Did Trump Try to Extort Ukraine Into Smearing Joe Biden?

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Re: Did Trump Try to Extort Ukraine Into Smearing Joe Biden?

Post by Mortdooley » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:49 pm

Trump’s latest election scandal—you may remember the first one involved Russia—began with an earlier Washington Post report Wednesday, which revealed that an American intelligence official found an interaction between the president and a foreign leader so disturbing that the official felt moved to file a complaint with the inspector general. The interaction apparently included a troubling “promise” from the president, implying an attempted quid pro quo among the leaders.


No credibility here, Mueller and a bunch of Hillary loving investigators couldn't find any Russian collusion but is included here as fact! Asking for investigations into illegal actions by Hunter Biden, considering his dealings with China is a reasonable request! There are a lot of skeletons in the Biden closet, no reason to ignore them considering how Trump has been treated. A little "tit for tat" is in order!
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Re: Did Trump Try to Extort Ukraine Into Smearing Joe Biden?

Post by brian ross » Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:44 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:14 pm
There's that "we" going on with you again Brian :roll:

I don't give one hoot about Biden either way but the fact is that he consistently acts inappropriately towards women and children and that makes him a sleaze in my mind but a hero in yours. Funny that.

It's not just locker room talk either. Google "Joe Biden groping" and then look at the many many images of a man who does not know how to act appropriately around women and children.

Your hypocrisy gives him a pass for that though and that says more about you than it does about me when you demand respect for him.
Your words betray you, Black Orchid. Suggesting a candidate is a "complete joke" suggests what about your attitudes towards him? :roll:
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Re: Did Trump Try to Extort Ukraine Into Smearing Joe Biden?

Post by Black Orchid » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:57 am

The latest media mass hysteria over a whistleblower’s complaint that, according to FoxNews.com “reportedly involved allegations President Trump made a troubling and unspecified ‘promise’ to a foreign leader,” is based on precious little information. That has not stopped journalists from convicting Trump in the court of public opinion and predicting his imminent demise.

Who exactly is this unidentified “whistleblower”? What is the specific nature of his or her “urgent concern” complaint against the president? Does this complaint really qualify under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act (ICWPA)? These are just a few of the most fundamental questions that remain largely unknown.

Despite the paucity of facts, some reasonable observations and conclusions can be drawn.

1. It appears that an American spy in one of our intelligence agencies may have been spying on our own president. The complaint suggests that this intel agent was listening in on Trump’s conversation with a foreign leader. Was this person officially asked to listen to the conversation or was he or she secretly listening in? We don’t know.

2. This agent, who is an unelected and inferior federal employee in the government hierarchy, apparently believes that it is his/her job to second-guess the motivation behind the words of the elected president, who is the most superior officer in the U.S. government.

3. Article II of the Constitution gives the president sweeping power to conduct foreign affairs, negotiate with leaders of other nations, make demands or offer promises. The Constitution does not grant the power of review, approval or disapproval to spies or other unelected officials in the executive branch.

4. The ICWPA law defines the parameters of an “urgent concern” complaint as an abuse or violation of law “relating to the funding, administration, or operations of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinions concerning public policy matters.” The president’s conversation with a foreign leader does not seem to fall under this whistleblower definition.

5. It appears the acting Director of National Intelligence (DNI) agrees with this assessment. His agency’s general counsel wrote a letter stating the complaint did not meet the ICWPA definition because it involved conduct “from someone outside the intel community and did not relate to intelligence activity,” according to a report by Fox News. This is why the DNI refused to forward the complaint to congress.

To put this in plain language, a spy who allegedly spied on the president does not have a legitimate whistleblower complaint against that president under the law. The ICWPA is a mechanism to report alleged misconduct by members within the intelligence community, of which the president is not. Yes, the alphabet soup of intel agencies ultimately report to the president, but that does not make Trump a member of that community and subject to its rules of conduct.

So, it turns out that the “whistleblower” may not be a whistleblower at all. But you will not hear that from the mainstream media. They are too busy lighting their own hair on fire.
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Yes Brian, Fox news. If you can use Vanity Fair ... :roll:

When will the Democrats actually try to work to WIN an election instead of hoping to win by default by trying to impeach Trump? My guess is never! Progressive left tactics. Lie and thrash and scream loud and hard and hope some of it sticks and all the while ignoring the foibles and corruption of the Bidens.

People are waking up to this all around the world. The left of old were decent opponents. The 'progressives' of new are a disgrace.

These miserable cretins should face the full force of justice.

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Re: Did Trump Try to Extort Ukraine Into Smearing Joe Biden?

