Negro gangs, 60 shop invasions

[Texan]

The cops have arrested half of them.
Hopefully that will put a stop to it.

So what are we discussing then? Mmmm?

At the moment we're discussing your silly statements.

Silly in what way, Bobby. I'm curious...

I'm still curious as to what weapon you bring in response to your home invasion without bringing too much force.

[Bobby]

If one of them displays a deadly weapon,(knife, gun, club, screwdriver, whatever) I can shoot them. If not, I tackle one of them or disable them with a club, pepper spray, or stun gun.(stun gun fits in my pocket and puts out 10k volts) If they decide to gang up on me, then I draw my gun. I can fire a warning shot, but I am liable for wherever that bullet lands. They will either produce weapons or run at this point. I hold one of them until the police arrive to identify the others. Being an electronics store, there will be plenty of video footage. There is also a provision that you can use deadly force to protect your property, but it's not very clear and I don't want to kill somebody over stuff, especially if it's insured.

Since I have these options and the criminals know it, mass robberies (or flash mob robberies) don't happen very often and almost never at high end stores where stealing the merchandise constitutes a felony. If one is caught, they are all felons. If I justifiably kill one of them, they are all charged with his murder as accomplices committing a felony. Many businesses hire off duty police to wear their uniform and act as security.

Every once in a while, you will see a flash mob robbery at a convenience store. They will steal food and cigarettes mostly. Since the merchandise is not expensive enough to constitute a felony and there are only 1 or 2 employees in the store, the risk is low and the police are less likely to use very many resources on a misdemeanor crime. With security cameras outside recording license plate numbers on the cars, it's hard to get away with the crime.

This one happened about 20km from my house in South Dallas a few years ago. I don't know the outcome. I haven't heard of any others in Dallas since. I'm sure there haven't been many.

Thanks Texan,
we need tougher laws here just like in Texas.
Still - that poor guy in your video was beaten up by a Negro gang.
I hope the cops caught them?

[brian ross]

If only there was a way for a shop owner to protect his store and employees from violent crimes........

Warning: Someone is killed in this video.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bmYWc6ReJ ... verified=1

In Australia you're not allowed to use guns to defend yourself.

So if a violent mob walks into your home or business, you are not allowed to defend yourself. That sucks.

No, that is not how it works, Texan. You are allowed to defend yourself with what ever weapons you feel you need to do so - consummate with the threat that you are faced with. That includes guns. You are not allowed to own guns for self-defence though. Doesn't mean you cannot use them for self-defence. As criminals relatively rarely have guns downunder, you are unlikely to face criminals with guns. If you use a gun, you must demonstrate in court that you feared for yourself or your loved ones' lives. Criminals have rights and if you kill one, you must face court (usually on a manslaughter charge).

It's 2 am and you are awoken by someone breaking into your house and your house is dark inside. What weapon do you take with you to respond to the intruder? Does the intruder RSVP by text and let you know in advance how many are in his party and what weapons they will bring? How does that work so that you don't bring too much weapon as your response?

You know how this works in Texas. I decide between 9mm pistol, 12 ga shotgun, or AR-15. I make sure that the target isn't family or guest and light them up unless I can see them, see that they are unarmed, and they obey my commands. Meanwhile, my wife is waiting in the bedroom with her pistol while she calls the police. The only "unarmed" person in the house is my 17 year old son. He is bigger than most adults and swings a mean baseball bat.

What would I use? I'd use a broom. Most people don't understand how difficult a well motivated person can be if they had a broom in their hands. I've never needed it though.

In sixty years I have had my home burgled three times. Once in Adelaide, once in Canberra and once in Perth. In only one case - in Canberra was anybody home. What they did was they cut a slit in a flyscreen and reached in and stole my wife's wallet sitting on her desk. We only found out about it later that evening. In the other two cases, no one was home. Not much was stolen. A camera, some loose change, that sort of thing - undertaken I suspect by school kids looking for cash.

