Are Races Equal?

[Bogan]

Back to single sentence "arguments", Brian? Well I suppose it is all you can manage if you have not got a clue.

Under your own classification that "there is only one race, the human race", then the "race" which Australians call "aborigines" or "indigenous" does not exist. Therefore, you would have to agree that all government funding meant to overcome the supposed "disadvantage" of this non existent race should be immediately rescinded? If you do not agree with that premise, by what reasoned logic do you use to justify your position?

I will stand by for another one of your question dodging episodes.

[brian ross]

As I have pointed out, many times, Bogan, it is a shame that the fissures of "race" and poverty coincide in Australian society. When addressing the issue of poverty, invariably the issue of "race" is invoked by the Racists like you. "Race" is a social construct - it was invented to describe physical differences within humanity to enable invariably one group to dominate other groups such as White Europeans versus Indigenous Australians. You appear unable to understand that "race" has no scientific basis. Genetics has shown there are more differences, Genetically, within each "racial" group than between them. Therefore, from a Scientific basis, there are no "races", there is only one "race", the human one.

There is a difference between a social construct and a Scientific fact, Bogan, even if you refuse to accept them.

Extra funding is made available to address the issue of poverty and disadvantage, Bogan. If the Government(s) were spending similar amounts to address White poverty, I doubt I'd hear you screaming about it. Funny that, hey?

[Bobby]

As I have pointed out, many times, Bogan, it is a shame that the fissures of "race" and poverty coincide in Australian society. When addressing the issue of poverty, invariably the issue of "race" is invoked by the Racists like you. "Race" is a social construct - it was invented to describe physical differences within humanity to enable invariably one group to dominate other groups such as White Europeans versus Indigenous Australians. You appear unable to understand that "race" has no scientific basis. Genetics has shown there are more differences, Genetically, within each "racial" group than between them. Therefore, from a Scientific basis, there are no "races", there is only one "race", the human one.

There is a difference between a social construct and a Scientific fact, Bogan, even if you refuse to accept them.

Extra funding is made available to address the issue of poverty and disadvantage, Bogan. If the Government(s) were spending similar amounts to address White poverty, I doubt I'd hear you screaming about it. Funny that, hey?

But Abos look so different:

[brian ross]

Looks don't determine Genetics, Bobby. Genetics determine the differences between humanity and fruit flies or bananas. All humans are humans because they all share the same Genetic pool. There are no sub-species of humanity. Humanity is simply Homo Sapien Sapiens.

[IQS.RLOW]

All dogs are just dogs.
They share the same genetic pool.
The differences between a golden retriever, a dachshund and a pit bull are just social constructs crafted in unconscious bias and engendered through historic dogism.

[Bogan]

Brine wrote

As I have pointed out, many times, Bogan, it is a shame that the fissures of "race" and poverty coincide in Australian society. When addressing the issue of poverty, invariably the issue of "race" is invoked by the Racists like you.

Either you agree that races exist or you do not agree that races exist. You can't have it both ways. You can not frame your arguments to claim that one race of people should have advantages over another race of people when it suits you, and then argue the opposite when it suits you. That is a clear contradiction.

Brine wrote

"Race" is a social construct - it was invented to describe physical differences within humanity to enable invariably one group to dominate other groups such as White Europeans versus Indigenous Australians.

Every classification of plants, insects, fish, birds, rocks, stars, clouds, and humans is a social construct based upon physical differences and physical attributes. Sex is a social construct based upon observable reality, and now we have socialist lunatics like you trying to tell us that males and females do not exist.

Brine wrote

You appear unable to understand that "race" has no scientific basis.

Of course race has a scientific basis. Just like "species" and "breeds" or any other generalisation has a scientific basis. They are all just classifications of objects. Anthropologists are scientists and they are intensely interested in the races of ancient gravesites they dig up to understand how the human race spread. Forensic anthropologists aid police forces in identifying the races of unidentified skeletal remains.

Brine wrote

Genetics has shown there are more differences, Genetically, within each "racial" group than between them. Therefore, from a Scientific basis, there are no "races", there is only one "race", the human one.

Oh bullshit. The NAACP in the USA successfully lobbied Congress to stop funding of any scientist who investigated whether genetics and crime were linked. Nobel Prize winner and co discoverer of the DNA double Helix, James Watson, head of the prestigious Human Genome Project, had his career ruined by simply saying that in general, African people were not intelligent. What would he know about genetics? It's nice to know that in this PC world run by too many Socialists like you, we are still threatening our top scientists when they tell us things we do not want to know.

