Thousands to attend BBQ at home of Perth vegan

[Nicole]

Thousands of people are roasting an Australian vegan who took her neighbors to court over the smell of meat and fish from their barbecue — by planning a massive cookout outside her home.

Cilla Carden made headlines this week for her legal beef, in which she claimed the odors from her neighbors’ barbecues had destroyed her quality of life, 9News reported.

Now more than 3,000 people are planning to attend a cookout outside her Perth home, organized on a Facebook page called “Community BBQ for Cilla Carden.”

“Don’t let Cilla destroy a good old Aussie tradition, join us for a community BBQ, and help Cilla Carden GET SOME PORK ON HER FORK,” the event description reads.

The barbecue is scheduled for Oct. 19 — and vegans are not welcome, the page says.

Carden’s legal battle with her neighbors began last year. Her complaint was tossed out of court earlier this year, and she filed an appeal. The appeal was also rejected in July, but she has vowed to keep fighting.

https://nypost.com/2019/09/04/thousands ... X19ScTNKSg..

[Black Orchid]

Apparently now 10,000 or more have shown interest. Stupid woman. How was it allowed to get as far as the Supreme Court to begin with? She should have been ordered to pay their Court fees as well. Maybe she was but I have not seen it mentioned.

[The Reboot]

Apparently now 10,000 or more have shown interest. Stupid woman. How was it allowed to get as far as the Supreme Court to begin with? She should have been ordered to pay their Court fees as well. Maybe she was but I have not seen it mentioned.

My thoughts exactly. The world has gone mad!

Why are vegans so fucking annoying?

[Bogan]

Black Orchid wrote

Why are vegans so fucking annoying?

As I understand it, Black Orchid, there exists within all populations of people a not insignificant demographic who have puritanical (Absolutist) personalities. Such people are not necessarily unintelligent, but just like psychopaths, (who are usually quite intelligent) they just don't think like other people. They tend to be drawn to absolutist ideologies where morality is black and white. They can attain leadership positions within these absolutist organisations from being so extreme and ideologically pure. Take vegetarianism. The most extreme vegetarians turn into vegans. One characteristic of Absolutists is that they just can't live their lives within their own belief system. They are so convinced of the righteousness of their cause that they demand that everybody else abide by their values, attitudes, behaviours, and moral beliefs.

Here in Sydney, a bunch of vegans went into a restaurant and started abusing every person who was eating meat or dairy. The woman in Perth who objected to the smell of cooked meat was acting out in a different way with the same intention. That is, she is demanding that no one even in her vicinity should eat meat. Classic Absolutist.

To a puritanical, Absolutist personality, there are no 50 shades of grey, only black and white. Moral priorities and moral quandaries do not seem to activate some areas of their brains that in other people deal with logical thought. An absolutist Muslim thinks exactly the same way as an Absolutist vegan, who thinks exactly the same way as an Absolutist racist, who thinks exactly the same way as an Absolutist anti racist, who thinks exactly the same way as an Absolutist environmentalist, who thinks exactly the same way as a left wing political extremist, who thinks exactly the same way as a right wing political extremist, who thinks exactly like a Creationist. The causes are different but the mindset is the same. Absolutists are unable to take an overall view of anything and make a balanced judgement based on that overall view. One historical Absolutist was the ancient Greek philosopher Draco, from where we get the English word "draconian". Draco proposed that every crime, no matter how trivial, was a crime. And the only punishment for any crime was death. Classic Absolutist.

One characteristic of all Absolutists is that they believe that those people whom oppose their beliefs, or even ask them to moderate their beliefs, are not just wrong, they are unspeakably evil. This is because they think that everyone who opposes them thinks in the same extremist way as they do, only diametrically opposite. Therefore, to an Absolutist, a person who says they do not believe in racial equality, is a not a reasonable person giving a considered opinion, they are exactly the sort of people who pushed the Jews into the gas chambers, or who burn crosses for the KKK.

