or our present Australian flag. That would be intolerant and discriminatory.

Well, unfortunately people like you hare hijacked the Eureka Flag, Bogan. I don't find anything wrong with you flying any flag. However, be prepared to wear the consequences of doing so. I fly no flags, despite what you might believe.

[Bogan]

Briney wrote

No, I am keep the thread on track. The death penalty is, IMHO, a means by which people express revenge on the perpetrators of a crime. It does not repair the damage, it does not bring the victims back. It is an empty measure that does not create "closure" over the crime which was committed.

You could say the same thing for any form of punishment, Brian. Therefore, using your bizarre logic, nobody should be punished.

Briney wrote

And these mysterious countries were? Name them, please or else we will think you are, as per usual, resorting to your fantasies. Tsk, tsk.

Norway, Holland, Denmark, and Belgium were four.

Briney wrote

"Traitous"? Really? And why would that be? We have seen how often your fantasies intrude on reality. Could this be another case of that?

No. You are actively engaged in destroying white western democratic free market civilisation and replacing it with socialist totalitarian multiculturalism. You make excuses for our enemies and attack our friends and allies. It must have mortified you when those lying Iranian mullahs finally owed up to shooting down that airliner? But you still refuse to believe that those religious nutters are sticking limpet mines on tankers and shooting Hobbyking cruise missiles at Saudi oil installations. If they are white, they are never right.

Briney wrote

Well, unfortunately people like you hare hijacked the Eureka Flag, Bogan. I don't find anything wrong with you flying any flag.

Then you may have a vestigial bit of liberalism in you yet.

Briney wrote

I fly no flags, despite what you might believe.

Especially the Australian flag.

[brian ross]

Briney wrote

No, I am keep the thread on track. The death penalty is, IMHO, a means by which people express revenge on the perpetrators of a crime. It does not repair the damage, it does not bring the victims back. It is an empty measure that does not create "closure" over the crime which was committed.

You could say the same thing for any form of punishment, Brian. Therefore, using your bizarre logic, nobody should be punished.

Punishment is vastly over rated, Bogan. Coming from Sydney you'd appreciate that...

Briney wrote

And these mysterious countries were? Name them, please or else we will think you are, as per usual, resorting to your fantasies. Tsk, tsk.

Norway, Holland, Denmark, and Belgium were four.

Oh, goody some facts for a change.

Norway - OK
Holland - OK
Denmark - OK
Belgium - OK

So, all four allowed capital punishment after WWII. So, for a change we have reality, not fantasies. Why did they resort to capital punishment? Gee, obviously they wanted revenge for the crimes committed.

Briney wrote

"Traitous"? Really? And why would that be? We have seen how often your fantasies intrude on reality. Could this be another case of that?

No. You are actively engaged in destroying white western democratic free market civilisation and replacing it with socialist totalitarian multiculturalism. You make excuses for our enemies and attack our friends and allies. It must have mortified you when those lying Iranian mullahs finally owed up to shooting down that airliner? But you still refuse to believe that those religious nutters are sticking limpet mines on tankers and shooting Hobbyking cruise missiles at Saudi oil installations. If they are white, they are never right.

Well, you are wrong, Bogan. I do not "actively engage" in anything, I am a firm believe in western democratic free markets. Of course my definition of those things have nothing to do with the social construct of "race". Speaking of which, interesting Science Show this arvo on Radio National. You should listen to it. It might clear up a few of your fantasies.

As for the actions of Iran, I understood those people and their targets, the Saudis were tinted people, Bogan. I thought you'd be glad that they are killing on another?

Briney wrote

Well, unfortunately people like you hare hijacked the Eureka Flag, Bogan. I don't find anything wrong with you flying any flag.

Then you may have a vestigial bit of liberalism in you yet.

Others might get upset with you flying a Nazi flag though. Considered the Jews in your actions?

Briney wrote

I fly no flags, despite what you might believe.

Especially the Australian flag.

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Well, that is part of "no flag". I don't have a flag pole nor do I really feel like rising at daybreak to erect a flag and pulling it down at dusk. Of course you wouldn't understand the rules WRT to protocol, would you?

[Juliar]

It is good to see the backward looking buddies are having a quiet armchair chat beside the fire about not very much. They can't understand what is happening all around them so they retire into the marshmellow world of arm waving.

[Texan]

As long as the bar of proof is set high and the appeals are limited, I have no problem with the death penalty. Public executions should act as a deterrent to others considering a life of crime. (late night when young children are most likely in bed) I would reserve the death penalty for murder and treason during wartime.

1. The criminal will never again harm another person.

2. With limited appeals, the legal cost won't rival a lifetime of incarceration and the tax payers will save money.

[Juliar]

Death to the infidels!!!!

[Black Orchid]

As long as the bar of proof is set high and the appeals are limited, I have no problem with the death penalty. Public executions should act as a deterrent to others considering a life of crime. (late night when young children are most likely in bed) I would reserve the death penalty for murder and treason during wartime.

1. The criminal will never again harm another person.

2. With limited appeals, the legal cost won't rival a lifetime of incarceration and the tax payers will save money.

I'd add serial paedophiles to that list and if the evidence is irrefutable, with the advancement of DNA and other technologies, I see no reason for them to be held for 20 years making appeal after appeal at the taxpayers' expense.

[brian ross]

As long as the bar of proof is set high and the appeals are limited, I have no problem with the death penalty. Public executions should act as a deterrent to others considering a life of crime. (late night when young children are most likely in bed) I would reserve the death penalty for murder and treason during wartime.

1. The criminal will never again harm another person.

2. With limited appeals, the legal cost won't rival a lifetime of incarceration and the tax payers will save money.

That assumes that the criminal did so knowing that they were committing a crime, Tex.

That also assumes that public executions are actually a deterrent. Australia is the perfect example it don't be and never will be. When Australia was established as a colony there was only criminal punishment - death. A punishment that was handled out wily-nily. It failed to deter criminals. Even when transportation was introduced it failed to deter criminals because they were criminals because of circumstance, the theft of objects because they were often starving. Is death or transportation fair for such a crime? Nope, it isn't.

I think your judicial system needs reform rather than your sentencing regime.