Are Races Equal?

[Bogan]

I was brought up to think that all races are equal. I became an anti racist activist and hurled abuse at the Springbox in the 70's. The reason why I became an anti racist activist was because it was at that time, the fashionable thing to do. It surprised me when I discovered that there really were intelligent people I respected who supported the idea of a white minority apartheid government in South Africa. Because I like to love history and social issues, I wanted to understand both sides of the issue so that I could debate with these strange people, who held what I thought at the time, was an opinion which was self evidently wrong, and was condemned by every educated and progressive person.

My first sources of information were from anti apartheid publications which explained the "progressive" view. These publications shocked me as they universally condemned the entire white race for everything that ever went wrong in in the world.. The publications went on and on about the evils of colonialism which they claimed was all the white man's fault. This did not make sense as I knew that since the white western withdrawal from colonial Africa in particular had seen every former colony go backwards as far as social development was concerned. In some of them, all the way back to barbarism. I began to take and interest in what the white South Africans were saying.

The more I read about the Boers and the Rhodesians, the more I admired them. They did not seem to be totalitarians to me. And what they said made sense. Races were simply not equal. Despite the fact that both Rhodesians and Boers admitted that there were black Africans that they liked and admired. The central issue was that most blacks simply were no where near as intelligent as whites, and that they seemed to possess a propensity for insane violence. They claimed that black people were simply not able to run a modern country because to do that required powers of reasoning which were quite beyond them.

So, there were two competing racist theories to explain black African dysfunction. Or for that matter, any minority dysfunction. One racist theory was that everything that whatever went wrong with the world, and Africa in particular, was all the white man's fault. And when blacks attained black majority rule they would march towards western prosperity. Former colonies were called "developing" countries as it was assumed that they were all on their way to western prosperity. The second was the white south African view, that the overwhelming majority of black people have low intelligence, and propensity to extreme violence.

Since the "blame the white guy for everything" explanation looked nonsensical, even offensive, to me. My opinion leaned towards the South African view. Races are not identical, they are different. As distinctive groups they have different "bell curves" of intelligence spread, different physical capabilities, and different personalities, although nurture does play a part in some of those attributes.

So my question is, are races equal? Please write at least a few paragraphs giving your reasons for holding an opinion either for or against the question. No sneery one liners, please. If you can't debate then go on Facebook and display selfies.

[sprintcyclist]

As you believe ' ....... Races were simply not equal. ..........'

As George Orwell said in 'Animal Farm' .... All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.


What country run by blacks do you want to live in ?
What country run by whites do you want to live in ?

Almost ALL of the most desirable countries are run by whites.
Almost ALL of the least desirable countries are run by blacks

[Texan]

If you look at averages, there are differences between races. Both physical and mental. There is variety within any race. I have white friends and relatives who are a waste of skin and I have black friends and relatives that are very honest, hard working, intelligent, and successful.

I have noticed that African immigrants who come here legally and based on merit aren't infected by the welfare culture and are more likely to be successful than black Americans who have been here for generations. I know engineers, lawyers, school teachers, nurses, and Baptist preachers from Africa. They work hard and their children are very smart and well spoken, often bilingual as well.

Having said that, there isn't a black majority country on Earth that I would even consider living in. America's government was the most free and most accessible government ever made. Yes, there were issues with sexism, racism, and slavery, but the system works and there is still opportunity for upward mobility by anybody willing to work for it. The system has slowly eroded for the last 100 years or so, in my opinion. The federal government is slowly assuming more and more power over the lives of individual Americans and states are losing their original intended influence, but that's another thread.

[Bogan]

Tp sprintcyclist.

Your post implied that you do not think that races are equal. If this is the case, could you write a reasoned argument as to why you think this way? Did you ever believe that races were equal? And if so, what changed your mind?

[Bogan]

To Texan.

You did not answer the question. So can I take that as meaning that you are undecided?

Your post was creditably even handed, as one would expect from someone who has not taken a position. You acknowledge that black run countries are dystopian instead of utopian, and that makes me think that you do think that there is some truth in the idea that races are not equal. But you do not want to commit yourself?

On the other hand, you quite correctly pointed out that you personally know black African people who are damned fine people. They are honest, intelligent, and hardworking. You may think that you are attacking and offending these same fine people if you agree that races are not equal. You may also hold back from agreeing with me because for the last 50 years, the western media and entertainment industries have promoted the idea that any person who thinks that races are not equal are complete idiots. And nobody wants to think that other people in their community think them stupid.

