Indigenous People

[Bogan]

Opinion posted on "On Line Opinion." website.

I have had a lot to do with Rehabs over the years. I even ran one in the early eighties as Senior Counsellor / Assistant Administrator. ( with my brand new Corona, the administrator had a Corolla, new of course) This was at Jodaro Aboriginal Hostel and run by Queensland Aboriginal and Islander Alcohol Services. ( QAIAS ).

Like all Indigenous Specific Services there was and is, almost unlimited government funding available. And taken advantage of. But no-one was giving up the grog ! So to keep the “Gravy Train” rolling, the Rehab had to be seen to be delivering some sort of “outcome” So, some-one came up with the brilliant idea of offering ( and delivering, still ! ) a Disability Support Pension to the clients as a strategy and incentive to attract and to keep people there.

This was, is, also occurring at Namitjara Haven in Lismore as well as Benelong Haven at Kempsey. Both Indigenous Specific rehabs in NSW. And over Many Years ! So what we have is, Many Thousands of Aboriginal people on D.S.Ps for nothing more that Alcohol Abuse. Yet in general good health. Just won't give the grog up. Pissed and partying every pension day curtsey of the Australian government.

An issue not discussed in the public domain. Nor will it Ever Be. Because of “Political Correctness” And the Aboriginal Victim Industry ( AVI ) would refer to it as “Attacking the Victims” Victims of Colonisation, and of course, Dispossession.

What a Good Lurk ! I can tell you what it is worth these days as I am on it ! ( DSP ) $700 a Fortnight ! Much better than the Dole ! With More Sympathy ! And Support ! ( if you're Aboriginal that is ! )
Arthur. Bell. ( Aboriginal ! )www.whitc.info
Posted by bully, Friday, 8 April 2011 5:58:49 PM

[brian ross]

Link please to your statistics...

Why? Not capable of using Google? How unsurprising. As you asked nicely, look here.

Oh BTW I have dumped on the children of today in another thread.....

Really? Where? Provide a link, please.

Now run along back to your kiddies playground and roll in the mud with the other kiddies...tsk....tsk….hhmmmmm….

No prizes for being second.

[Bogan]

Brian Ross wrote

Funny you should mention that. The number of University Graduates who are indigenous Australians has increased markedly from the days of Charlie Perkins, the first Indigenous Graduate (in only 1966!). Today, there are approximately 30,000 with university degrees. Hardly a massive leap, when on considers that only approximately 1,000 Indigenous Students apply each year to Tertiary education institutions to study.

Well, the first thing we should examine here is how many "indigenous" students graduate?

And whether they attain their degrees with much lower marking standards than other students?

Secondly, just what is an aborigine? Nigel Mansell was an "aboriginal" activist with white skin, blond hair, and blue eyes. When he attained prominence as an "aboriginal" activist most members of the public at the time shook their heads in wonder at how he considered himself "aboriginal" at all? The standard for who was "aboriginal", and could claim the bucket loads of aboriginal welfare, was set by Labor's "Nugget" Coombs. Anyone who had any aboriginal ancestry at all, could claim that they were "indigenous" and put their snouts and front trotters in the public trough.

This was the famous "one drop rule" in reverse. In the South of the USA, it became the law that any "white" person who had as much as a single drop of African blood, was to be considered a negro. This was considered by the progressive left as the epitome of racism. Today, the left uses the same racist formula in reverse, but strangely it does not recognise the racism. It is the usual formula, "when we do it, it is OK. When you do it, it is racism." Which pretty well sums up Brian Ross's debating style.

So we are getting a lot of people with even a few drops of "indigenous" blood who can get a completely free university education with living expenses thrown in as a bonus. No wonder "indigenous" people are flocking to uni. Of course, one wonders what they are studying? I'll bet science, chemistry, geology, and mathematics are not high on the list. It would be more like The humanities, like "aboriginal studies", or "gender studies", where blithering idiots claim that there 72 sexes.

Let's look at one of those lucky "indigenous" people who need taxpayer assistance to overcome their disadvantage caused by the oppression of the white race and white privilege. The subject is a prominent aboriginal activist, Larissa Behrendt

When Nungarrayi Price, appearing on ABC1's Q&A, spoke favourably about the Howard government's 2007 intervention into Territory communities. Bess price said of the Howard government's "Intervention".

Bess Price.

