Is this forum being stacked with Rightards

[Texan]

Sorry. I messed up my last post on my phone right before my customer showed up and I had to go to work. This was my response earlier.

Clinton was dragged kicking and screaming to a balanced budget by Newt Gingrich and Congress. State governments are much more efficient than the feds. Government needs to be as close to the people as possible as declared in the 10th Amendment. As far as your poverty scenario, laziness should have consequences. Welfare should be for the disabled and begging should be a humbling experience.

[brian ross]

Sorry. I messed up my last post on my phone right before my customer showed up and I had to go to work. This was my response earlier.

Clinton was dragged kicking and screaming to a balanced budget by Newt Gingrich and Congress. State governments are much more efficient than the feds. Government needs to be as close to the people as possible as declared in the 10th Amendment. As far as your poverty scenario, laziness should have consequences. Welfare should be for the disabled and begging should be a humbling experience.

Newt Gingrich, the neo-Nazi writer? Sorry, I only look at results, not how they occurred, Tex. Clinton was the last US el Presidente' who managed to balance the budget. Surely he deserves kudos for that?

I also think you are putting far too much responsibility on the individual for their circumstances. Poverty is often caused by many factors, only some of which are the responsibility of the individual. Begging in a modern, liberal democracy like the US should not be necessary.

[Texan]

Sorry. I messed up my last post on my phone right before my customer showed up and I had to go to work. This was my response earlier.

Clinton was dragged kicking and screaming to a balanced budget by Newt Gingrich and Congress. State governments are much more efficient than the feds. Government needs to be as close to the people as possible as declared in the 10th Amendment. As far as your poverty scenario, laziness should have consequences. Welfare should be for the disabled and begging should be a humbling experience.

Newt Gingrich, the neo-Nazi writer? Sorry, I only look at results, not how they occurred, Tex. Clinton was the last US el Presidente' who managed to balance the budget. Surely he deserves kudos for that?

I also think you are putting far too much responsibility on the individual for their circumstances. Poverty is often caused by many factors, only some of which are the responsibility of the individual. Begging in a modern, liberal democracy like the US should not be necessary.

Clinton vetoed the balanced budget bill at least twice before Congress got their way.

I see too many lazy people milking the system that I am funding. They can work or beg.

I saw a woman use her welfare card to buy $400 worth of meat and saw her loading it into her new $55k Suburban in the parking lot.

[brian ross]

Sorry. I messed up my last post on my phone right before my customer showed up and I had to go to work. This was my response earlier.

Clinton was dragged kicking and screaming to a balanced budget by Newt Gingrich and Congress. State governments are much more efficient than the feds. Government needs to be as close to the people as possible as declared in the 10th Amendment. As far as your poverty scenario, laziness should have consequences. Welfare should be for the disabled and begging should be a humbling experience.

Newt Gingrich, the neo-Nazi writer? Sorry, I only look at results, not how they occurred, Tex. Clinton was the last US el Presidente' who managed to balance the budget. Surely he deserves kudos for that?

I also think you are putting far too much responsibility on the individual for their circumstances. Poverty is often caused by many factors, only some of which are the responsibility of the individual. Begging in a modern, liberal democracy like the US should not be necessary.

Clinton vetoed the balanced budget bill at least twice before Congress got their way.

I see too many lazy people milking the system that I am funding. They can work or beg.

I saw a woman use her welfare card to buy $400 worth of meat and saw her loading it into her new $55k Suburban in the parking lot.

There are always those who "play" the system, Tex, rich or poor. More often than not, they are caught and punished. However, thankfully, they are very much in the minority. That woman might have had circumstances which you weren't aware of. It might not have been her Suburban, it might not have been her welfare card, etc.

You believe there are "too many lazy people, milking your system." Downunder, there has been a similar belief so the Tory Government decided to take action and instituted a way of recovering what they claimed was "inappropriate" payment. There have been a succession of stories in the MSM of people being hard done by as a consequence. So, much so, that there has been a public backlash and the Government has decided to change the various rules (again). We shall have to see if they are being lenient enough.

