

The4thEstate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:53 amInvestigated by whom? Ever notice that when it comes to Trump, left-wing media like the New York Times throw everything they've got into looking for something, anything to nail him on ... but when it comes to Biden, they simply shrug and say, "There's no evidence that Biden did anything wrong."
Here, I'll cite a report by Reuters, which isn't exactly known for being a Trump fan club:Fred wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:14 pmWell now, I am working from memory here, but I am guessing by the media themselves. Joe Biden himself has no connection personally to Burisma Group. I have to admit though, I ignored the China part of the comment. Since nothing of evidence was provided from anybody about these matters, I have not worried about finding out.
However, The Burisma Group with the evidence provided actually showed that Biden Jr was the ONLY Biden who had a connection to Burisma and the payment was not made to Biden at all but a third party who was connected to Biden Jr meaning the evidence was simple innuendo. Again a Trump tactic, that I don’t think worked for him and will not for anybody else. Since that was the opening I simply discarded the rest of the paragraph. For which I requested evidence of such.
Well, I wish that were true, but the fact is that U.S. media outlets have been making unfounded accusations against Trump since he was sworn in as president. Consider the Time magazine cover with the caption "Red-Handed," a reference to Trump's son's meeting with a Russian attorney in Trump Tower.
Sure, and the truth is that after a 2-year investigation that cost the American taxpayers $35 million, we wound up with no evidence of any Russian collusion by Trump and his campaign ... because there was never any evidence of it from the start.Fred wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:14 pmSo thus it is important to sift through the reporting an extract the fact from fiction. We then come on here and debate what is fact and fiction which is helpful for you being American to help by providing support for such.
However, we should never just discard something because you don’t like the messenger or the message. You should only discard for the truth of the issue or action.
The4thEstate wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:53 amOf course there's no evidence ... that's what investigations are for! But there's plenty to be suspicious about when a Vice President flies his ne'er'-do-well son to China and Junior winds up with a billion-dollar investment from the Chinese government.
It's not illegal to invest with the help of an American firm. But Biden's firm was a small-potatoes operation that, according to financial pundits I've heard, would never have attracted a billion-dollar Chinese investment if one of its principals hadn't been related to the Vice President.Fred wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:14 pmI think I already (in previous post) stated I know nothing of this point and cannot refute it. But (from this one point, I suspect is worded poorly) simply getting investment from a foreign nation is not criminal or even suspicious is it??? Maybe I have it wrong to what you saying here, but China has invested almost 22% into US economy (2 years ago figures) I am sure it was not considered illegal.
Well, there's always been foreign interference by the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, etc. -- it's just that nobody before now has attempted to connect it to an American presidential candidate/president in hopes of gaining a political advantage.
We're already beginning to see. Here's a surprisingly balanced opinion piece from the Washington Post that covers the nuts and bolts of the Barr probe and the fact that it's now described as a criminal investigation:
It's not illegal for an American president to request that a foreign government investigate what he perceives as corruption. In fact, that's what a president should do -- try to stamp out corruption that affects the U.S., especially when it comes to presidential elections.Fred wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:37 pmI agree, but if the Russia collusion was such a serious matter, and then he has committed Of course there is no evidence of anything. Due to Trump’s image, A polarising character, if something evidence that could be tested came forward I can guarantee he would have face court by now.
BUT he did request an investigation be started by a foreign government and honestly the more I discuss this with people the more I believe he is being played like a fiddle. BUT that is my opinion and nothing more.
But your opinion has been shaped by reports from left-wing media who are bent on disparaging Trump. Try getting a more balanced view -- especially when it comes to the Barr investigation into the original of the Russia collusion investigation.Fred wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:37 pmI think your discarding this issue out of hand is little short sighted, As I have stated before, I believe this is simply about tossing mud till the next election and trying to convince the American people there must be some truth to the matter. I give Americans more intelligence than that, but again Trump is also using the same tactic.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/30/an ... officials/A new report from RealClearInvestigations reveals that the anti-Trump “whistleblower” who prompted the current impeachment proceedings against President Trump is a registered Democrat who worked with a Democratic National Committee opposition researcher who dug up dirt on the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.