I am for the intervention because I've seen progress. I've seen women who now have voices. They can speak for themselves and they are standing up for their rights. Children are being fed and young people more or less know how to manage their lives. That's what's happened since the intervention

Larissa Behrendt sent a Twitter message to ABC radio presenter Rhianna Patrick, saying: "I watched a show where a guy had sex with a horse and I'm sure it was less offensive than Bess Price."

Larissa Behrendt she despises real activists like Bess Price who speak the truth on aboriginal demotic violence and social dysfunction, because Bess came from those dysfunctional camps, she was a victim of domestic violence herself, and she once lived in a humpie.

Behrendt was born in 1969 and grew up mainly in the middle-class Sydney suburb of Gymea on Port Hacking in the Sutherland Shire. Neither she nor her parents came from an Aboriginal community. Her half caste Aboriginal father Paul was an air traffic controller, her white mother Raema an accountant. A shire girl from the shores of Port Hacking is about as culturally distant as it is possible to be from the sorry females in the blacks' camps of Alice Springs.

Her father claimed he was part of the so called "stolen generations" but the records show that he was abandoned by his white father when his mother died and was put into care.

Never a brilliant student, as she admits, she nonetheless gained a coveted undergraduate place in the law school at the University of NSW. After graduating in 1992, she won a scholarship to Harvard University, where she completed a master's degree and doctorate on Aboriginal policy. Larissa admitted that in her undergraduate degree, "I hadn't got particularly high marks". In an age of affirmative action in higher education, however, she fitted the required profile. "I think Harvard saw a gap in their intake," she explained.

Returning to Australia aged just 29, she was made professor of law at the University of Technology, Sydney and director of the Jumbunna Learning Centre for indigenous students. She was the Australian of the Year for NSW, and was Indigenous Person of the Year in 2009, the same year she won the Victorian Premier's Literary Award for her second novel, Legacy. She is a director of the Museum of Contemporary Art, chairwoman of Bangarra Dance Theatre, and serves on several government boards. The Gillard government appointed her to head a review into indigenous higher education.

Some disadvantage. This accounts for the differences in attitudes from the "aboriginal" academic elite like Larissa Behrendt, and the aboriginal woman like Bess Price who grew lived in a humpie, in an aboriginal camp.

Brian Ross wrote

Rather understandable considering that only approximately 46% of Indigenous students reach Year 12 or qualify for Tertiary studies.

Of course, it is easy to blame the Indigenous kids for their plight. Why though, aren't you heaping the same amount of insult on White students who don't complete Year 12 or qualify to study at University? Oh, that's right, that's 'cause they're white, right? Tsk, tsk

Well, I did not complete year 12 because it was not necessary to apply for a trade apprenticeship. Year 10 was considered secondary education enough to enter a trade.

[Bogan]

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Larissa Behrendt

[Bogan]

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Bess Price

[Neferti]

Indigenous scholarship program at Canberra Grammar School celebrates milestone

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14225

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[Bogan]

Thank you Neferti for your post. My suspicion that educational attainment for people who identify as "indigenous" is based more upon their racial identity than examination results, was confirmed in your submission.

"Mr Dyball says the scholarships arn't based upon academic or sporting ability, but on "resilience- Someone who is willing to test the edges of their capacity."

No wonder the aboriginal grievance industry, the Brian Ross clones, and the public service want to shut down debate on just who should qualify as "aboriginal". With $33 Billion dollars pa at stake, they don't want their pecuniary interests examined to find out who is really "privileged" and where most of the money is going.

[The Reboot]

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Bess Price

Wow. Ladies and gentlemen, we have found the missing link.

[brian ross]

Brian Ross wrote

Funny you should mention that. The number of University Graduates who are indigenous Australians has increased markedly from the days of Charlie Perkins, the first Indigenous Graduate (in only 1966!). Today, there are approximately 30,000 with university degrees. Hardly a massive leap, when on considers that only approximately 1,000 Indigenous Students apply each year to Tertiary education institutions to study.

Well, the first thing we should examine here is how many "indigenous" students graduate?

And whether they attain their degrees with much lower marking standards than other students?

No evidence of that all, Bogan. I have worked at Tertiary institutions. I have worked with academics teaching Indigenous students. There was no allowance made of their "race". Until you can present firm evidence to the contrary, let us just put that back in the bin, where it belongs. Afterall, you've never been near a University in your life, except to drive past one, right?

