Australia's defence discussion

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Bogan
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Re: Australia's defence discussion

Post by Bogan » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:05 pm

Brian Ross ( I think) wrote

Again, this does not belong in a thread about nuclear weapons IMO so I have moved it here, where it belongs.
Eh? How is it that you have the power to move entire topics onto other threads, Brian? Are you socialists taking over this debate site too? How long before you ban me on this one as well?
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But there is no record of this crash into Sydney Harbour, Bogan.
Which is another way of saying that you spent five or ten minutes on Google and Bing trying to find any reference to the crash, and since you could not find anything, it must not have happened. I did happen, Brian.
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What I did was point out that the decisions made on the information available, AT THE TIME, was more than adequate, Bogan. Something you refuse to accept, applying 100% perfect hindsight to the problem. I am unsure why you assume that every decision made by everyone has to be 100% correct, all the time.
The Australian people expect our highly paid public service officials responsible for projects costing tens of billions of dollars to be right almost all of the time. Mistakes can be made, but not the same mistake, over and over, and over again. The initial mistake of purchasing the F-111, a drawing board plane of unknown final cost was a huge mistake but a forgivable one, since we had never been in such a position before and we simply trusted a normally very trustworthy friend an ally. But the subsequent purchase of the FA-18 was criminal negligence worthy of somebody being put in front of a firing squad, and I really mean that literally. Then to repeat the same mistake with the F-35, which is Australia's largest ever defence purchase? Are the lunatics running the asylum in DoD, Brian?

Scuttling our magnificent FFG-7 frigates to be used as dive wrecks and fishing reefs is another case of criminal negligence. If there is one thing world war 2 should have taught us, it is that so called "obsolete" class A war machines can be absolutely essential when it comes to winning a serious war. Disposing of very expensive and still very capable weapon systems only one generation out of date is insanity.
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Reject what you like, Bogan. All it proves is that your views are so entrenched there is no point in continue to discuss the matter with you. Your head is so far up your arse that it will never see daylight.
Of course you do not want to debate this subject with me, Briney. What I write makes so much sense that you know that probably all of our readers agree with me. What I write simply follows the three laws of logic and reason. What you write is just arse covering exercises meant to cover the criminal incompetence of your public service mates.

Oh, and another thing. Youtube has a video on the "Ten Worst French Aircraft" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwlrMVYZ_EE&t=848s which the video described as "a Ford attack helicopter at Lamborghini prices."

It goes on, "in 2013 prices, the cost of a Tiger was US $49 million dollars a pop, US$14 million dollars more than the far superior Apache. It is hard to know how they (the Australians) could have got it so wrong. Whatever the reason, it ended up as a very expensive way to not buy Apaches."

Sack them all and replace them with their tea ladies, Brian.

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Re: Australia's defence discussion

Post by Black Orchid » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:09 pm

Bogan wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:05 pm
Brian Ross ( I think) wrote

Again, this does not belong in a thread about nuclear weapons IMO so I have moved it here, where it belongs.
Eh? How is it that you have the power to move entire topics onto other threads, Brian? Are you socialists taking over this debate site too? How long before you ban me on this one as well?
Brian cannot ban you nor can he move topics per se.

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Re: Australia's defence discussion

Post by brian ross » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:12 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:09 pm
Bogan wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:05 pm
Brian Ross ( I think) wrote

Again, this does not belong in a thread about nuclear weapons IMO so I have moved it here, where it belongs.
Eh? How is it that you have the power to move entire topics onto other threads, Brian? Are you socialists taking over this debate site too? How long before you ban me on this one as well?
Brian cannot ban you nor can he move topics per se.
Bogan appears to be fantasising. :roll
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Re: Australia's defence discussion

Post by Black Orchid » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:17 pm

brian ross wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:12 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:09 pm
Bogan wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:05 pm
Brian Ross ( I think) wrote

Again, this does not belong in a thread about nuclear weapons IMO so I have moved it here, where it belongs.
Eh? How is it that you have the power to move entire topics onto other threads, Brian? Are you socialists taking over this debate site too? How long before you ban me on this one as well?
Brian cannot ban you nor can he move topics per se.
Bogan appears to be fantasising. :roll
YOU are the one who made the misleading comment.

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Re: Australia's defence discussion

Post by brian ross » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:18 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:17 pm
brian ross wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:12 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:09 pm
Bogan wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:05 pm
Brian Ross ( I think) wrote

Again, this does not belong in a thread about nuclear weapons IMO so I have moved it here, where it belongs.
Eh? How is it that you have the power to move entire topics onto other threads, Brian? Are you socialists taking over this debate site too? How long before you ban me on this one as well?
Brian cannot ban you nor can he move topics per se.
Bogan appears to be fantasising. :roll
YOU are the one who made the misleading comment.
How was it misleading, Black Orchid?

One minute you're suggesting I start new threads or copy drifting posts to the correct threads, now you're suggesting I'm misleading people by following your instructions? Jeez, appears you can't be pleased, Black Orchid. :roll :roll
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Re: Australia's defence discussion

Post by Bogan » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:28 pm

Yeah! It's all your fault Brian. Everything is. Evil man.

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Re: Australia's defence discussion

Post by Bogan » Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:28 am

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Another DoD ballsup. Cost are in Australian dollars. We are really getting value for our dollars, aren't we? This is what happens when our governments buy weapons for environmental reasons instead of military ones. When war with China comes, we deserve to lose.
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Re: Australia's defence discussion

Post by brian ross » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:03 pm

The reason why VIRGINIA class subs are cheaper is 'cause there are more of them.

The US has never supplied nuclear submarines to another country.

We lack the means and the ability to refuel a nuclear submarine which would mean a ~12 month refit in a US submarine yard, every 3-5 years.

This was not the fault BTW, of the Department of Defence. It was a POLITICAL decision made by the politicians, Bogan, not the members of the RAN or the bureaucrats. Yet again, you miss. :roll :roll
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Re: Australia's defence discussion

Post by Juliar » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:17 pm

This broken tattered "thread" is armchair arm waving in the extreme.

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Re: Australia's defence discussion

Post by Redneck » Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:42 pm

Juliar wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 3:17 pm
This broken tattered "thread" is armchair arm waving in the extreme.
What are you banned at OzPol dopey?

Annoying us instead! :rofl

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