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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by brian ross » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:21 pm

The4thEstate wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:44 pm
brian ross wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:45 pm
The4thEstate wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:37 am
I guess leftist globalist sellouts are leftist globalist sellouts the world over.
I wonder what you think of rightist globalist sellouts, 4E?
Name a few and I'll tell you if I have an opinion of them.
Rupert Murdoch... :roll:
brian ross wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:45 pm
In reality, the MSM is generally not Leftist or even Rightist. It uses the news to sell advertising which is how it makes it's money. If the audience prefers rightist stories, then it sells rightist stories. :roll:
Yeah sure, the MSM plays it totally down the middle.
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Not totally, I will grant you but I believe your bias is self-evident, 4E. Downunder, the MSM is generally considered right-wing. In Russia, it is largely right-wing. In China, it is considered right-wing because it is state controlled. It is all relative. The world is not uniform in how it applies the left-right spectrum. In Russia, what is considered "right wing" would be considered "left-wing" in the US because it basically supports Communism.

The US is not the world, 4E. I do wish you'd wake up to that. :roll:
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Black Orchid » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:28 pm

It's not just America. It's Australia and world wide. :roll:
Media Bias: Ask journalists, and they'll likely tell you they play things right down the middle. They strive to be "fair." They're "centrists." Sorry, not true. The profound leftward ideological bias of the Big Media is the main reason why America now seems saturated with "fake news." Journalists, besotted with their own ideology, are no longer able to recognize their own bias.

Despite journalists' denials, it's now pretty much a fact that journalism is one of the most left-wing of all professions. But until recently, that wasn't thought to be true of financial journalists — who have a reputation for being the most right-leaning and free-market-oriented among mainstream journalists.

If that was ever true, it sure isn't today, a new study suggests.

Researchers from Arizona State University and Texas A&M University questioned 462 financial journalists around the country. They followed up with 18 additional interviews. The journalists worked for the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, Washington Post, Associated Press and a number of other newspapers.

What they found surprised them. Even the supposedly hard-nosed financial reporters were overwhelmingly liberal. Of the 462 people surveyed, 17.63% called themselves "very liberal," while 40.84% described themselves as "somewhat liberal."

Media Conservatives: Endangered
When you add it up, 58.47% admit to being left of center. Along with that, another 37.12% claim to be "moderate."

What about the mythic "conservative" financial journalist? In fact, a mere 0.46% of financial journalists called themselves "very conservative," while just 3.94% said they were "somewhat conservative." That's a whopping 4.4% of the total that lean right-of-center.

That's a ratio of 13 "liberals" for every one "conservative." Whatever happened to ideological diversity? Please remember this as you watch the business news or read a financial story in the paper. You might want to take its message with a grain of salt. That's especially true if the piece seems unduly harsh on the free-market system and its many proven benefits. Or if it lauds socialism as an "answer" to society's ills.

This is an enormous problem for the media — perhaps bigger than they realize. A Rasmussen Reports survey in late October found that 45% of all likely voters in the midterm elections believed "that when most reporters write about a congressional race, they are trying to help the Democratic candidate."

Just 11% said the media would try to help the Republican. And only 35% said they thought reporters simply try to report the news in an unbiased way.

Rasumussen notes that this "helps explain why Democratic voters are much bigger fans of election news coverage" than others. They see it as favorable to their own beliefs.

Media Bias Is Real
Even so, that doesn't keep people from seeing the harsh reality of bias.

A post-election survey of 1,000 voters by McLaughlin & Associates found that "a forceful plurality (48%) of respondents believe the media coverage is unfair and biased" against President Trump. Even 16% of Democrats agreed.

It used to be thought that, sure, the cultural beat writers, book reviewers and Op-Ed writers all shared a common intellectual bent and thus were more likely to be left-leaning than other reporters. But these recent studies show that's not true. The taint of bias now infects all of journalism, not just the cultural and opinion spinners.