Secondly, just what is an aborigine? Nigel Mansell was an "aboriginal" activist with white skin, blond hair, and blue eyes. When he attained prominence as an "aboriginal" activist most members of the public at the time shook their heads in wonder at how he considered himself "aboriginal" at all? The standard for who was "aboriginal", and could claim the bucket loads of aboriginal welfare, was set by Labor's "Nugget" Coombs. Anyone who had any aboriginal ancestry at all, could claim that they were "indigenous" and put their snouts and front trotters in the public trough.

Except that their Indigenous ancestry must be recognised by other Indigenous people or groups.

The Bolter learnt to his dismay what the questioning of a person's ancestry, purely on their looks does to one's reputation. Of course, he told lies though, now didn't he? Tsk, tsk.

This was the famous "one drop rule" in reverse. In the South of the USA, it became the law that any "white" person who had as much as a single drop of African blood, was to be considered a negro. This was considered by the progressive left as the epitome of racism. Today, the left uses the same racist formula in reverse, but strangely it does not recognise the racism. It is the usual formula, "when we do it, it is OK. When you do it, it is racism." Which pretty well sums up Brian Ross's debating style.

Well, Whites set the standard and now you, on the behalf of Racist whites are protesting when it is applied back against you? Gee, and you wonder why I question your motivations, Bogan. Really?

So we are getting a lot of people with even a few drops of "indigenous" blood who can get a completely free university education with living expenses thrown in as a bonus.

Really? Evidence, please, Bogan. This is a new charge I've never heard of before. So, where is the proof of what you claim, hey? No where? How unusual for a Racist not to provide evidence to back his claims...

No wonder "indigenous" people are flocking to uni. Of course, one wonders what they are studying? I'll bet science, chemistry, geology, and mathematics are not high on the list. It would be more like The humanities, like "aboriginal studies", or "gender studies", where blithering idiots claim that there 72 sexes.

"Flocking"? Really? A thousand potential students is hardly what I'd call "flocking", Bogan. Your eyes are bigger than the reality. Tsk, tsk.

Let's look at one of those lucky "indigenous" people who need taxpayer assistance to overcome their disadvantage caused by the oppression of the white race and white privilege. The subject is a prominent aboriginal activist, Larissa Behrendt

When Nungarrayi Price, appearing on ABC1's Q&A, spoke favourably about the Howard government's 2007 intervention into Territory communities. Bess price said of the Howard government's "Intervention".

Bess Price.

I am for the intervention because I've seen progress. I've seen women who now have voices. They can speak for themselves and they are standing up for their rights. Children are being fed and young people more or less know how to manage their lives. That's what's happened since the intervention

You mean, the intervention which has by any measure, failed to achieve what it set out to do, Bogan? You mean the intervention, which failed to address any of the recommendations of the "Little Children are Sacred" Report on which the Government of the day claimed it was based?
You mean the intervention, which claimed it was created to break up Paedophile rings preying on Indigenous children which failed to find any such rings?

Bogan, the Intervention was a failure, pure and simple. It frittered 'round the edges but failed to address the substance of the problems facing Indigenous people. If anything, it made them worse. Tsk, tsk.

Brian Ross wrote

Rather understandable considering that only approximately 46% of Indigenous students reach Year 12 or qualify for Tertiary studies.

Of course, it is easy to blame the Indigenous kids for their plight. Why though, aren't you heaping the same amount of insult on White students who don't complete Year 12 or qualify to study at University? Oh, that's right, that's 'cause they're white, right? Tsk, tsk

Well, I did not complete year 12 because it was not necessary to apply for a trade apprenticeship. Year 10 was considered secondary education enough to enter a trade.
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Back in your day, perhaps. Nowadays? Nope, it isn't good enough. Admittedly, Government has destroyed the traditional apprenticeship system. However, most kids don't like being treated like slaves...

[Bogan]

Brian Ross wrote

No evidence of that all, Bogan. I have worked at Tertiary institutions. I have worked with academics teaching Indigenous students. There was no allowance made of their "race". Until you can present firm evidence to the contrary, let us just put that back in the bin, where it belongs. Afterall, you've never been near a University in your life, except to drive past one, right?