Most Australians like me live a safe, secure life without much interaction with criminals. Occasionally people might be involved with domestic violence and so on. If you don't live in the inner cities, you're usually pretty safe. My suburb presently has a 0.01% criminal rating.

It seems in the US that if you're arming yourself with three separate firearms, you must live in a violent society. How likely are you to be attacked where you live, Tex? How often is it a violent attack?

[Texan]

In Australia you're not allowed to use guns to defend yourself.

So if a violent mob walks into your home or business, you are not allowed to defend yourself. That sucks.

No, that is not how it works, Texan. You are allowed to defend yourself with what ever weapons you feel you need to do so - consummate with the threat that you are faced with. That includes guns. You are not allowed to own guns for self-defence though. Doesn't mean you cannot use them for self-defence. As criminals relatively rarely have guns downunder, you are unlikely to face criminals with guns. If you use a gun, you must demonstrate in court that you feared for yourself or your loved ones' lives. Criminals have rights and if you kill one, you must face court (usually on a manslaughter charge).

It's 2 am and you are awoken by someone breaking into your house and your house is dark inside. What weapon do you take with you to respond to the intruder? Does the intruder RSVP by text and let you know in advance how many are in his party and what weapons they will bring? How does that work so that you don't bring too much weapon as your response?

You know how this works in Texas. I decide between 9mm pistol, 12 ga shotgun, or AR-15. I make sure that the target isn't family or guest and light them up unless I can see them, see that they are unarmed, and they obey my commands. Meanwhile, my wife is waiting in the bedroom with her pistol while she calls the police. The only "unarmed" person in the house is my 17 year old son. He is bigger than most adults and swings a mean baseball bat.

What would I use? I'd use a broom. Most people don't understand how difficult a well motivated person can be if they had a broom in their hands. I've never needed it though.

In sixty years I have had my home burgled three times. Once in Adelaide, once in Canberra and once in Perth. In only one case - in Canberra was anybody home. What they did was they cut a slit in a flyscreen and reached in and stole my wife's wallet sitting on her desk. We only found out about it later that evening. In the other two cases, no one was home. Not much was stolen. A camera, some loose change, that sort of thing - undertaken I suspect by school kids looking for cash.

Most Australians like me live a safe, secure life without much interaction with criminals. Occasionally people might be involved with domestic violence and so on. If you don't live in the inner cities, you're usually pretty safe. My suburb presently has a 0.01% criminal rating.

It seems in the US that if you're arming yourself with three separate firearms, you must live in a violent society. How likely are you to be attacked where you live, Tex? How often is it a violent attack?

What happens if you kill one of them with your broom and find out that they were unarmed? What if you take a broom to a knife fight with 4 people? I don't understand how the law can expect you to only respond with equal force when you don't know what that force is until it's too late.

Nobody has ever broken into my home in 52 years, and I intend to keep it that way. My guns are insurance and worth every penny. They are a decent investment as they never lose value if I take care of them. I also have a safe, dogs, security cameras, and an alarm system. My dad is 76 and lives in East Dallas County. He has never fired a gun in his entire life, but he is considering getting one because at his age, he is much more vulnerable than he used to be. If he decides to get one, I'll see that he gets proper training and I'll practice with him. I've already made the offer and the choice is his. What has held him back from getting a gun is that he doesn't want to kill anybody, and I agree with that and respect his decision and won't push the issue. I don't want to kill anybody either, but I'll sleep soundly if I kill somebody to protect my family in my own home.

[Black Orchid]

As criminals relatively rarely have guns downunder, you are unlikely to face criminals with guns.

That is one of the biggest delusional lies you have spoken. You obviously live under a rock there in Podunk. Your ignorance is astounding.

Yeah, Black Orchid, every criminal has a gun, right?

Stop being ridiculous!

Yes, Black Orchid. So then, if not every criminal has a gun, why do you feel my original statement, "criminals relatively rarely have guns downunder," was ignorant? As a certain Red Headed politician likes to ask, "Please explain..."