Media Bias: Data Don't Lie
It wasn't always this way. Along-term study of reporters' leanings and attitudes, "The American Journalist in the Digital Age," shows that the drift toward liberalism has been going on for years within journalism. In 1971, Republicans made up 25.7% of all journalists. Democrats were 35.5%, and independents were 32.5%. Some 6.3% of responses were "other."

By 2014, the year of the last survey, the share of journalists identifying as Republican had shrunk to 7.1%, an 18.6 percentage point drop. From having near-parity with the journalist Republicans in the 1970s, Democrats today outnumber Republicans today by four to one.

Meanwhile, the share of journalists calling themselves "independent" has surged to 50.2%. In case you think the growing body of Independents qualifies as "the center," think again.

Repeated surveys show that independents are usually left-of-center on social issues, but centrist on fiscal issues and many issue of governance. So you should really characterize them as "moderate left."

A Reader Turn Off?
Bad news for journalists, and bad news for journalism. Because as Americans continue down their path of growing mistrust of the mainstream media, they will start looking for alternatives.

Will they find new, more trustworthy sources of news? Or will they just turn it off entirely? Either one isn't good for journalists, or good for America.

It's time the journalistic mainstream addresses this problem. Smug denial is no longer an option. It starts with owners, publishers and editors demanding fairness in their reporting and weeding out obvious bias. While they're at it, they should elevate the idea of unbiased news coverage to a goal, even if it's not attainable.
https://www.investors.com/politics/edit ... eft-study/

You must live under a rock but it's not surprising as you can't even recognise your own very strong and extremely left bias. I mean, my God, you see yourself as a centrist! :shock: :shock:

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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by brian ross » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:21 pm

Oh, I recognise that I am biased towards the Left, Black Orchid. I reside just to the Left of the centre line. The Left is where decency and humanity resides. The Right? That is where selfishness and hatred lives quite happily. It is where all the phobias reside. You know, Islamophobia, Anti-Semitism, anti-Unionism, Racism, etc. You suffer from some of those IMO, Black Orchid. You're out there well into Right Field. You'd be happy to see all the Muslims, all the blacks, all the Asians, rounded up and put into concentration camps. :roll:
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Black Orchid » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:48 pm

brian ross wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:21 pm
Oh, I recognise that I am biased towards the Left, Black Orchid. I reside just to the Left of the centre line. The Left is where decency and humanity resides. The Right? That is where selfishness and hatred lives quite happily. It is where all the phobias reside. You know, Islamophobia, Anti-Semitism, anti-Unionism, Racism, etc. You suffer from some of those IMO, Black Orchid. You're out there well into Right Field. You'd be happy to see all the Muslims, all the blacks, all the Asians, rounded up and put into concentration camps. :roll:
Brian you are so far left you should drown in the Indian Ocean and what you just said reinforces my view of the far left like yourself. Delusional, repetitive, unyielding, nasty and all too often violent.

Thank you! :thumb

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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by brian ross » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:36 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:48 pm
brian ross wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:21 pm
Oh, I recognise that I am biased towards the Left, Black Orchid. I reside just to the Left of the centre line. The Left is where decency and humanity resides. The Right? That is where selfishness and hatred lives quite happily. It is where all the phobias reside. You know, Islamophobia, Anti-Semitism, anti-Unionism, Racism, etc. You suffer from some of those IMO, Black Orchid. You're out there well into Right Field. You'd be happy to see all the Muslims, all the blacks, all the Asians, rounded up and put into concentration camps. :roll:
Brian you are so far left you should drown in the Indian Ocean and what you just said reinforces my view of the far left like yourself. Delusional, repetitive, unyielding, nasty and all too often violent.