Brine wrote

There is a difference between a social construct and a Scientific fact, Bogan, even if you refuse to accept them.

It is a scientific fact, Brian, that animals, plants, fish, insects, rocks, stars, and humans are classified into generalised groupings of species, sub species, breeds, and genus's according to their physical differences and differences in physical properties.

Brine wrote

Extra funding is made available to address the issue of poverty and disadvantage, Bogan. If the Government(s) were spending similar amounts to address White poverty, I doubt I'd hear you screaming about it. Funny that, hey?

Brian, if you say that races do not exist, then you can't use the term "race" in your own arguments. You can't say that "aborigines" or "indigenous" Australians need more funding because, according to you, they are simply a social construct and they don't exist in reality.
If you really did believe that "indigenous" did not exist, then you would have to say that whatever funding was made available to help the "poor" (another social construct) must be made entirely on the basis of need (another social construct), and not race.

If you do not believe in the concept of race you would object to the name "Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders", which is a name which not only identifies groups of people by their race, it even differentiates between two different races in it's title. But you won't. Because like most Absolutists you have this capacity to think in terms of complete contradictions without even realising you are doing it.

And no, I see nothing wrong with the term "white poverty", because I am a racist and so I can use terms like "race" in my everyday speech. What I object to, is you claiming that race does not exist when you want for races not to exist, and then speaking as though races do exist when you can get some mileage out of it. That is a contradiction.

[brian ross]

Brine wrote

As I have pointed out, many times, Bogan, it is a shame that the fissures of "race" and poverty coincide in Australian society. When addressing the issue of poverty, invariably the issue of "race" is invoked by the Racists like you.

Either you agree that races exist or you do not agree that races exist. You can't have it both ways. You can not frame your arguments to claim that one race of people should have advantages over another race of people when it suits you, and then argue the opposite when it suits you. That is a clear contradiction.

No it isn't, Bogan. When you work out the differences between science and society, get back to us. I work within social constructs and scientific fact. I would prefer that Racism didn't exist as it is a pointless exercise in discrimination based upon physical environmental adaptations, nothing more. Racism is a dead concept in science but Racists continue to exist.

Brine wrote

"Race" is a social construct - it was invented to describe physical differences within humanity to enable invariably one group to dominate other groups such as White Europeans versus Indigenous Australians.

Every classification of plants, insects, fish, birds, rocks, stars, clouds, and humans is a social construct based upon physical differences and physical attributes. Sex is a social construct based upon observable reality, and now we have socialist lunatics like you trying to tell us that males and females do not exist.

[/quote]

No, they are not. They are descriptions of physical differences based upon Genetic differences. According to you, there is no difference between a plant and a Kangaroo, Bogan. An amoeba is not a Wombat and a Possum is not a fish. All are Genetically different. There is no Genetic difference between an Indigenous Australian and you. It appears to hurt you to acknowledge that, Bogan. Time you caught up with 21st century science rather than relying on 19 century bullshit.

Brine wrote

You appear unable to understand that "race" has no scientific basis.

Of course race has a scientific basis. Just like "species" and "breeds" or any other generalisation has a scientific basis. They are all just classifications of objects. Anthropologists are scientists and they are intensely interested in the races of ancient gravesites they dig up to understand how the human race spread. Forensic anthropologists aid police forces in identifying the races of unidentified skeletal remains.

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Race bas no scientific bass because it has no Genetic basis, Bogan. All humanity shares the same genetics. An Eskimo can interbreed with a Kalahari Bushman. A Bushman can interbreed with an Indigenous American. A Native American can interbreed with a European. A Mongolian can interbreed with a European. An Indian can interbreed with a European. We all share the same Genes. There are no "races" as far as Genetics is concerned. There are no "races" as far as science is concerned. You appear unable or unwilling to grasp this preferring to cling to your pre-Genetic 19th century belief that the physical appearance of a person determines their behaviour or their intelligence.

Brine wrote

Genetics has shown there are more differences, Genetically, within each "racial" group than between them. Therefore, from a Scientific basis, there are no "races", there is only one "race", the human one.

Oh bullshit. The NAACP in the USA successfully lobbied Congress to stop funding of any scientist who investigated whether genetics and crime were linked. Nobel Prize winner and co discoverer of the DNA double Helix, James Watson, head of the prestigious Human Genome Project, had his career ruined by simply saying that in general, African people were not intelligent. What would he know about genetics? It's nice to know that in this PC world run by too many Socialists like you, we are still threatening our top scientists when they tell us things we do not want to know.

