Al-Baghdadi Dies "Whimpering, Crying, Screaming"

[Bobby]

Do what Hitler would do.

And how well did that work out for the Nazis, Bobby? They still rule Europe, don't they? Ooops!

The Israelis have found out that collective punishments, exile, extra-judicial executions, destruction of property, etc. hasn't worked all that well for them, just as it hasn't worked all that well for any other occupying power throughout history.

Hitler would bury them all in unmarked graves
in the desert sand.

Still missing the point, Bobby.

How well did that work out for the Nazis? How well did it work out for Saddam Hussein? How well has it worked out for the Israelis, Mmmmm? I suppose you like to ignore reality, don't you?

Brian - you need a lesson:
Bush said it!

Bush,

We're not deceived by their pretenses to piety. We have seen their kind before. They're the
heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve
their radical visions, by abandoning every value except the will to power, they follow in the
path of fascism, Nazism and totalitarianism. And they will follow that path all the way to
where it ends in history's unmarked grave of discarded lies.

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[brian ross]

You're still not getting it, are you, Bobby.

You are effectively praising the Nazis for adopting a tactic which was judged to be a war crime. You are effectively praising the worse excesses of Saddam Hussein and the Israelis. As I keep pointing out, they were and dismal failures at deterring their opponents from attacking the occupiers. If anything, they have stirred greater opposition and support for the resistance forces. They have been dismal failures.

The objective of an occupation force is to bring the occupied population onside to it by winning it's "hearts and minds" to support it. These sort of tactics have failed, dismally at achieving that. As Richard Nixon once proclaimed, "when you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds follow." Well, we all know who won that war, now don't we?

Time to get with reality, Bobby. Time to actually note what works and what doesn't. The Americans and the Israelis and the Nazis have shown us what doesn't work. The British and Australian forces have show what does work.

[Bobby]

You're still not getting it, are you, Bobby.

You are effectively praising the Nazis for adopting a tactic which was judged to be a war crime. You are effectively praising the worse excesses of Saddam Hussein and the Israelis. As I keep pointing out, they were and dismal failures at deterring their opponents from attacking the occupiers. If anything, they have stirred greater opposition and support for the resistance forces. They have been dismal failures.

The objective of an occupation force is to bring the occupied population onside to it by winning it's "hearts and minds" to support it. These sort of tactics have failed, dismally at achieving that. As Richard Nixon once proclaimed, "when you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds follow." Well, we all know who won that war, now don't we?

Time to get with reality, Bobby. Time to actually note what works and what doesn't. The Americans and the Israelis and the Nazis have shown us what doesn't work. The British and Australian forces have show what does work.

dear Brian,
are you saying that Bush was wrong?
If they would have buried all those idiots in the POW camps
then Baghdadi would have been buried too along with his violent ideology.
ISIS might never have started.

[brian ross]

You're still not getting it, are you, Bobby.

You are effectively praising the Nazis for adopting a tactic which was judged to be a war crime. You are effectively praising the worse excesses of Saddam Hussein and the Israelis. As I keep pointing out, they were and dismal failures at deterring their opponents from attacking the occupiers. If anything, they have stirred greater opposition and support for the resistance forces. They have been dismal failures.

The objective of an occupation force is to bring the occupied population onside to it by winning it's "hearts and minds" to support it. These sort of tactics have failed, dismally at achieving that. As Richard Nixon once proclaimed, "when you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds follow." Well, we all know who won that war, now don't we?

Time to get with reality, Bobby. Time to actually note what works and what doesn't. The Americans and the Israelis and the Nazis have shown us what doesn't work. The British and Australian forces have show what does work.

dear Brian,
are you saying that Bush was wrong?

Yes.

If they would have buried all those idiots in the POW camps
then Baghdadi would have been buried too along with his violent ideology.
ISIS might never have started.

