ICAC anyone???

[Fred]

Ok, first swing at the forum. not sure if this has been touched upon so here goes.

Michael Lavarch to review NSW Labor after 'shocking' allegations at Icac

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... ns-at-icac
Now I would have thought that Labor would have pushed a probe into corruption prior to this after the allegations (and convictions) in NSW ALP.
But I must take my hat of the new leader, Anthony Albanese, he has surpassed his predecessor by leaps and bounds.

Back to the topic…

It appears that time and again, ALP members are exposed to accepting payments from big business and rich members to pay their bills and don’t seem to understand it is the most blatant corruption in Australia. Now we see another internal probe to figure out what went wrong. Personally, I suggest they talk to the Coalition and stop trying to do things different.

McKay claimed the culture of “whatever it takes” – made famous by the former secretary Graham Richardson – no longer exists in NSW Labor but changes must be made to “reflect” that at head office, which should instead pursue a path of “accountability, transparency and honesty”.

I would suggest not going back to that culture as that was the culture Eddie Obeid and Ian Macdonald was in when they famously made decisions for their own self interests.

However, why did it take a new ALP leader to start an investigation of this nature? Is it really that bad with their support base that previous leadership were scared to appear to do the right thing?

Interesting considerations to be had here.

[Black Orchid]

Hi Fred and welcome to PA.

Maybe Albanese will turn out to be Labor's great white hope and I still don't understand why Shorten was revered as an idol by so many who maintain that Shorten was badly done by because the right disliked the man as opposed to disliking his policies.

Any and all, from both sides, should be investigated for receiving money from foreign developers like Huang Xiamgmo. Foreign donations should not be allowed period. There is only one reason Chinese funds are poured into a party, especially in an Aldi bag. Didn't they learn anything from Sam Dastyari?

[Fred]

Hi Fred and welcome to PA.

Maybe Albanese will turn out to be Labor's great white hope and I still don't understand why Shorten was revered as an idol by so many who maintain that Shorten was badly done by because the right disliked the man as opposed to disliking his policies.

Shorten only survived due to the fact the union who provided the largest financial base (as unions go) to the ALP, supported him along with many others. Take notice of who stands up to suggest Shorten was poorly done by and you will see the one constant is generally the union who supports their personal political ambition. Shorten was simply a show pony who would cower in the corner if time came to stand up against the criminal element within his union base.

Somebody said to me before, people opposed the ALP in the last election due to personality not policy. I can say on my part it was just so, even though I didn’t agree with some of the policy.

Albanese has started by standing against the criminal element of the power base, so nothing he does now can be worse than his predecessor, maybe he can rebuild the party and its appearance.

Any and all, from both sides, should be investigated for receiving money from foreign developers like Huang Xiamgmo. Foreign donations should not be allowed period. There is only one reason Chinese funds are poured into a party, especially in an Aldi bag. Didn't they learn anything from Sam Dastyari?

This China thing has seen much being said and much corruption being presented. I said in jest that the ALP should take lessons from the Coalition but really it is a concern. Umm cannot remember her name but the Coalition politician who held a liberal party presentation to meet Chinese business interest. Where Asio recommended Turnbull not go as the people who were there were considered to be suspicious. Xiamgmo was one of those people.

Hello??? Isn’t there an issue with politicians promoting events with people whom are questionable to the federal security agencies???

they didn’t learn from Dastyari, they didn’t learn from Obeid, but clearly they not worried about the act. They appear to be more worried about being caught in the act…

[brian ross]

Hi Fred and welcome to PA.

Maybe Albanese will turn out to be Labor's great white hope and I still don't understand why Shorten was revered as an idol by so many who maintain that Shorten was badly done by because the right disliked the man as opposed to disliking his policies.

Any and all, from both sides, should be investigated for receiving money from foreign developers like Huang Xiamgmo. Foreign donations should not be allowed period. There is only one reason Chinese funds are poured into a party, especially in an Aldi bag. Didn't they learn anything from Sam Dastyari?

Perhaps you should ask that question of the Tories, Black Orchid? Afterall, Gladys Liu has been a member of a Chinese organisation with close ties to the Chinese Government for over 10 years, yet according to ScoMo, that's perfectly acceptable...

You're the one who claims she criticises the Tories yet here we have a perfect example of you only mentioning the ALP's sins and ignoring the Tories'.

[Black Orchid]

I won't say I liked Shorten because I didn't. I was impressed with Albanese up until I saw him interviewed awhile ago re boat people. He was all for it and stood there with welcoming open arms. Come one come all. Living in one of the two major cities where all these people get dumped en masse and where crime in their enclaves is rampant I was disappointed. Hopefully his views there have changed too.