As with all personality problems, there are those who may not be classic Absolutists, but they are walking around the edges of Absolutism, and in danger of falling over the edge. Examples would be people who exercise themselves to death, or young women who diet themselves to death. In every case, there is a compelling desire to think that if something is good for you, then taking it to the most extreme level must be just wonderful. Doctors have a lot of problems with borderline Absolutists. If they have a prescription which tells them to take four capsules per day, a borderline Absolutist would think that "if four a day are good for you, then twenty a day must be great!" They take twenty capsules at once and poison themselves.

[Black Orchid]

That was actually Reboot but I agree with her and you too

Most extreme and inflexible people have some sort of brain defect.

[Bogan]

Brian diagnosis.

Now, on the subject of Absolutist personalities, why don't we take a look at some of the statements of our mutual friend, Brian Ross, and see if we can connect the dots for a diagnosis? I got up this morning and went through my old computer to see if I had stored any more BrianClangers that were not in my new computer. And waddyaknow, I got some beauts that might reveal the inner workings of our arch Lefty at Political Animal.

First, let me state right here that I did not write my above post to conform to the quotes I am about to give you. I wrote the post and then discovered these quotes from Brian.

Now, I wrote in my above post that people with Absolutist personalities tend to see morality in terms of black and white. Here is a quote I discovered from Brian.

Brian wrote

Moral questions however, are absolute. They are binary in nature. Either you are acting morally or you are not. If you are not, then it is hypocritical to claim that you are and a falsehood. Such falsehoods are normally called lies by most people. Do you support lying, John? I'd hope not considering how often you use that as a debating point against your opponents.

I also wrote that Absolutist personalities think that their opponents are not just wrong, they are unspeakably evil. That is because they think that people who oppose them, and even people who just take a more moderate view to their own, think in absolutes like themselves. Any person who opposes an Absolutist anti racist in their crusade against racism is not just a decent person with a different opinion, they are Nazis.

Brian Ross wrote

I side with who ever is being persecuted, Jaxxen. You seek to return to the days of the Nazis. You want to be able to shovel people into ovens merely because they are different to the "norm" that you have declared to be acceptable.

Next we examine how Absolutist supposed "anti racists" and racists actually think exactly the same, but with different causes.

Brian Ross wrote

Everytime I lift up a rock I find a lot of slaters underneath which hate the light being shone on their activities and that is how I feel often about the US Government and many Americans

Which is a racist statement in itself. But Brian could not see it. Compare Brian's words with the words of Der Fuehrer.

Adolph Hitler Statement

Is there any shady undertaking, any form of foulness in which at least one Jew does not participate?
On putting the probing knife carefully to that kind of abscess one immediately discovers, like a maggot in a putrescent body, a little Jew often blinded by the sudden light.

When I first crossed swords with Brian on a debate site, probably twenty years ago, Brian drove me absolutely nuts. Then I figured out how he did it and I figured out a countermeasure.

I recognised that Brian had an Absolutist personality and such people think in terms of absolutes. The problem with Absolutism is that morality can never be absolute. Morality has always changed as changing times and circumstances alter the basic premises upon which a particular moral stance is based. And one moral position can contradict another moral position. We call these things "Moral quandaries." How does an Absolutist deal with a moral quandary? Easy. They just can't see them, just like Brian could not see the racism in his own statement about American slaters. Their mind has the ability to advocate an absolute moral principle they are pushing at that particular moment while ignoring a diametrically opposed absolute moral principle they are not discussing at the moment. And they can do that without gnashing their mental gears.

Another example? The Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Committees ability to ignore the human rights and free speech of the QUT uni students who complained about being chucked out of an "aborigines only" study room at QUT.

This is how I counter Brian. Brian's Absolutist ideology is so full of contradictions and double standards that he is unable to even recognise, that it is easy to box Brian in. That is why I can now drive Brian nuts. I pick out Brian's numerous contradictions and double standards, and I throw them right back in his face. The only problem is that Brian will never stay in his box because his mind can compensate with a kind of moral exceptionalism.