ISIS would have started anyway. There would have been a different Baghdadi. It might not have been called "ISIS". It matters not. There was al Q'aeda in Iraq before ISIS. ISIS was just more extreme (to the point that they were ejected from al Q'aeda because of their violence). ISIS was going to happen eventually.

What you are essentially suggesting is a war crime, Bobby. Is that really something you'd like the West do? I thought the West was supposedly morally superior to the Islamist view of such matters. Was I mistaken?

[Bobby]

ISIS would have started anyway. There would have been a different Baghdadi. It might not have been called "ISIS". It matters not. There was al Q'aeda in Iraq before ISIS. ISIS was just more extreme (to the point that they were ejected from al Q'aeda because of their violence). ISIS was going to happen eventually.

What you are essentially suggesting is a war crime, Bobby. Is that really something you'd like the West do? I thought the West was supposedly morally superior to the Islamist view of such matters. Was I mistaken?

dear Brian,
It was Bush who said that it would end in unmarked graves for them and I agree with him.
Some would call it a war crime but I don't see any other way to stop them.

[Black Orchid]

I'm not going to deny I don't give a damn if the terrorists end up in unmarked graves. It's better than they deserve.

[Bobby]

I'm not going to deny I don't give a damn if the terrorists end up in unmarked graves. It's better than they deserve.

Wait and see - they will rise again -
the Middle East wars will go on forever.

[brian ross]

ISIS would have started anyway. There would have been a different Baghdadi. It might not have been called "ISIS". It matters not. There was al Q'aeda in Iraq before ISIS. ISIS was just more extreme (to the point that they were ejected from al Q'aeda because of their violence). ISIS was going to happen eventually.

What you are essentially suggesting is a war crime, Bobby. Is that really something you'd like the West do? I thought the West was supposedly morally superior to the Islamist view of such matters. Was I mistaken?

dear Brian,
It was Bush who said that it would end in unmarked graves for them and I agree with him.
Some would call it a war crime but I don't see any other way to stop them.

Bush was an idiot and a fool. He was proposing and you are also proposing a war crime be committed. Essentially what you want is to murder ePoWs, Bobby. It wasn't right when the Nazis did it. It wasn't right when the Japanese did it. It wasn't right when the Vietnamese did it. Tsk. tsk.

[brian ross]

I'm not going to deny I don't give a damn if the terrorists end up in unmarked graves. It's better than they deserve.

Another who proposes a war crime. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Such a willingness to cede the moral high ground, hey, Black Orchid?

[Bobby]

ISIS would have started anyway. There would have been a different Baghdadi. It might not have been called "ISIS". It matters not. There was al Q'aeda in Iraq before ISIS. ISIS was just more extreme (to the point that they were ejected from al Q'aeda because of their violence). ISIS was going to happen eventually.

What you are essentially suggesting is a war crime, Bobby. Is that really something you'd like the West do? I thought the West was supposedly morally superior to the Islamist view of such matters. Was I mistaken?

dear Brian,
It was Bush who said that it would end in unmarked graves for them and I agree with him.
Some would call it a war crime but I don't see any other way to stop them.

Bush was an idiot and a fool. He was proposing and you are also proposing a war crime be committed. Essentially what you want is to murder ePoWs, Bobby. It wasn't right when the Nazis did it. It wasn't right when the Japanese did it. It wasn't right when the Vietnamese did it. Tsk. tsk.

Brian -
Bush was right -
but now progressive thinkers in the US military
have applied normal humanitarian principles to the worst people who ever existed.
ISIS - beheaded people, slit their throats, crucified people,
burnt people alive inside cages, drowned people in cages and put it all on the internet.
They raped women and for crimes of not having a long enough beard a man could be crucified.
You don't apply normal rules to people like that -
you take no prisoners - any that do give up - you bury them in the desert and get rid of them forever.
That didn't happen so they will be back to haunt the world again.
It's people like you that are to blame - do gooders who don't know how to fight this kind of war.