[Mortdooley]

Welfare is a career here and people who are comfortable with the lifestyle it gives them enjoy their lives of leisure. The woman with the Suburban is no different then the mothers who used government vouchers for their childrens preschool where my wife was the Director. Hair extensions, artificial finger nails, top dollar clothing for everyone in the family and top of the line SUVs was the normal lifestyles of the poor disadvantaged families. The way to beat the system is simple, Daddy never marries Mama but they live together and have children together. That makes Mom a poor single mother in need of government assistance. She gets housing, food stamps and a monthly check to help care for her and her children and no one is prosecuted because it is not exactly fraud, just a dishonest way to beat the system.

Our beggars make more money then a lot of people working part time jobs and it is all tax free. If you have no self respect you to can make a good living with the right props. A small child, a cute dog or a missing limb will get you more handouts than rags for clothes. Somehow too many people never learned how to be adults and feel they deserve to be cared for by the rest of us.

[Nom De Plume]

Why do people always want to pick on the poor, as though it's all their fault. It is an ignorant way of thinking, considering that corporate welfare costs the tax payer far more than ordinary welfare. Seems that capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich is the norm and has been for quite some time. Yet sadly, people don't know this, nor are they taught this... Brainwashed, we are!

I'm all for capitalism, but this is not it! This is Corporatocracy, where the government is held ransom by private legal entities who make unreasonable demands... and citizens suffer for it!

[Texan]

Why do people always want to pick on the poor, as though it's all their fault. It is an ignorant way of thinking, considering that corporate welfare costs the tax payer far more than ordinary welfare. Seems that capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich is the norm and has been for quite some time. Yet sadly, people don't know this, nor are they taught this... Brainwashed, we are!

I'm all for capitalism, but this is not it! This is Corporatocracy, where the government is held ransom by private legal entities who make unreasonable demands... and citizens suffer for it!

Who is picking on the poor? I started with nothing, as did my parents. I worked hard, avoided drugs, and didn't make babies until I could afford to take proper care of them. It's not rocket science. Some people are screwed out of those options and I get that, but most poor people are there because of their poor choices.

[Nom De Plume]

Why do people always want to pick on the poor, as though it's all their fault. It is an ignorant way of thinking, considering that corporate welfare costs the tax payer far more than ordinary welfare. Seems that capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich is the norm and has been for quite some time. Yet sadly, people don't know this, nor are they taught this... Brainwashed, we are!

I'm all for capitalism, but this is not it! This is Corporatocracy, where the government is held ransom by private legal entities who make unreasonable demands... and citizens suffer for it!

Who is picking on the poor? I started with nothing, as did my parents. I worked hard, avoided drugs, and didn't make babies until I could afford to take proper care of them. It's not rocket science. Some people are screwed out of those options and I get that, but most poor people are there because of their poor choices.

Wow! Is that all you got from that? I'm saying that the Corporates are screwing over society, and you treat it as a personal attack against your hard working family! Dude, it's not about you.. It was never about you.. I didn't even consider you when I typed that!

[Black Orchid]

I don't see anyone "picking on the poor" but I thought you were having a go at Mort

[Texan]

Why do people always want to pick on the poor, as though it's all their fault. It is an ignorant way of thinking, considering that corporate welfare costs the tax payer far more than ordinary welfare. Seems that capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich is the norm and has been for quite some time. Yet sadly, people don't know this, nor are they taught this... Brainwashed, we are!

I'm all for capitalism, but this is not it! This is Corporatocracy, where the government is held ransom by private legal entities who make unreasonable demands... and citizens suffer for it!

Who is picking on the poor? I started with nothing, as did my parents. I worked hard, avoided drugs, and didn't make babies until I could afford to take proper care of them. It's not rocket science. Some people are screwed out of those options and I get that, but most poor people are there because of their poor choices.

Wow! Is that all you got from that? I'm saying that the Corporates are screwing over society, and you treat it as a personal attack against your hard working family! Dude, it's not about you.. It was never about you.. I didn't even consider you when I typed that!

I think that corporations screw over the people with government lobbying but I've never been offered a job by a poor man. I'd like to see corporate lobbying reformed or outlawed completely. I don't mind them using their money to advertise to sway public opinion, but they should not be able to buy politicians. The problem is ultimately with the politicians. They make laws that don't apply to them. In America, politicians are immune to insider trading laws. They support laws that allow them to be paid by lobbyists or for their friends or political accounts to be enriched legally. Term limits would fix most of the problems.