He may not live up to his own moral principles that he insists everybody else must abide by, but he never moderates his absolute position so he can. He still insists that something is absolutely wrong, while doing it himself, time after time, after time.

Brian claims that stereotyping individuals by their group associations is absolutely wrong. But he just keeps doing it himself. He has to, because human beings actually think, by creating concepts in their minds, which are stereotypes. I have caught Briney doing it so many times that you would think that a normal person would just say "OK, I see what you mean, stereotyping is obviously not wrong, because everybody does it to think." But no, Brian still insists that stereotyping is wrong, and I will continue to catch him out, over and over, and over again.

Can he recognise his own double standards and contradictions? He can. But it absolutely destroys his claim to moral purity and it causes him deep emotional stress. You can often see this when you point out to Brian another one of his contradictions, and Brian's normally calm and polite demeanour slips and he gets nasty. But something in his own mind tells him he can ignore his own absolutist moral principles, because his cause is just and pure. Here is Brian admitting that he is a sinner and it gives a glimpse into how he grants himself absolution from his own sins.

Brian Ross wrote

John, unlike you, I accept that I occasionally "violate my own principles". The difference is whereas you appear to glorify in having none, I know when I've violated mine.

OK, this statement is interesting because I have seen it on other debate sites with other Absolutists, like Brian. Brian is justifying his own breaking of the absolutist moral code that he insists is the gold standard, by distancing himself from the evil reprobates who do exactly what he does. Brian keeps his self image of being a person of unquestioned virtue, by confessing his sin and being saved. But his opponents are still evil because they are unrepentant sinners and they will burn in the fires of Hell for doing exactly what he does himself. It is a very religious way of thinking, and it is not surprising that those who are extremely religious think in exactly the same way.

Brian can believe in moral exceptionalism for himself and his comrades, but he considers it a Cardinal sin when supposedly committed by others.

Brian Ross wrote

As usual, FE you appear to believe in US exceptionalism. The US can never be judged as harshly as it judges others. Sorry, I apply the same rules to all.

Which is why you can push Brian into a corner with his own quotes, but never box him completely in. Because he never applies the same rules to himself or his comrades. His mind just thinks up another moral absolute which he insists must apply to his opponents, which does not apply to him or his supporters.

[billy the kid]

Therefore an absolutist is in fact mentally ill....

[Bogan]

Well-l-l-l. The problem with that analysis is that in other ways they function quite normally. Some of them are quite bright, and they are not an insignificant proportion of the population. In ome professions they may do quite well. Lawyers and mathematicians deal in concepts which by their very nature are absolute, so they attract Absolutist thinkers. . Something is legal or illegal. One and one makes two. The Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, was a mathematician. There are plenty of "human rights" type lawyers supporting Open Borders who also appear to be Absolutists.

I would opine that almost every one of those ANTIFA morons would be an Absolutist thinker, you only have to watch a few YouTube videos featuring ANTIFA spokespersons,where they justify their stupid behaviour, to figure that out. But they were still bright enough to get themselves into university.

[The Reboot]

Well-l-l-l. The problem with that analysis is that in other ways they function quite normally. Some of them are quite bright, and they are not an insignificant proportion of the population. In ome professions they may do quite well. Lawyers and mathematicians deal in concepts which by their very nature are absolute, so they attract Absolutist thinkers. . Something is legal or illegal. One and one makes two. The Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, was a mathematician. There are plenty of "human rights" type lawyers supporting Open Borders who also appear to be Absolutists.

I would opine that almost every one of those ANTIFA morons would be an Absolutist thinker, you only have to watch a few YouTube videos featuring ANTIFA spokespersons,where they justify their stupid behaviour, to figure that out. But they were still bright enough to get themselves into university.

I don't think you have to be bright to get into uni any more. The standards have dropped, that's why you see so many dumb fucks in high places. Self proclaimed "intellectuals" that study the 72 genders. The powers that be don't want thinkers, they want sheep that won't question anything and will do what they're told.

[Nicole]

I reckon Brian’s autistic.