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Volunteer Fire Fighters Cry for Help

Post by Black Orchid » Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:20 am

The president of the body representing thousands of volunteer firefighters is demanding immediate income support and masks for firefighters, warning the situation is now "out of control".

Mick Holton, the president of the Volunteer Fire Firefighters Association, accused Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian of ignoring rising public concerns. The leaders maintain they have not had any special requests made of them by fire chiefs who are "very comfortable with the arrangements".

The intervention follows days of rising fears about the sustainability of NSW's firefighting operations as personal bills mount for exhausted volunteers grappling with months of fires down the east coast.

Frustrated by the lack of action and arguing now is the time for change, Mr Holton said after weeks on the front, volunteers had racked up expenses, crowd-funded smoke masks and foregone thousands of dollars in income to defend homes.

NSW Rural Fire Service Commissioner Shane Fitzsimmons has been reticent to raise the issues with Mr Morrison and Ms Berejiklian amid the ongoing crisis, focussing resources on fighting fires which have now burned through 3.4 million hectares in the first weeks of summer.

"The fact that they haven't asked for federal support indicates that they believe they have the situation in hand," Mr Holton said.

"That is definitely not the case. The situation is quite the opposite. It is out of control."

He said volunteers had spent hundreds of dollars on fuel driving to and from strike teams up to three hours away.

"Why aren't we picking up the tab for legitimate expenses like we do for paid people?"

Mr Holton said this could take the form of tax breaks for volunteers or expenses being refunded in tax returns. Self-employed firefighters were particularly exposed with no company support to fall back on.

"They volunteer as much as they can afford, sometimes even more than they can afford," he said. "It is not sustainable."

Firefighters have also had to crowd-fund masks as the severity of the smoke has deepened. Mr Holton estimated purchasing the $350 masks for an estimated 6000 volunteers would cost taxpayers $2.1 million.

"Basically, they [the government and RFS] are saying keep chewing smoke and we will have a look at it after the fire season," he said.

Mr Morrison said once the crisis had passed, the government would review how they could better support fire commissioners to raise a volunteer force.

"Australia's system all around the country has always, and will always, depend on having a large volunteer force to deal with these issues. When people join these organisations, they do it to protect their community and do it out of a sense of great service," he said.

"The challenge is the duration of these fires during this season.

"I've heard some stories which would make folks out there just shake their heads, but now is not the time to go into it. Let's get through this first, and then let's sit down with all of the relevant people."

Ms Berejiklian said the NSW government would provide the RFS with all the resources they need.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 53mhb.html

These guys should be funded at state and federal levels. It's a shameful disgrace that firefighters have had to go begging for donations to buy smoke masks.

Morrison doesn't seem to be doing much except having to spend all his time trying to ward off accusations and criticism from hysterical devotees of climate change that he isn't doing enough. Devotees of Thunberg who does not have a clue what is going on here. MOST of these fires were deliberately lit.

Albanese, just to appear concerned, is sitting back and saying we must look into this. After the catastrophe has passed of course. Fat lot of good that is doing in the here and now.

Over 3.5 million hectares (over 8.6 million acres) burned into oblivion during the first week of summer in NSW alone.

The firefighters need to be compensated, relieved and supplied with EVERYTHING they need to do the jobs they are devoting their time to do. Many of their own houses have burned down while they are out saving others. Several have died and many have been injured.

The shocking loss of animal life will never be able to be counted. Koalas are on the verge of being functionally extinct.

Stop painting yourselves up like Japanese dolls and gluing yourselves to roadways and get off your asses and DO something constructive in the now. Lobby parliament to help the firefighters, to undertake mandatory off season fire control measures and most importantly of all ...

SUPER SEVERE penalties for those caught lighting fires. I don't care if many are 'children'. Punish them and punish them good! Destructive actions bear consequences. This is just not acceptable.

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Re: Volunteer Fire Fighters Cry for Help

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Re: Volunteer Fire Fighters Cry for Help

Post by The Reboot » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:24 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:20 am
Morrison doesn't seem to be doing much except having to spend all his time trying to ward off accusations and criticism from hysterical devotees of climate change that he isn't doing enough.
He's earned it. Remember, he was the one who fucked off to Hawaii. These firefighters never got that luxury, nor did the folks who's properties and livelihoods are being burned to the ground.
Black Orchid wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:20 am
Albanese, just to appear concerned, is sitting back and saying we must look into this. After the catastrophe has passed of course. Fat lot of good that is doing in the here and now.
Of course. Isn't that what our politicians do? Sit back and pretend to give a shit? The two party leaders are just as bad as each other.
Black Orchid wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:20 am
Stop painting yourselves up like Japanese dolls and gluing yourselves to roadways and get off your asses and DO something constructive in the now. Lobby parliament to help the firefighters, to undertake mandatory off season fire control measures and most importantly of all ...
:rofl

