Are Races Equal?

[Super Nova]

There are no human subspecies

I agree with Brian.

we are one race therefore equal.

However we are not equal in
- Culture
- Education
- Nurture
- Life head starts
- IQ
- Opportunity
- Wealth

Some of this, particularly life opportunities are far from equal.

Do not mistake that these inequalities have anything to with what is called "Race". If you stuck a whole bunch of white duds in Nigeria at birth and coloured them black (to not be discriminated against and be fully immersed), they would be no different to a Nigerian today.

[Bogan]

Brian Ross wrote

No, I have explained my position many times, Bogan and you have read it many times. "Race" is a social construct. It has no basis in Genetics. QED.

If you said that race had no basis in genetics in front of an audience, you would be laughed right off the stage. The reason why a Scandinavian looks different to a Zulu is self evidently because of genetics.

Brian Ross wrote

Except, as I keep pointing out, it is not supported in Genetics.

Only a complete fool could say that with a straight face.

Brian Ross wrote

When you have a scientific paper published in a peer reviewed journal to support your claims, bring it to me and I will read it. Until, there is no scientific basis for the concept of "race" as used by Racists like yourself. Genetics has overturned it completely.

Well, to begin with, you are a racist too. Would you like me to put up half a dozen of your racist rant quotes about white people again? I can give you a few links to some Youtube video's where some brainless African/ American activists are saying that it is impossible for black people to be racist toward whites. Perhaps you think like those dummies?

The scientific basis for race is based upon physical appearance, and that is controlled by genetics. If you told a forensic anthropologist that races do not exist, they would laugh in your face.

Brian Ross wrote

There are no "races" except the human one. QED.

Which is exactly like saying that there are no sub species or breeds. Too stupid for words.

Brian Ross wrote

"Sub-species" are genetic differences between members of the one species which makes interbreeding difficult if not often impossible, Bogan.

That is completely, totally, and utterly inaccurate, Brian. Single species that have members separated by vast differences and totally different environments, will begin to evolve away from the original species to become separate but related species. Where that happens, eg, a horse, donkey and zebra, the resulting offspring will be so dissimilar genetically that they will be infertile.

But sub species are different. In the case of sub species, the evolutionary process has not had time for the genetic differences to manifest themselves to such a degree that the resulting offspring is infertile. There are 14 sub species of brown bears and all of them are dangerous. They are all brown bears but two of those sub species are extremely dangerous. The Kodiak brown bear is extremely dangerous because of it's enormous size, while the Grizzly brown bear is extremely dangerous because of it's size and aggressive temperament.

Brian Ross wrote

Please prove to us that there are "sub-species" within the species Homo Sapien Sapiens. I look forward to the publication of your research.

Brian, you are not that stupid that you do not already know that human beings are mammals. What works genetically for brown bears and African buffaloes works exactly the same with humans. Races and ethnicities equates exactly with sub species and breeds. You know I am right but you will never admit it. If you and I were on stage in front of an unbiased audience, they would laugh you off the stage for pretending that you do not understand what is simple logic.

Brian Ross wrote

Does it? Please point me to a scientific paper which supports this premise of yours, Bogan. A failure by you to do so, of course indicates what about your claims.

It indicates, from what happened to Nobel Prize winner for Genetics, James Watson, that in this PC world we live in, it is dangerous for even one of the world's most distinguished scientists to tell the truth about races.

If you and I were standing in front of an unbiased audience, all I would have to do is to mention the undeniable fact that forensic anthropologists identify the races of skeletons from their physical characteristics, and the audience would agree that I am right. Anthropologists are scientists. And Anthropologists are interested in races.

Brian Ross wrote

Nothing dishonest about what I have said, Bogan. There are no sub-species within Homo Sapien Sapiens.

That is exactly like saying that there are no sub species of animals. Only a religious crackpot or a socialist crackpot could say something so stupid. There are sub species of every widely divergent species living under differing environmental conditions on earth. But you are implying that the same evolutionary imperatives that operate with every other species on earth can not happen to the human species. If we were in front of an audience they would have fallen out of their chairs and be rolling around on the floor if you said that. How do you say something like that which is so unbelievably idiotic and then pretend you can't see it?

