Should Australia be adopting Nuclear Arms

[Nom De Plume]

I support the idea. Far north QLD, NT and WA... Would be good locations. Certainly put Oz on the political map.

[brian ross]

That Darwin port deal needs cancelling on National Security reasons.

Even if we have to do a refund ....

If we have the money that is !

What "national security" concerns are there? Darwin Port is a small fraction of Darwin Harbour and does not include the defence port facilities. I am unsure what "security reasons" are there when the Department of Defence has emphatically OK'ed the leasing of Darwin Port to the Chinese.

You are starting to sound like a Sinophobe, Red. Chinese investment is just money. They cannot, as Black Orchid has quoted me (and Sir Joh, BTW), put it in their back pocket and take it home with them. The NT Government has invited investment into it's infrastructure. What difference does it make if it comes from the UK, the USA, Japan or China? We have accepted investment from other overseas countries/corporations. What makes Chinese investment so different that we cannot accept it? ::)

[Black Orchid]

Taking something home with them is not the problem.

[brian ross]

Taking something home with them is not the problem.

So, then what does your paranoid fear stem from, Black Orchid?

Do you think that 'cause the Chinese now operate it, that means they can sneak ashore an armoured division or two without us noticing it?

Come on, lets get realistic here. Something certain people here have real problems with it seems.

[Black Orchid]

Taking something home with them is not the problem.

So, then what does your paranoid fear stem from, Black Orchid?

Do you think that 'cause the Chinese now operate it, that means they can sneak ashore an armoured division or two without us noticing it?

Come on, lets get realistic here. Something certain people here have real problems with it seems.

No paranoid fear at all, Brian. Don't try to misrepresent what is said. You have the uncanny knack of trying to twist things to fit your own limited mindset.

If you can't see the difference between selling off the country to the USA or UK as opposed to China, Japan or Indonesia nothing will sway you because you are steeped in ignorance and bias/racism towards your own culture.

I know you consider yourself superior and always right so can you explain to us why we rarely ever see anyone agree with you?

[brian ross]

Taking something home with them is not the problem.

So, then what does your paranoid fear stem from, Black Orchid?

Do you think that 'cause the Chinese now operate it, that means they can sneak ashore an armoured division or two without us noticing it?

Come on, lets get realistic here. Something certain people here have real problems with it seems.

No paranoid fear at all, Brian. Don't try to misrepresent what is said. You have the uncanny knack of trying to twist things to fit your own limited mindset.

If you can't see the difference between selling off the country to the USA or UK as opposed to China, Japan or Indonesia nothing will sway you because you are steeped in ignorance and bias/racism towards your own culture.

I know you consider yourself superior and always right so can you explain to us why we rarely ever see anyone agree with you?

Ah, so suggesting that you're the one who is being Xenophobic means in reality I am being Xenophobic against my own "race/culture"? Really?

Black Orchid, Australia has been built with foreign capital. We have a long history of opening up our country and our society to foreign capital to enable it to grow. That capital started with the UK, then moved on with the US's and then with Japan's. Today, we are opening ourselves up to Chinese capital. It is just money. Money we need.

Now, it would be admirable if we didn't need that money, I agree. However, our population is small(ish) and doesn't have the resources we feel we need to make our nation great(er). Your attitude is, "Oh, gee we don't want Chinese money 'cause it's Chinese!" And you wonder why I have labelled you as a Sinophobe? You don't offer explanations why you don't like Chinese investment in Australia. All I can conclude is that it is because you fear China and Chinese. Now, don't blame me for coming to a logical conclusion based on your inability to explain why you don't want Chinese investment in Australia.

[Black Orchid]

Not wanting to sell out to the Chinese is not being xenophobic you twat. We sold them an airport in WA for $1. If we are that desperate for foreign capital I would have paid 10,000 times more and kept it within Australia. Gee I would have paid them 100,000 times more.

You can label me anything you wish to just as I label you a complete and utter moron.

[brian ross]

Not wanting to sell out to the Chinese is not being xenophobic you twat. We sold them an airport in WA for $1. If we are that desperate for foreign capital I would have paid 10,000 times more and kept it within Australia. Gee I would have paid them 100,000 times more.

You can label me anything you wish to just as I label you a complete and utter moron.

The Merredin council sold them the airstrip because they couldn't afford to maintain it. The conditions of its sale were that the Chinese got to lease it, as long as anybody could use it. The Chinese company that leased it, no longer operates it 'cause they contravened the Civil Aviation Safety Authorities conditions WRT to trained personnel. They ceased operating it in early 2018. The CASA is working with the Chinese corporation to reopen the airstrip.

Like most things about Chinese investment it has been blown completely out of proportion by people like yourself, Black Orchid. The Merredin council couldn't afford it. It was a dirt clear weather only airstrip. The Chinese changed it into an all weather airstrip and invested heavily in it. Looks to me like Merredin got a good deal for that $1. They didn't sell it, they leased it. There is a difference.

Read the facts about the deal here.

[Black Orchid]

As usual the point goes straight over your head. Go and live in China, Brian, I am sure they could find a use for you.

[The4thEstate]

You are starting to sound like a Sinophobe, Red. Chinese investment is just money. They cannot, as Black Orchid has quoted me (and Sir Joh, BTW), put it in their back pocket and take it home with them. The NT Government has invited investment into it's infrastructure. What difference does it make if it comes from the UK, the USA, Japan or China? We have accepted investment from other overseas countries/corporations. What makes Chinese investment so different that we cannot accept it? ::)

Gosh, you're right, Brian -- why would anyone suspect anything but the purest, most altruistic motives when dealing with the Chinese?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50511063

Leaked documents detail for the first time China's systematic brainwashing of hundreds of thousands of Muslims in a network of high-security prison camps. The Chinese government has consistently claimed the camps in the far western Xinjiang region offer voluntary education and training. But official documents, seen by BBC Panorama, show how inmates are locked up, indoctrinated and punished.

Ben Emmerson QC, a leading human rights lawyer and an adviser to the World Uighur Congress, said the camps were trying to change people's identity.

"It is very difficult to view that as anything other than a mass brainwashing scheme designed and directed at an entire ethnic community. It's a total transformation that is designed specifically to wipe the Muslim Uighurs of Xinjiang as a separate cultural group off the face of the Earth."

Hmm ... this poses quite a quandary for you, because it involves two of your favorite victim groups -- the Chinese and the Muslims.

So the question you'll have to wrestle with is: "Are the Chinese Islamophobic for incarcerating and psychologically torturing the Muslims ... or are the Muslims Sinophobic for objecting to it?"

By all means, let us know which side wins in your mind ... assuming your mind doesn't melt down in the process.