I am bit discussing what other people believe or do, Bogan. I am discussing what you believe and what I know. "Race" is a social construct. It has no scientific basis according to Genetics. QED.

Brine wrote

There is a difference between a social construct and a Scientific fact, Bogan, even if you refuse to accept them.

It is a scientific fact, Brian, that animals, plants, fish, insects, rocks, stars, and humans are classified into generalised groupings of species, sub species, breeds, and genus's according to their physical differences and differences in physical properties.

Genetically plants, animals and humans are separate groups, Bogan. Humanity is just one species of animal. Homo Sapien Sapiens is a species of Ape. Genetically, we share a great deal in common with Chimpanzees, our nearest relatives. However, they and we cannot interbreed with them. We can interbreed with all members of modern humanity. This means we are all genetically the same. Just as all domesticated dogs can interbreed with all other domestic dogs. Just as all domesticated cats can interbreed with all other domesticated cats. Etc., Etc. When you face reality, get back to us.

Brine wrote

Extra funding is made available to address the issue of poverty and disadvantage, Bogan. If the Government(s) were spending similar amounts to address White poverty, I doubt I'd hear you screaming about it. Funny that, hey?

Brian, if you say that races do not exist, then you can't use the term "race" in your own arguments. You can't say that "aborigines" or "indigenous" Australians need more funding because, according to you, they are simply a social construct and they don't exist in reality.
If you really did believe that "indigenous" did not exist, then you would have to say that whatever funding was made available to help the "poor" (another social construct) must be made entirely on the basis of need (another social construct), and not race.

If you do not believe in the concept of race you would object to the name "Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders", which is a name which not only identifies groups of people by their race, it even differentiates between two different races in it's title. But you won't. Because like most Absolutists you have this capacity to think in terms of complete contradictions without even realising you are doing it.

And no, I see nothing wrong with the term "white poverty", because I am a racist and so I can use terms like "race" in my everyday speech. What I object to, is you claiming that race does not exist when you want for races not to exist, and then speaking as though races do exist when you can get some mileage out of it. That is a contradiction.

Poor, poor, Bogan. Still unable to face the reality that science has revealed to us.

I use the concepts of "race" because I am talking to a racist. If the Racist was willing to discard their views on "race" and instead talk about reality, I would not need to talk about "race".

[Bobby]

Looks don't determine Genetics, Bobby. Genetics determine the differences between humanity and fruit flies or bananas.
All humans are humans because they all share the same Genetic pool.
There are no sub-species of humanity. Humanity is simply Homo Sapien Sapiens.

dear Brian,
are you blind?
Can't you see that the Abos are closer to the apes than us?

[brian ross]

Looks don't determine Genetics, Bobby. Genetics determine the differences between humanity and fruit flies or bananas.
All humans are humans because they all share the same Genetic pool.
There are no sub-species of humanity. Humanity is simply Homo Sapien Sapiens.

dear Brian,
are you blind?
Can't you see that the Abos are closer to the apes than us?

Nope. Why? 'cause their Genetics show they are humans, Bobby - members of Homo Sapien Sapiens. You could, if you ever want to with some obliging Indigenous Australian woman, interbreed with her, although I don't think you'd find any one stupid enough to do so. Genetically you are basically identical with all other humans, no mater what "race" they or you hail from.

[Bobby]

Looks don't determine Genetics, Bobby. Genetics determine the differences between humanity and fruit flies or bananas.
All humans are humans because they all share the same Genetic pool.
There are no sub-species of humanity. Humanity is simply Homo Sapien Sapiens.

dear Brian,
are you blind?
Can't you see that the Abos are closer to the apes than us?

Nope. Why? 'cause their Genetics show they are humans, Bobby - members of Homo Sapien Sapiens. You could, if you ever want to with some obliging Indigenous Australian woman, interbreed with her, although I don't think you'd find any one stupid enough to do so. Genetically you are basically identical with all other humans, no mater what "race" they or you hail from.

No Brian,
humans came out of Africa.
the Abos are descended from the earliest homo sapiens and have been here for about 60,000 years.
They have hardly evolved in that time except to handle the hot dry conditions of Australia.
We probably looked like them 60,000 to 200,000 years ago.
We've changed since then by the process of evolution.
They evolved in a different way to us.
Also - they had no natural immunity to the dozens of terrible diseases brought
here by the Europeans.
They also can't handle alcohol as their genetics is not prepared for that either.
They are a subspecies of humans that will very quickly die out
by the process of natural selection.