I am a racist, because I have made an objective decision that racism is correct. Indeed, there are only two explanations for minority dysfunction and both of them are racist. So either way, whether you believe that whites are responsible for everything that ever went wrong with blacks, or whether you believe it is because races are not equal, you have to choose between two racist theories. And that makes you a racist either way.

The racist theory I selected, is that races are not equal. Nothing that you wrote negates my position because I agree that there are intelligent and peaceful African people who are fine people. And there are whites and Asians who are as dumb as dogshit and prone to violent criminal behaviour. The problem is the population proportions in races as to intelligence and personality. And I think that you would agree, that intelligence can be a very significant factor in personality.

Scientific research by cognitive metricians have discovered long ago that there is significant differences in intelligence between races. In the USA, where interest in researching intelligence was very prevalent, statistical analysis over a long period of time convinced cognitive metricians that African Americans had a mean intelligence of 85, Hispanics 93, "white" Americans (which can include arabs) 103, and Asian Americans 106.

That did not mean that all African Americans were dumb. It was just that the proportion of African Americans or even Hispanics who possessed intelligence equal to whites and Asians was in a significantly lower proportion that that of the white and Asian populations. Further, in the great book "The Bell Curve" the authors found that whites, blacks, Asians, and Hispanics who had average to above average intelligences could form functional communities where they all got along just fine.

One suburb in Los Angeles was originally developed to cater for middle class African Americans like doctors, dentists, engineers, and other professional people. It was considered such a safe community, that contrary to the usual "white flight" from black areas, white, Asian, and Latino professionals started moving in. This seems to confirm that intelligence with it's usually linked personality traits of intelligent people are the keys to racial harmony.

Lastly, geneticists and criminologists know for a fact that genetics and violence are linked. They don't go around advertising that because they are academics and largely dependent on government grants for their living. Their position in this PC world of today is exactly the same as in the days when the Church held almost absolute rule. Unless they want to get publicly burned at the stake, what they say among themselves is completely different to what they say in public.

[sprintcyclist]

Tp sprintcyclist.

Your post implied that you do not think that races are equal. If this is the case, could you write a reasoned argument as to why you think this way? Did you ever believe that races were equal? And if so, what changed your mind?

I grew up in NZ with maoris and islanders.
Maoris are different to whites, islanders are different to maoris, islanders are different to whites, samoans are different to Tongans are different to fijians.

There is a family of Samoans down our road. the are often out playing on the road.
Lovely people, I almost always walk down to chat with them and we always wave to them as we cycle past.

[Texan]

To Texan.

You did not answer the question. So can I take that as meaning that you are undecided?

Your post was creditably even handed, as one would expect from someone who has not taken a position. You acknowledge that black run countries are dystopian instead of utopian, and that makes me think that you do think that there is some truth in the idea that races are not equal. But you do not want to commit yourself?

On the other hand, you quite correctly pointed out that you personally know black African people who are damned fine people. They are honest, intelligent, and hardworking. You may think that you are attacking and offending these same fine people if you agree that races are not equal. You may also hold back from agreeing with me because for the last 50 years, the western media and entertainment industries have promoted the idea that any person who thinks that races are not equal are complete idiots. And nobody wants to think that other people in their community think them stupid.

I am a racist, because I have made an objective decision that racism is correct. Indeed, there are only two explanations for minority dysfunction and both of them are racist. So either way, whether you believe that whites are responsible for everything that ever went wrong with blacks, or whether you believe it is because races are not equal, you have to choose between two racist theories. And that makes you a racist either way.

The racist theory I selected, is that races are not equal. Nothing that you wrote negates my position because I agree that there are intelligent and peaceful African people who are fine people. And there are whites and Asians who are as dumb as dogshit and prone to violent criminal behaviour. The problem is the population proportions in races as to intelligence and personality. And I think that you would agree, that intelligence can be a very significant factor in personality.

Scientific research by cognitive metricians have discovered long ago that there is significant differences in intelligence between races. In the USA, where interest in researching intelligence was very prevalent, statistical analysis over a long period of time convinced cognitive metricians that African Americans had a mean intelligence of 85, Hispanics 93, "white" Americans (which can include arabs) 103, and Asian Americans 106.

That did not mean that all African Americans were dumb. It was just that the proportion of African Americans or even Hispanics who possessed intelligence equal to whites and Asians was in a significantly lower proportion that that of the white and Asian populations. Further, in the great book "The Bell Curve" the authors found that whites, blacks, Asians, and Hispanics who had average to above average intelligences could form functional communities where they all got along just fine.