Federal documents reveal that the whistleblower, Eric Ciaramella, previously worked in the Obama administration with former Vice President Joe Biden and former CIA Director John Brennan. RealClear reports that Ciaramella remained there into the Trump administration, and headed the Ukraine desk at the National Security Council, eventually transitioning into the West Wing, until June 2017.
He then “left his National Security Council posting in the White House’s West Wing in mid-2017 amid concerns about negative leaks to the media. He has since returned to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia,” RealClearInvestigations reported. Ciaramella is a Yale graduate who reportedly speaks Russian, Ukrainian, and Arabic.
Officials told RealClear that Ciaramella strongly opposed Trump’s foreign policy.
“He didn’t exactly hide his passion with respect to what he thought was the right thing to do with Ukraine and Russia, and his views were at odds with the president’s policies,” a former senior White House official said.
Politico reported on a Ukrainian-American woman who consulted for the Democratic National Committee, and “met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia.” The woman, Alexandra Chalupa, was paid $412,000 from 2004 to June 2016 by the DNC.
Ciaramella invited Chalupa to meetings and events at the White House, RealClear reported, documents confirming one occasion in November 2015. She also visited the White House with Ukrainian lobbyists seeking aid from Obama.
Chalupa said she shared her findings with both the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Politico reports that “Chalupa told a senior DNC official that, when it came to Trump’s campaign, ‘I felt there was a Russia connection.'” Chalupa also said that the Ukrainian embassy worked directly with reporters digging for Trump-Russia ties.
Before Ciaramella filed his “whistleblower complaint,” he sought “guidance” from House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s staff and other Obama-era NSC staff recently employed by Schiff’s office. Before this “guidance” was public knowledge, the Chairman was adamant on hearing the “whistleblower” testimony.
“We need to speak with the whistleblower,” Schiff and other Democrats proclaimed. As soon as Ciaramella’s partisanship and collaboration was discovered, Schiff and the Democrats flipped to preventing the testimony from happening and moving their hearings behind closed doors.
'cause without valid evidence the investigation cannot continue, Black Orchid. I know you don't believe I think el Presidente Trump is innocent but I personally would prefer valid evidence to damn him with. I don't attack politicians merely on the basis of my likes or dislikes, despite what you may believe, Black Orchid. I don't attack people simply because they have a dark skin or red hair or are women or are gay or anything like that. They need to have done something wrong. An investigation will discover that. Trump's followers seem afraid of any investigation for some unfathomable reason.Black Orchid wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:41 pmWhy does it matter if his evidence is valid?![]()
Goodnight Brian.
Actually, there's a very fathomable reason: Trump supporters know B.S. when they see it.brian ross wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:14 pmTrump's followers seem afraid of any investigation for some unfathomable reason.
Maybe so, maybe not. You appear 100% converted to support el Presidente' Trump, right or wrong. What happens if it discovers he is in the wrong? Will your allegiance change?The4thEstate wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:05 amActually, there's a very fathomable reason: Trump supporters know B.S. when they see it.brian ross wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:14 pmTrump's followers seem afraid of any investigation for some unfathomable reason.
Whats you point Brian, Impeachment at best is a TUT TUT , It has no rear legal standing , If the Dems get it through the house , it wont go any further they would be better putting their time and efforts into finding a good candidate to challenge Trumpbrian ross wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:01 pmMaybe so, maybe not. You appear 100% converted to support el Presidente' Trump, right or wrong. What happens if it discovers he is in the wrong? Will your allegiance change?The4thEstate wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:05 amActually, there's a very fathomable reason: Trump supporters know B.S. when they see it.brian ross wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:14 pmTrump's followers seem afraid of any investigation for some unfathomable reason.
Tell me, did you support Nixon before he was (nearly) impeached? How about Clinton? Oops, of course not, such a silly question, right, 4E?![]()
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