Could you present a scientific paper which states that sub species of humans do not exist? Or that sub species of humans do not equate to sub species or breeds?

Brian Ross wrote

Homo Neanderthal or Homo Denisovans or Homo Floresiensis are distinct sub-species of Homo. They are extinct. Homo Sapien Sapiens interbred with them and absorbed them. As I keep saying, present us with a scientific paper, published in a reputable peer-reviewed journal which supports what you claim, otherwise you are talking bullshit.

No, they are different species from Homo Sapien Sapien. Like every other species on earth that evolved from the same genus, like Horses, Zebras and Donkeys, we were originally the same species until the members of the original species became so widely separated, that they began to slowly evolve into separate species. That did not happen overnight. It takes hundreds of thousands of years for any species to evolve into sub species. Eventually, they evolve so differently that their genetics are so mismatched that they eventually became different species.

Homo Sapien Sapien have spread throughout the globe and in 200,000 years the different members of our species have evolved separately to comply with whatever environmental climatic factors gave them an advantage within their particular environment. Just like every other warm or cold blooded creature. Just like the Brown Bears and the African Buffaloes, our species has sub species, that are identifiably different through environmental evolution. And like Brown Bear sub species and African Buffalo sub species, human sub species don't just look different, they act different.

I know that you are going to pretend that you do not understand what I am saying, Brian. But every other contributor to this page will consider you either dumb or devious. My own opinion is that you are not dumb.

Brian Ross wrote

I don't think you're lying, Bogan. I just think you are utterly misguided and so out of touch with reality. You are living a 19th century existence in a 21st century world. There are no sub-species of humanity in existence today. We can all interbreed easily.

All sub species of life forms can interbreed, until the time when they become so genetically different that they become different species. At that stage they create infertile offspring.

Brian Ross wrote

We are all Homo Sapien Sapiens, Bogan. That is what Genetics has revealed to us. That is what Genetics is revealing about most species today - Taxonomy is undergoing a revolution.

And Grizzly Bears and Kodiak bears are all Brown Bears. And All sub species of African buffalos, including the very dangerous Cape Buffalo, are all African Buffaloes. And Labradors and Pit Bulls are all dogs, but Labradors and Pit Bulls look different, and they act different.

Brian Ross wrote

I use the term "race" in inverted commas, Bogan because "race" is a social construct.

All abstract nouns are social constructs, Brian, are you going to put inverted commas around "sex" "status" "privilege" "racism" and "class", too?

Don't forget, next time some "indigenous" "Australian" mentions "Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders", tell them how racist they are. Tell them that their races don't exist, and that there is only one race, the human race. Don't tell them that when they are drunk.

[Bobby]

Dear Brian,
I fear that the science of genetics has been invaded by political correctness.
You're a victim of that.
Think clearly and make your own decisions.

[brian ross]

Bobby, the science is in. Genetics has proved that you are related, as is Bogan to this creature:

[Bobby]

Bobby, the science is in. Genetics has proved that you are related, as is Bogan to this creature:

Brian,
Sub-species has become a play on words.
We probably don't apply it because we don't want to be compared
with Nazis who used to talk about sub humans.

[brian ross]

Heydrich? I'm surprised that you'd use his poster, Bobby. Afterall, he was gay.

[Bobby]

Heydrich? I'm surprised that you'd use his poster, Bobby. Afterall, he was gay.

He was not.
Apologise.

[brian ross]

Nope.

He is named in The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams, Bobby.

[Bobby]

Nope.

He is named in The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams, Bobby.

All nonsense -

Hitler gassed homos to death.

[Nom De Plume]

Nope.

He is named in The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams, Bobby.

All nonsense -

Hitler gassed homos to death.

Check this out Bobby...
https://www.conservapedia.com/Nazi_Germ ... osexuality