Gladys Liu is the Lib who arranged the dinner for Turnbull where ASIO advised him not to attend. She should have been dumped but it doesn't look like she will be. Nothing about it for weeks then suddenly this ...

"She has asked that she be removed from all organisations that have not received her consent," the statement said.

Ms Liu and her office are set to be “micro-managed” by the offices of both Mr Morrison and Treasurer Josh Frydenberg, who holds the adjoining seat of Kooyong, over the coming months after giving "a clumsy interview" on Sky News Australia that derailed the federal government's week in Parliament.

Ms Liu struggled through the interview with presenter Andrew Bolt, saying she could not remember being a council member of the Guangdong provincial chapter of the China Overseas Exchange Association between 2003 and 2015.

At that time, the association was an arm of the Chinese government's central political and administrative body, which later merged with the Communist Party's United Front Work Department.

In a statement released the following day, Ms Liu said she was "not clear" and "I should have chosen my words better".

She confirmed she had an honorary role of Guangdong Overseas Exchange Association, as well as confirming other positions as honorary president of the United Chinese Commerce Association of Australia and with the Australian Jiangmen General Commercial Association.

Labor called on Mr Morrison to assure voters Ms Liu is a "fit and proper" person to be in Parliament, after a string of allegations over her connections to Beijing propaganda outfits.

Ms Liu has also faced a string of questions over her fundraising activities, which have raised more than $1 million for the Liberals.

The Victorian division was forced to cancel a $750-a-head party fundraiser last month, which promoted Ms Liu as the night’s "celebrity auctioneer".

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... 5306r.html

they didn’t learn from Dastyari, they didn’t learn from Obeid, but clearly they not worried about the act. They appear to be more worried about being caught in the act…

That's about the sum of it.

[Black Orchid]

Hi Fred and welcome to PA.

Maybe Albanese will turn out to be Labor's great white hope and I still don't understand why Shorten was revered as an idol by so many who maintain that Shorten was badly done by because the right disliked the man as opposed to disliking his policies.

Any and all, from both sides, should be investigated for receiving money from foreign developers like Huang Xiamgmo. Foreign donations should not be allowed period. There is only one reason Chinese funds are poured into a party, especially in an Aldi bag. Didn't they learn anything from Sam Dastyari?

Perhaps you should ask that question of the Tories, Black Orchid? Afterall, Gladys Liu has been a member of a Chinese organisation with close ties to the Chinese Government for over 10 years, yet according to ScoMo, that's perfectly acceptable...

You're the one who claims she criticises the Tories yet here we have a perfect example of you only mentioning the ALP's sins and ignoring the Tories'.

For God's sake Brian are you blind or just habitually obtuse? I made a thread saying that Gladys Liu should be properly investigated and DUMPED a month or more ago and I haven't changed my mind.

Here's the link since your memory seems to be so poor!

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16750

Now how about commenting on the topic instead of following me around with your biased nonsense.

[Fred]

I won't say I liked Shorten because I didn't. I was impressed with Albanese up until I saw him interviewed awhile ago re boat people. He was all for it and stood there with welcoming open arms. Come one come all. Living in one of the two major cities where all these people get dumped en masse and where crime in their enclaves is rampant I was disappointed. Hopefully his views there have changed too.

I will defend Albanese here, I think he would be toeing the party line. He seemed to be good at voicing the party line when he agreed (or did not go against his principle values) but was quiet when his principles were crossed. I don't think he lacked conviction of his beliefs or politics such as Penny Wong, but that is yet to be seen. Currently, imo, he is preforming well. I will watch him but if he doesn't come up with decent policy well not much I can say. I am honestly saying I glossed over Shortens policy position due entirely to the fact I did not like him for his political lies and expediency. time will tell.

Gladys Liu is the Lib who arranged the dinner for Turnbull where ASIO advised him not to attend. She should have been dumped but it doesn't look like she will be. Nothing about it for weeks then suddenly this ...

Thanks for that, completely forgot her name. I noted As soon as the ALP questioned Morrison on this matter he tried to play the race card. I wonder if he realised just how bad an idea that was in reflection of Gillard playing the sexism card???

I am really wondering just what is happening in the background. The last time I saw anything like this was the scandal with AWB paying cash to Iraq to buy Australian Grain. You know, where Howard sent a delegation to the US telling them Australia would never do that. Until being caught out. The ALP were very quiet in comparison over this because they were complicate themselves it had been going on that long.