Thank you! :thumb
If you believe I am out in the Far Left, then so be it. You're obviously out there on the Far Right, Black Orchid. :roll:

In reality, I believe I am very much just to the left of centre in my political views. I don't believe in Communism. I support Socialism (and yes there is a difference between the two). I am more of a Fabian Socialist. I believe in a mixed-economy, with society providing a social safety net for those in need, an adequate old age pension, socialised medicine and help for the disabled. Free education at all levels, for all. We need to protect the poor, the environment and of course, ourselves with a strong defence force. We need to protect workers' rights and allow Unions to flourish. I believe in allowing free enterprise to flourish with adequate taxation to support it all. I know this all runs counter to what you believe I believe in, Black Orchid but hey, them's the breaks.

Now I've put my political views on the table. lets see yours. That is if you're brave enough to tell us. :roll:
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by brian ross » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:11 pm

Nearly 20 hours and no reply. I wonder why, Black Orchid? :roll:
brian ross wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:36 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:48 pm
brian ross wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:21 pm
Oh, I recognise that I am biased towards the Left, Black Orchid. I reside just to the Left of the centre line. The Left is where decency and humanity resides. The Right? That is where selfishness and hatred lives quite happily. It is where all the phobias reside. You know, Islamophobia, Anti-Semitism, anti-Unionism, Racism, etc. You suffer from some of those IMO, Black Orchid. You're out there well into Right Field. You'd be happy to see all the Muslims, all the blacks, all the Asians, rounded up and put into concentration camps. :roll:
Brian you are so far left you should drown in the Indian Ocean and what you just said reinforces my view of the far left like yourself. Delusional, repetitive, unyielding, nasty and all too often violent.

Thank you! :thumb
If you believe I am out in the Far Left, then so be it. You're obviously out there on the Far Right, Black Orchid. :roll:

In reality, I believe I am very much just to the left of centre in my political views. I don't believe in Communism. I support Socialism (and yes there is a difference between the two). I am more of a Fabian Socialist. I believe in a mixed-economy, with society providing a social safety net for those in need, an adequate old age pension, socialised medicine and help for the disabled. Free education at all levels, for all. We need to protect the poor, the environment and of course, ourselves with a strong defence force. We need to protect workers' rights and allow Unions to flourish. I believe in allowing free enterprise to flourish with adequate taxation to support it all. I know this all runs counter to what you believe I believe in, Black Orchid but hey, them's the breaks.

Now I've put my political views on the table. lets see yours. That is if you're brave enough to tell us. :roll:
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Black Orchid » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:47 pm

brian ross wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:11 pm
Nearly 20 hours and no reply. I wonder why, Black Orchid? :roll:
brian ross wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:36 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:48 pm
brian ross wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:21 pm
Oh, I recognise that I am biased towards the Left, Black Orchid. I reside just to the Left of the centre line. The Left is where decency and humanity resides. The Right? That is where selfishness and hatred lives quite happily. It is where all the phobias reside. You know, Islamophobia, Anti-Semitism, anti-Unionism, Racism, etc. You suffer from some of those IMO, Black Orchid. You're out there well into Right Field. You'd be happy to see all the Muslims, all the blacks, all the Asians, rounded up and put into concentration camps. :roll:
Brian you are so far left you should drown in the Indian Ocean and what you just said reinforces my view of the far left like yourself. Delusional, repetitive, unyielding, nasty and all too often violent.

Thank you! :thumb
If you believe I am out in the Far Left, then so be it. You're obviously out there on the Far Right, Black Orchid. :roll:

In reality, I believe I am very much just to the left of centre in my political views. I don't believe in Communism. I support Socialism (and yes there is a difference between the two). I am more of a Fabian Socialist. I believe in a mixed-economy, with society providing a social safety net for those in need, an adequate old age pension, socialised medicine and help for the disabled. Free education at all levels, for all. We need to protect the poor, the environment and of course, ourselves with a strong defence force. We need to protect workers' rights and allow Unions to flourish. I believe in allowing free enterprise to flourish with adequate taxation to support it all. I know this all runs counter to what you believe I believe in, Black Orchid but hey, them's the breaks.