Agreed! :thumb

It is scary times indeed when people get so caught up in their ideologies that they miss the bigger picture. Their priorities aren't exactly straight, so to speak...
Black Orchid wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:20 am
SUPER SEVERE penalties for those caught lighting fires. I don't care if many are 'children'. Punish them and punish them good! Destructive actions bear consequences. This is just not acceptable.
Now we know that isn't gonna happen. Despite the fact that these mongrels deliberately lit fires, the Gretards of the world will still blame evil whitey for not taking action sooner. You know, despite the fact that the fires were deliberately lit. Gretards generally like to favour perpetrators rather than victims too, especially if said perp is black or Islamic.

Even if Labor had won the election with its big proclamation on climate change policy, the catastrophe would still occur. Their wouldn't have been enough time for them to "fix" anything, the fuckwits. :rofl

The temperatures would still soar to above average levels. These Gretards don't realize their posturing and protesting is pointless and empty.

Western Australia, despite its vast empty spaces of thick dry bushland and intolerable heat, has the least problems in this crisis. Because we can do our fire breaks... :roll:

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Re: Volunteer Fire Fighters Cry for Help

Post by Black Orchid » Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:31 pm

All true.

This is not a time I want to hear from the Gretards of the world. Everyone keeps ignoring the elephant in the room in favour of sensationalism ...

Most of the fires in NSW were deliberately lit.

I want to hear about tougher penalties. WAY TOUGHER PENALTIES! I want to hear what happens to those who have been caught. More than likely they will be given a slap on the wrist and set free with nary a word in the press. This is not good enough.

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Re: Volunteer Fire Fighters Cry for Help

Post by Neferti » Thu Dec 26, 2019 4:11 pm

I read that 87% of fires are started by humans, only 13% started by lightning. I Googled to see what the current penalty for convicted arsonists is and got this. Let's hope it is acted on and Magistrates don't just give them a slap on the wrist!
The non-parole period for convicted arsonists will increase from five years to nine years to help protect lives and property.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/news-and-events/ ... arsonists/

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Re: Volunteer Fire Fighters Cry for Help

Post by billy the kid » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:11 pm

Gutless Magistrates will not impose heavy penalties, as Australian Courts for decades have been intent
on rehabilitation rather than penalising the accused....(for any offense except terrorism....)
I find it very hard to believe that any heavy penalties will be imposed....
This is just the government justifying its existence by attempting to be seen to be doing something.....
Wishful thinking..... :rofl
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Re: Volunteer Fire Fighters Cry for Help

Post by Black Orchid » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:33 pm

I saw where Police "talked" to 2 12 year old offenders who lit at least 2 fires that got out of control. "Talk" being the operative word. Their parents should be held responsible and then maybe they will learn to teach their delinquent kids right from wrong.

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Re: Volunteer Fire Fighters Cry for Help

Post by brian ross » Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:47 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:31 pm
Most of the fires in NSW were deliberately lit.
And your evidence of that is, what exactly, Black Orchid?

Whether or not they were deliberately lit (which I personally doubt), the bushfires were made worse by climate change worsening the drought. :roll
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Re: Volunteer Fire Fighters Cry for Help

Post by sprintcyclist » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:07 pm

Neferti~ wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 4:11 pm
I read that 87% of fires are started by humans, only 13% started by lightning. I Googled to see what the current penalty for convicted arsonists is and got this. Let's hope it is acted on and Magistrates don't just give them a slap on the wrist!
The non-parole period for convicted arsonists will increase from five years to nine years to help protect lives and property.
https://www.nsw.gov.au/news-and-events/ ... arsonists/
In this country, I equate arsonists to terrorists
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Re: Volunteer Fire Fighters Cry for Help

Post by The Reboot » Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:47 am

Black Orchid wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:33 pm
I saw where Police "talked" to 2 12 year old offenders who lit at least 2 fires that got out of control. "Talk" being the operative word. Their parents should be held responsible and then maybe they will learn to teach their delinquent kids right from wrong.
It's those sorts of parents that makes me lean towards population control.

As for the police, when I was little it was my dream to be a police officer. As I grew up, however, I observed that cops slowly lost any right to actually do anything. They are completely neutered and blocked by red tape rendering them useless.

They're effective for issuing out fines... That's about it.

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