Follow the bouncing ball, Brian. It is not "relatively rare" for criminals to have guns in Australia. Obviously many minor criminals don't have weapons but those involved with drugs, money laundering, the sex trade and violent crimes etc definitely do have weapons and these types of criminals abound in our major cities thanks to you and your ilk.

Oh and guess what? They don't have good old Aussie names either.

[Black Orchid]

The cops have arrested half of them.
Hopefully that will put a stop to it.

So what are we discussing then? Mmmm?

At the moment we're discussing your silly statements.

Silly in what way, Bobby. I'm curious...

I'm still curious as to what weapon you bring in response to your home invasion without bringing too much force.

The offer of a warm hug and a Qu'ran!

[Texan]

So what are we discussing then? Mmmm?

At the moment we're discussing your silly statements.

Silly in what way, Bobby. I'm curious...

I'm still curious as to what weapon you bring in response to your home invasion without bringing too much force.

The offer of a warm hug and a Qu'ran!

I prefer to offer high velocity lead therapy and treat their wounds with a bacon grease poultice. Old family recipe. (jk, or am I?)

[Black Orchid]

I prefer to offer high velocity lead therapy and treat their wounds with a bacon grease poultice. Old family recipe. (jk, or am I?)

Guess!

[brian ross]

That is one of the biggest delusional lies you have spoken. You obviously live under a rock there in Podunk. Your ignorance is astounding.

Yeah, Black Orchid, every criminal has a gun, right?

Stop being ridiculous!

Yes, Black Orchid. So then, if not every criminal has a gun, why do you feel my original statement, "criminals relatively rarely have guns downunder," was ignorant? As a certain Red Headed politician likes to ask, "Please explain..."

Follow the bouncing ball, Brian. It is not "relatively rare" for criminals to have guns in Australia. Obviously many minor criminals don't have weapons but those involved with drugs, money laundering, the sex trade and violent crimes etc definitely do have weapons and these types of criminals abound in our major cities thanks to you and your ilk.

My "ilk"? Really? Gee, I never knew that retired ex-IT gurus had such power. I am impressed, Black Orchid.

My question is, how many of those sorts of criminals, the sort that are involved in "drugs, money laundering, the sex trade and violent crimes," are there in Australia as against the criminals who aren't involved in those sorts of criminal activity? Is every criminal involved in those activities, Black Orchid or might it actually be only a percentage? Do their crimes affect more ordinary, everyday, non-criminal Australians or only a small percentage of those? Lets get a handle of this, shall we?

Oh and guess what? They don't have good old Aussie names either.

What? No one named, for example: "Adaliya" or "Angoona" or "Banalandju" or "Birrinbirrin"?

[The Reboot]

Yeah, Black Orchid, every criminal has a gun, right?

Stop being ridiculous!

Yes, Black Orchid. So then, if not every criminal has a gun, why do you feel my original statement, "criminals relatively rarely have guns downunder," was ignorant? As a certain Red Headed politician likes to ask, "Please explain..."

Follow the bouncing ball, Brian. It is not "relatively rare" for criminals to have guns in Australia. Obviously many minor criminals don't have weapons but those involved with drugs, money laundering, the sex trade and violent crimes etc definitely do have weapons and these types of criminals abound in our major cities thanks to you and your ilk.

My "ilk"? Really? Gee, I never knew that retired ex-IT gurus had such power. I am impressed, Black Orchid.

My question is, how many of those sorts of criminals, the sort that are involved in "drugs, money laundering, the sex trade and violent crimes," are there in Australia as against the criminals who aren't involved in those sorts of criminal activity? Is every criminal involved in those activities, Black Orchid or might it actually be only a percentage? Do their crimes affect more ordinary, everyday, non-criminal Australians or only a small percentage of those? Lets get a handle of this, shall we?

Oh and guess what? They don't have good old Aussie names either.

What? No one named, for example: "Adaliya" or "Angoona" or "Banalandju" or "Birrinbirrin"?

I think I would shoot myself if my mother called me "Angoona"..