Post by Nom De Plume » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:23 am

brian ross wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:44 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:14 pm
There's that "we" going on with you again Brian :roll:

I don't give one hoot about Biden either way but the fact is that he consistently acts inappropriately towards women and children and that makes him a sleaze in my mind but a hero in yours. Funny that.

It's not just locker room talk either. Google "Joe Biden groping" and then look at the many many images of a man who does not know how to act appropriately around women and children.

Your hypocrisy gives him a pass for that though and that says more about you than it does about me when you demand respect for him.
Your words betray you, Black Orchid. Suggesting a candidate is a "complete joke" suggests what about your attitudes towards him? :roll:
For Brian and BO... What makes one sleaze more worthy than another sleaze?
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Re: Did Trump Try to Extort Ukraine Into Smearing Joe Biden?

Post by Redneck » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:30 am

Nom De Plume wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:23 am
brian ross wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:44 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:14 pm
There's that "we" going on with you again Brian :roll:

I don't give one hoot about Biden either way but the fact is that he consistently acts inappropriately towards women and children and that makes him a sleaze in my mind but a hero in yours. Funny that.

It's not just locker room talk either. Google "Joe Biden groping" and then look at the many many images of a man who does not know how to act appropriately around women and children.

Your hypocrisy gives him a pass for that though and that says more about you than it does about me when you demand respect for him.
Your words betray you, Black Orchid. Suggesting a candidate is a "complete joke" suggests what about your attitudes towards him? :roll:
For Brian and BO... What makes one sleaze more worthy than another sleaze?
Be they Left or Right leaning usually! :rofl :rofl :rofl

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Re: Did Trump Try to Extort Ukraine Into Smearing Joe Biden?

Post by Black Orchid » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:46 am

Redneck wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:30 am
Nom De Plume wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:23 am
brian ross wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:44 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:14 pm
There's that "we" going on with you again Brian :roll:

I don't give one hoot about Biden either way but the fact is that he consistently acts inappropriately towards women and children and that makes him a sleaze in my mind but a hero in yours. Funny that.

It's not just locker room talk either. Google "Joe Biden groping" and then look at the many many images of a man who does not know how to act appropriately around women and children.

Your hypocrisy gives him a pass for that though and that says more about you than it does about me when you demand respect for him.
Your words betray you, Black Orchid. Suggesting a candidate is a "complete joke" suggests what about your attitudes towards him? :roll:
For Brian and BO... What makes one sleaze more worthy than another sleaze?
Be they Left or Right leaning usually! :rofl :rofl :rofl
Not true Red. I distribute my criticism wherever it belongs, left or right. I have yet to see Brian ever do that. I am not a 'rusted on' and was the first to state that Gladys Liu should be removed just recently and got criticised for that by Brian.

Why?

Because I am a "Tory". :roll:

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Re: Did Trump Try to Extort Ukraine Into Smearing Joe Biden?

Post by Nom De Plume » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:55 am

Redneck wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:30 am
Nom De Plume wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:23 am
brian ross wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:44 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:14 pm
There's that "we" going on with you again Brian :roll:

I don't give one hoot about Biden either way but the fact is that he consistently acts inappropriately towards women and children and that makes him a sleaze in my mind but a hero in yours. Funny that.

It's not just locker room talk either. Google "Joe Biden groping" and then look at the many many images of a man who does not know how to act appropriately around women and children.

Your hypocrisy gives him a pass for that though and that says more about you than it does about me when you demand respect for him.
Your words betray you, Black Orchid. Suggesting a candidate is a "complete joke" suggests what about your attitudes towards him? :roll:
For Brian and BO... What makes one sleaze more worthy than another sleaze?
Be they Left or Right leaning usually! :rofl :rofl :rofl
:rofl So sick of the left/ right dichotomy. I'm a pragmatist. for me, a sleaze is a sleaze, irrespective of their politics.
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Re: Did Trump Try to Extort Ukraine Into Smearing Joe Biden?

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Re: Did Trump Try to Extort Ukraine Into Smearing Joe Biden?

Post by brian ross » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:23 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:46 am
I am a "Tory".
If the cap fits, Black Orchid. 9 out of 10 of your posts which are critical of politicians are critical of the ALP and not the Tories, despite the Tories proving their incompetence. :roll:
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Re: Did Trump Try to Extort Ukraine Into Smearing Joe Biden?

Post by Black Orchid » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:32 pm

brian ross wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:23 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:46 am
I am a "Tory".
If the cap fits, Black Orchid. 9 out of 10 of your posts which are critical of politicians are critical of the ALP and not the Tories, despite the Tories proving their incompetence. :roll:
If the cap fits :roll:

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