One suburb in Los Angeles was originally developed to cater for middle class African Americans like doctors, dentists, engineers, and other professional people. It was considered such a safe community, that contrary to the usual "white flight" from black areas, white, Asian, and Latino professionals started moving in. This seems to confirm that intelligence with it's usually linked personality traits of intelligent people are the keys to racial harmony.

Lastly, geneticists and criminologists know for a fact that genetics and violence are linked. They don't go around advertising that because they are academics and largely dependent on government grants for their living. Their position in this PC world of today is exactly the same as in the days when the Church held almost absolute rule. Unless they want to get publicly burned at the stake, what they say among themselves is completely different to what they say in public.

Of course races aren't identical. On average some races are more intelligent, some are more athletic, some live longer, some are more resistant to diseases. They are all different in one way or another on average. I've read about the average intelligence differences. To say that one race is better than another would be an opinion. By law and Biblically, all races are the same according to the New Testament and the organization of the first churches. I won't say that I'm better than someone or that they are better than me.

I will say that if I have a choice of being dropped off in a strange city in either a black neighborhood or a white neighborhood, I'd pick the white neighborhood and most black people would say the same thing.

[sprintcyclist]

.................. I will say that if I have a choice of being dropped off in a strange city in either a black neighborhood or a white neighborhood, I'd pick the white neighborhood and most black people would say the same thing. ..........

yep, people want to immigrate to white countries.

[Nom De Plume]

This is a very bad and misleading title. Humans all belong to the human race irrespective of colour or creed or culture. In that regard we are equal however this is not a topic about the quality of the human species rather this topic is about ethnicity and which of those is the best or better than the other.

[Bogan]

Texan wrote

Of course races aren't identical.

it looks like you are hedging. I know that races are not "identical" because races are identifiably different from one another in physical appearance. The question was 'are races equal'?

Texan wrote

On average some races are more intelligent, some are more athletic, some live longer, some are more resistant to diseases. They are all different in one way or another on average. I've read about the average intelligence differences.

Now you are implying that you agree with me. Why not just come out and make a direct statement?

Texan wrote

To say that one race is better than another would be an opinion.

Does that not depend upon the quality that you are seeking? Dark skinned people evolved to live in hot environments where clothing is hardly needed, so they have superior protection against sunburn as opposed to whites. Black African people excel at sports involving running, and other sports involving physical prowess. White people evolved in cold climates where the need for clothes negated the need for high UV protection of the skin. As such, white people are uniquely adapted to live in cold climates and they are better able to take up vitamin D in their skin. Black people living in cold climates usually need to take vitamin D supplements. Asians are similar to whites in this respect.

On the question of intelligence, the primary driver of intelligence is the length of a particular race's civilisation. Indian people are "black" but they have lived in an organised society 5000 years old, so many of them have equal or better intelligence than most whites. They have now launched two scientific probes to land on the moon. But most black races have low intelligence because most have lived at the lowest level of human existence, and they never needed to develop higher thinking skills. This makes most non Indian blacks unsuitable for living in civilised societies. Most of them do not have the intelligence to fit into a society where a certain level if intelligence is mandatory, or most of them just become a burden on the civilised society.

On the question of a genetic predisposition to violence. Such a genetic combination to extreme violence has been called "the warrior gene" and it would indicate that black soldiers would make extremely good soldiers, at least in a one on one duel between individuals. Although in those arms professions involving higher thinking, (fighter pilots and officers), one would expect that black warriors would be under represented, and that is the case. However, such a genetic combination of genes predisposing black people to extreme violence hardly makes them suitable for living in an organised advanced civilisation. A combination of low intelligence and a genetic predisposition to violence would see most of them become a criminal class. Which seems to be the case in the USA and elsewhere.

Texan wrote

By law and Biblically, all races are the same according to the New Testament and the organization of the first churches.

Well, I am not religious in any way so I am not interested in religious justifications.

Texan wrote

I won't say that I'm better than someone or that they are better than me.

That would probably make you a unique individual. Status symbols are the way that entire classes of people display their social identity and social superiority to others. Status symbols and brand names are extremely prevalent in organised societies.

Texan wrote

I will say that if I have a choice of being dropped off in a strange city in either a black neighborhood or a white neighborhood, I'd pick the white neighborhood and most black people would say the same thing.

A prominent black advocate did say the same thing. The Reverend Jesse Jackson once said about walking around in Washington at night that he "would rather have a white man behind me than a black.' Looks like he is another racist.