Now I've put my political views on the table. lets see yours. That is if you're brave enough to tell us. :roll:
Because, Brian, I don't see it worthy of a reply. Even when I condemn the Libs you screech "Tory Tory Tory" and go off on some irrelevant tangent. I have never seen you criticise Labor! Not ever! I sit in the middle and swing depending on policy and NOT for the party, any party. Something you rusted-ons should consider. It's called balance.

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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by sprintcyclist » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:12 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:47 pm

...................... I sit in the middle and swing depending on policy and NOT for the party, any party. Something you rusted-ons should consider. It's called balance.
Balance ...... I have heard of that concept.
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by brian ross » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:57 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:47 pm
brian ross wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:11 pm
Nearly 20 hours and no reply. I wonder why, Black Orchid? :roll:
brian ross wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:36 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:48 pm
brian ross wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:21 pm
Oh, I recognise that I am biased towards the Left, Black Orchid. I reside just to the Left of the centre line. The Left is where decency and humanity resides. The Right? That is where selfishness and hatred lives quite happily. It is where all the phobias reside. You know, Islamophobia, Anti-Semitism, anti-Unionism, Racism, etc. You suffer from some of those IMO, Black Orchid. You're out there well into Right Field. You'd be happy to see all the Muslims, all the blacks, all the Asians, rounded up and put into concentration camps. :roll:
Brian you are so far left you should drown in the Indian Ocean and what you just said reinforces my view of the far left like yourself. Delusional, repetitive, unyielding, nasty and all too often violent.

Thank you! :thumb
If you believe I am out in the Far Left, then so be it. You're obviously out there on the Far Right, Black Orchid. :roll:

In reality, I believe I am very much just to the left of centre in my political views. I don't believe in Communism. I support Socialism (and yes there is a difference between the two). I am more of a Fabian Socialist. I believe in a mixed-economy, with society providing a social safety net for those in need, an adequate old age pension, socialised medicine and help for the disabled. Free education at all levels, for all. We need to protect the poor, the environment and of course, ourselves with a strong defence force. We need to protect workers' rights and allow Unions to flourish. I believe in allowing free enterprise to flourish with adequate taxation to support it all. I know this all runs counter to what you believe I believe in, Black Orchid but hey, them's the breaks.

Now I've put my political views on the table. lets see yours. That is if you're brave enough to tell us. :roll:
Because, Brian, I don't see it worthy of a reply. Even when I condemn the Libs you screech "Tory Tory Tory" and go off on some irrelevant tangent. I have never seen you criticise Labor! Not ever! I sit in the middle and swing depending on policy and NOT for the party, any party. Something you rusted-ons should consider. It's called balance.
Still unwilling to tell us what you believe in, Black Orchid? How unsurprising. :roll:

Balance works wonderfully if it is actually practised. I believe in supporting the ALP because well, it's the only real horse in the race. I don't necessarily agree with everything that the ALP has done or is doing. However, they are closer to my views than the Tories are, by a long shot.

The Liberal Party nowadays is not what Menzies created it to be. It has veered much further right and is now a much more traditional Tory party. Just as the ALP has veered to the right and stolen ground from under it.

Your idea of balance is to attack the ALP without worrying too much about what the Tories are up to. The Tories are a bunch of Muppets who couldn't organise a piss-up in the front bar of a pub on pay day. They are actively attempting to destroy the Union movement and are courting the extreme-right parties like the PHONies. It is where they see their supports fleeing to. Tsk, tsk. :roll:
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Re: Greta Thunberg

Post by Black Orchid » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:21 pm

brian ross wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:57 pm
Your idea of balance is to attack the ALP without worrying too much about what the Tories are up to.
That's an absolute lie, Brian, and this is precisely why many of your questions are not worth responding to. No matter what I say you judge me otherwise and then run off in your delusional little thought bubbles.

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