As far as I am concerned, she never should have been indorsed in the seat to begin with after that happened. Now it is used as smoke and mirrors. Just what is Morrison up to.

they didn’t learn from Dastyari, they didn’t learn from Obeid, but clearly they not worried about the act. They appear to be more worried about being caught in the act…

That's about the sum of it.
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[brian ross]

Hi Fred and welcome to PA.

Maybe Albanese will turn out to be Labor's great white hope and I still don't understand why Shorten was revered as an idol by so many who maintain that Shorten was badly done by because the right disliked the man as opposed to disliking his policies.

Any and all, from both sides, should be investigated for receiving money from foreign developers like Huang Xiamgmo. Foreign donations should not be allowed period. There is only one reason Chinese funds are poured into a party, especially in an Aldi bag. Didn't they learn anything from Sam Dastyari?

Perhaps you should ask that question of the Tories, Black Orchid? Afterall, Gladys Liu has been a member of a Chinese organisation with close ties to the Chinese Government for over 10 years, yet according to ScoMo, that's perfectly acceptable...

You're the one who claims she criticises the Tories yet here we have a perfect example of you only mentioning the ALP's sins and ignoring the Tories'.

For God's sake Brian are you blind or just habitually obtuse? I made a thread saying that Gladys Liu should be properly investigated and DUMPED a month or more ago and I haven't changed my mind.

Here's the link since your memory seems to be so poor!

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16750

Now how about commenting on the topic instead of following me around with your biased nonsense.

I haven't forgotten that at all, Black Orchid. However you chose to only attack the ALP in this thread - why? It appears you're the one who's forgotten all about Gladys. Dastyari is old news. Gladys is recent news. Why ignore her?

[Fred]

Hi Fred and welcome to PA.

Maybe Albanese will turn out to be Labor's great white hope and I still don't understand why Shorten was revered as an idol by so many who maintain that Shorten was badly done by because the right disliked the man as opposed to disliking his policies.

Any and all, from both sides, should be investigated for receiving money from foreign developers like Huang Xiamgmo. Foreign donations should not be allowed period. There is only one reason Chinese funds are poured into a party, especially in an Aldi bag. Didn't they learn anything from Sam Dastyari?

Perhaps you should ask that question of the Tories, Black Orchid? Afterall, Gladys Liu has been a member of a Chinese organisation with close ties to the Chinese Government for over 10 years, yet according to ScoMo, that's perfectly acceptable...

You're the one who claims she criticises the Tories yet here we have a perfect example of you only mentioning the ALP's sins and ignoring the Tories'.

For God's sake Brian are you blind or just habitually obtuse? I made a thread saying that Gladys Liu should be properly investigated and DUMPED a month or more ago and I haven't changed my mind.

Here's the link since your memory seems to be so poor!

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16750

Now how about commenting on the topic instead of following me around with your biased nonsense.

I haven't forgotten that at all, Black Orchid. However you chose to only attack the ALP in this thread - why? It appears you're the one who's forgotten all about Gladys. Dastyari is old news. Gladys is recent news. Why ignore her?

Honestly dude, is there some sort of prize in forcing others to admit some idea of political persuasion??? Are points scored on chasing people around the forum and attacking them???

I have to admit, I have not seen much of the forum yet but there seem to me a few posts that were simply attacks on other members for nothing more than their personal political bias.

So, I would have to ask, since I started the thread on the ICAC investigations into ALP donations and the failure of the ALP to introduce investigations into corruption in the party since Obied, I would wonder if you would like to engage on the topic or just brow beat others into submission???

Please feel free to tell me why you think I am wrong on the topic. Please provide some sources to support your belief and perhaps give me a reasonable theory as to why previous corrupt activity was ignored in this topic.

Then maybe we could compare the difference between the two parties. Unfortunately, you will be disappointed on that last aspect. But honestly at present you’re not presenting me with a good picture of intelligence, wisdom or education. I don’t mean to insult, I am not usually the person who resorts to such, but being new to the board, I always give others a fair go. So I would like the respect to have others return the favour.

I Hope, that from this you will engage in the thread.

[The Reboot]

I haven't forgotten that at all, Black Orchid. However you chose to only attack the ALP in this thread - why? It appears you're the one who's forgotten all about Gladys. Dastyari is old news. Gladys is recent news. Why ignore her?

Can't you read properly? Let me put it in big block letters for you..

Any and all, from both sides, should be investigated for receiving money from foreign developers like Huang Xiamgmo. Foreign donations should not be allowed period. There is only one reason Chinese funds are poured into a party, especially in an Aldi bag. Didn't they learn anything from Sam Dastyari?

Talk about childish.