I presume that you did not even bother to read the last few posts? I submitted excepts from a newspaper article about "aboriginal activist" Larissa Behrendt's meteoric career as a Harvard graduate to a professorship, and now heads a half dozen government positions. She has awards galore, despite admitting that so "was not a brilliant student" and "I hadn't got particularly high marks" when she was offered a scholarship to Harvard, because she said, there was "a gap in their intake." (read, they needed a token aboriginal)

Next, Neferti posted up an article from the Canberra Times showing a photo of seven part aboriginal teenagers who got scholarships to Canberra Grammar School, not because of academic or sporting achievement , but because (according to the former deputy principle of Shoalhaven High) their "resilience."

Next I saw an article in the Australian how "aboriginal" doctors were being trained, but not as GP's. They could only practice on aboriginal settlements, which seems to suggest that they were not skilled enough to work in a general hospital or in general practice, but OK to work with aborigines.

Next comes the news from my own apprentices who told me that at tech, "aboriginal" apprentice electricians are not taught alongside everybody else, they are taught in "aboriginal only" classes where I presume the course is dumbed down. If not, why are they taught seperately?

The only evidence to the contrary comes from one Brian Ross, a white hating racist who is part of the public service, a service which apparently wants aboriginal people to stay dysfunctional and be their dependents forever. That is so that the public service can continue to mine the incredible $33 billion dollars p.a. forever. Just like the stolen generations, and aboriginal dysfunction caused by low intelligence, Brian, I think you know what is going on but you will never admit it. Because it is in your interests to never admit it

Brian Ross wrote

Except that their Indigenous ancestry must be recognised by other Indigenous people or groups.

Why would they need to do that if they look aboriginal? Oh, I suppose it is because they look a more white than black? I can see a perfect opportunity for corruption when a randy aboriginal man assesses a pretty girl who wants to be declared "aboriginal."

Brian Ross wrote

The Bolter learnt to his dismay what the questioning of a person's ancestry, purely on their looks does to one's reputation. Of course, he told lies though, now didn't he? Tsk, tsk..

If you don't agree with free speech, Briney, then congratulations. You have finally become the very person that you once fought against in your youth.

Brian Ross wrote

Well, Whites set the standard and now you, on the behalf of Racist whites are protesting when it is applied back against you? Gee, and you wonder why I question your motivations, Bogan. Really

Another double standard, that one goes in your "clangers" file. Your "logic" is, when the Southern redneck racists did it, it was absolutely evil and reprehensible. And we are only doing exactly what the racists did, so you can't condemn us. Yeah, that makes sense. Would you like to think that one through again, Brian?

Brian Ross wrote

Really? Evidence, please, Bogan. This is a new charge I've never heard of before. So, where is the proof of what you claim, hey? No where? How unusual for a Racist not to provide evidence to back his claims...

Brian, you know all about ABSTUDY, so stop pretending you don't know I right.

http://iher.education.gov.au/glossary#ABSTUDY

Brian Ross wrote

Flocking"? Really? A thousand potential students is hardly what I'd call "flocking", Bogan. Your eyes are bigger than the reality. Tsk, tsk.

If aboriginal students are not flocking to university, why is the government and the aboriginal activists always claiming that they are, which implies that aboriginal people are as smart as "whites."

Brian Ross wrote

You mean, the intervention which has by any measure, failed to achieve what it set out to do, Bogan?

Brian, $33 billion dollars is handed over to God knows how many aboriginal departments, elders, associations, boards, and who knows what else. The end result is that aboriginal settlements are anarchic, squalid fourth world shitholes. As Mal Brough MP said about the streets in aboriginal townships, "they must be paved with gold."

But somewhere along the line, massive amounts go into "administration" where armies of civil servants and aboriginal activists get to disburse the rivers of gold. Justice O'Keefe once said in one Inquiry over the levels of aboriginal corruption in ATSIC that "too many aboriginal elders were ripping off their own people".

Brian, you want this to continue. You and the departments disbursing aboriginal welfare would be out of a job if aboriginals ever stopped drinking and got a job. Who would need all of those public servants? So I can understand why you object to the government by-passing you characters with your sticky fingers and making direct handouts. And just like NAPLAN, you will do your best to sabotage it because it is against your interests.

Brian Ross wrote

Back in your day, perhaps. Nowadays? Nope, it isn't good enough. Admittedly, Government has destroyed the traditional apprenticeship system. However, most kids don't like being treated like slaves...

I was never treated like a slave. It was easy to get an apprenticeship because apprentices were cheap to hire. Then the unions lobbied the Federal Labor government to increase apprentice wages two and a half times. Companies stopped hiring apprentices because it was no longer viable to do so. Another triumph of socialism.