The Death Penalty should be reintroduced.

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Re: The Death Penalty should be reintroduced.

Post by Bogan » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:48 pm

Sprintcyclist wrote

In a crime situation, if the offenders are possibly facing the death penalty, well, it does not matter what they do.
It can make situations worse for victims.
I don't think that is true, but if you can find some examples to illustrate your point then I will accept that as minor point against the death penalty. MY example against your assertion is, the Bega schoolgirl murders. Two men who were on parole, and who were facing very serious charges which would have resulted in very serious jail time, thought they had nothing to lose by abducting two schoolgirls in Bega, NSW. They raped them and then murdered them. Had they known that such behaviour would earn them the gallows, they might have considered that they had a lot more to lose, and those two girls might still be alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFbeb1shTZ0

In addition, the death penalty can be used as a bargaining chip by prosecutors who make deals with the accused. Gary Ridgeway, the Green River serial killer, who murdered over 60 young women, was offered a deal by prosecutors to plead guilty and give up the locations of the bodies, in order to spare him the death penalty when he was convicted. Ridgeway pleaded guilty, the state avoided paying for an extremely lengthy and expensive trial, and the families of the dead girls were able to recover their loved ones bodies.

Here in Australia, Ivan Milat was believed to have murdered several more missing young people, but had nothing to lose by not admitting to those crimes. The threat of the noose may have loosened his tongue and more murders may have been solved, and more bodies recovered for their loved ones to bury.
Sprintcyclist wrote

If an offender is deranged mentally or by drugs, they will likely not consider the penalties anyway.
I am not proposing the death penalty as general punishment for murder. Only for those who commit the most heinous of crimes, like mass murder, terrorism, the abduction and rape of women and children, serial killers, hired murderers, serious drug traffickers, career criminals who never reform, those who are jailed for murder who serve their sentences and then kill again, those who murder while in custody, and those who kill or maim police officers and prison warders.
Sprintcyclist wrote

In the US they provide legal avenues for the prisoners, that costs all the money.
Under the British system, a condemned person gets no more than two weeks to live after conviction.

Australia has more than 60 terrorists serving very long sentences at $100,000 dollars p.a. to keep them locked up. $6 million dollars a year. Hiring a backhoe costs $60 dollars an hour, and a bullet costs 15 cents.

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Re: The Death Penalty should be reintroduced.

Post by Bogan » Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:54 pm

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I think that you are absolutely correct and, I have also wondered what motivates him.
What motivates Brian is that he is a leftist troll who enjoys befuddling right wingers and stifling debate with his dishonest tactics. He is not doing well on this site, but he is active elsewhere. I once got on a US debate site many years ago, and guess who I found there? Yep, our little resident troll trying out his debate stifling techniques on a bunch of unsuspecting Americans. And he was really making them mad. That is what Brian gets off on.

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Re: The Death Penalty should be reintroduced.

Post by brian ross » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:12 pm

Bobby wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:55 pm
brian ross wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:31 pm
Bobby wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:40 pm
Yet Gargasoulas took the lives of many innocent people & left countless others maimed for life.
Justice demands that he be hanged in front of the steps of parliament.
Justice? The taking of a life for a life, hey, Bobby? What you want is revenge, not justice. Are you prepared to erect the gallows, knot the rope around his neck and pull the lever yourself? :roll:
dear Brian,
If my country called upon me to do my duty then yes I would.
So would Hammer and Valkie.
There are some real men on these forums.
I have my doubts about you and the other's manhood, Bobby. You will need to demonstrate it before you're allowed any where near a gallows. :roll:
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Re: The Death Penalty should be reintroduced.

Post by Bobby » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:22 pm

brian ross wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:12 pm
Bobby wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:55 pm
brian ross wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:31 pm
Bobby wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:40 pm
Yet Gargasoulas took the lives of many innocent people & left countless others maimed for life.
Justice demands that he be hanged in front of the steps of parliament.
Justice? The taking of a life for a life, hey, Bobby? What you want is revenge, not justice. Are you prepared to erect the gallows, knot the rope around his neck and pull the lever yourself? :roll:
dear Brian,
If my country called upon me to do my duty then yes I would.
So would Hammer and Valkie.
There are some real men on these forums.
I have my doubts about you and the other's manhood, Bobby. You will need to demonstrate it before you're allowed any where near a gallows. :roll:

Dear Brian - you need to watch this movie:


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Re: The Death Penalty should be reintroduced.

Post by brian ross » Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:52 pm

Bobby wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:22 pm
brian ross wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:12 pm
Bobby wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:55 pm
brian ross wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:31 pm
Bobby wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:40 pm
Yet Gargasoulas took the lives of many innocent people & left countless others maimed for life.
Justice demands that he be hanged in front of the steps of parliament.
Justice? The taking of a life for a life, hey, Bobby? What you want is revenge, not justice. Are you prepared to erect the gallows, knot the rope around his neck and pull the lever yourself? :roll:
dear Brian,
If my country called upon me to do my duty then yes I would.
So would Hammer and Valkie.
There are some real men on these forums.
I have my doubts about you and the other's manhood, Bobby. You will need to demonstrate it before you're allowed any where near a gallows. :roll:
Dear Brian - you need to watch this movie:

A Youtube fantasy, Bobby? You'll have to come out into the real world before your allowed anywhere near a gallows, boyo. :roll:
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Re: The Death Penalty should be reintroduced.

Post by Bobby » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:02 pm

brian ross wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:52 pm
Bobby wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:22 pm


Dear Brian - you need to watch this movie:

A Youtube fantasy, Bobby? You'll have to come out into the real world before your allowed anywhere near a gallows, boyo. :roll:

Fort Grant - a town where justice was meted out.
A hanging fever grips the town where the answer to every problem is
to hang em and hang em high.

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Re: The Death Penalty should be reintroduced.

Post by brian ross » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:07 pm

Bobby wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:02 pm
Fort Grant - a town where justice was meted out.
A hanging fever grips the town where the answer to every problem is
to hang em and hang em high.
Fort Grant, a fantasy town created for a Hollywod movie, Bobby. You really need to connect with reality, you realise? :roll:
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Re: The Death Penalty should be reintroduced.

Post by Bobby » Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:23 pm

brian ross wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:07 pm
Bobby wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:02 pm
Fort Grant - a town where justice was meted out.
A hanging fever grips the town where the answer to every problem is
to hang em and hang em high.
Fort Grant, a fantasy town created for a Hollywod movie, Bobby. You really need to connect with reality, you realise? :roll:

Based on truth:
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=_x ... gs&f=false


Judge Isaac Charles Parker:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Parker

Parker became known as the "Hanging Judge" of the American Old West due to the large number of convicts whom he sentenced to death.[1] In 21 years on the federal bench, Judge Parker tried 13,490 cases. In more than 8,500 of these cases, the defendant either pleaded guilty or was convicted at trial.[2] Parker sentenced 160 people to death; 79 of them were executed

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Re: The Death Penalty should be reintroduced.

Post by brian ross » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:04 pm

The real Fort Grant, Bobby.

The real "hanging judge".

How many criminals did he or any other judge fond of the noose deter from committing a crime? :roll:
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Re: The Death Penalty should be reintroduced.

Post by Bobby » Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:45 pm

brian ross wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:04 pm
The real Fort Grant, Bobby.

The real "hanging judge".

How many criminals did he or any other judge fond of the noose deter from committing a crime? :roll:

dear Brian,
I know all that.

Your position contains an absurdity that someone
like Gargasoulas has the power to execute innocent people
yet Judges in court have no power to execute him.

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