Navigating the politics of identity

[brian ross]

A very interesting Radio Nation programme. Well worth listening to. Navigating the politics of identity

[billy the kid]

According to Islamic clerics, we are all born muslims….

[brian ross]

According to Islamic clerics, we are all born muslims….

Really? And how many Muslim clerics have you received that opinion from, Billy? Any at all? No, I didn't think so. Such a silly, typical Islamophobic comment.

As the radio programme is primarily about Ireland and the politics of identity, your point is irrelevant.

[billy the kid]

I don't need to talk to muslims for that... arsewipe……

Its in a hadith...sahih muslim book 033 number 6426....everyone comes into this world as a muslim....
Its a quote from mohammed....“No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist.”
On the 5th January, 2015 AIMIM leader Asaduddin Owaisi stated every child is born a muslim....
Common knowledge.....

[billy the kid]

sahih muslim is revered by sunnis….

[brian ross]

You are aware I hope that most Hadiths are considered suspect by most Muslims because their providence has not been proved? There is no evidence that they actually were spoken by Muhammad. There is presently a project in Turkey which is working it's way through all the Sunni Hadiths checking their veracity. You are aware that there are also Sh'ite Hadiths which the Sunnis do not acknowledge just as the Sh'ites do not acknowledge the Sunni ones. Seems to me like there is a lot of confusion about the Hadiths within the Muslim world. What a shame that they Islamophobes don't even acknowledge that there are different Sects amongst the Muslims, let alone that there is any confusion in their thought. Tsk, tsk.

[billy the kid]

What a shame you are still full of shit....
You conveniently overlook the fact that mohammed is considered by muslims to be the perfect man.
If that is the case you are suggesting that mohammed is a liar....
Do muslims agree with you that perhaps mohammed was a liar...
I don't think so....
He is the perfect man...
Your argument doesn't hold water...
It is just a convenient way for you to avoid the issue....
"Oh they are researching that...he may not have said that..."
You quote Islamic text when it suits you, but when someone else quotes you
throw in a strawman...
You are full of shit...I am wasting my time talking to you....
Oh BTW...perhaps you can tell me how they are going to substantiate some hadiths and not others...Is the
research of the hadiths being conducted by sunni or shia muslims...will the shia muslims substantiate those hadiths
which suit them...will the sunnis substantiate those which suit them....
Why is it necessary for the hadiths to be substantiated in the first place...
Doesnt this all sound like taqiyaa.....it does to me....

[Nom De Plume]

You are aware I hope that most Hadiths are considered suspect by most Muslims because their providence has not been proved? There is no evidence that they actually were spoken by Muhammad. There is presently a project in Turkey which is working it's way through all the Sunni Hadiths checking their veracity. You are aware that there are also Sh'ite Hadiths which the Sunnis do not acknowledge just as the Sh'ites do not acknowledge the Sunni ones. Seems to me like there is a lot of confusion about the Hadiths within the Muslim world. What a shame that they Islamophobes don't even acknowledge that there are different Sects amongst the Muslims, let alone that there is any confusion in their thought. Tsk, tsk.

There is no proof that Jesus existed BR, yet there are a lot of Christians who follow The Word.

[brian ross]

You are aware I hope that most Hadiths are considered suspect by most Muslims because their providence has not been proved? There is no evidence that they actually were spoken by Muhammad. There is presently a project in Turkey which is working it's way through all the Sunni Hadiths checking their veracity. You are aware that there are also Sh'ite Hadiths which the Sunnis do not acknowledge just as the Sh'ites do not acknowledge the Sunni ones. Seems to me like there is a lot of confusion about the Hadiths within the Muslim world. What a shame that they Islamophobes don't even acknowledge that there are different Sects amongst the Muslims, let alone that there is any confusion in their thought. Tsk, tsk.

There is no proof that Jesus existed BR, yet there are a lot of Christians who follow The Word.

Or what they believe is "the word", Nom. How else do you explain how Christians who profess to follow Christianity which it is claimed is a peaceful religion has such a long, bloody, brutal history?

[Bogan]

"Identity politics" refers to the practice of electors from particular ethnicities or cultures, to form voting blocks which exclusively promote the interests of their own ethnicity or culture, against all others. It was invented by the Left as a means of overcoming their failure to convince working class Australians to support their dreamy vision of a socialist Australia, ruled by the public service and the unions.

Another reason was because of the rising prosperity of working and even disadvantaged class people, which completely destroyed the socialists main rallying slogan, which declared that it was they, and only they, that represented the interests of workers and the disadvantaged from the capitalist oppressors. So the left tried another tack which has given it much success. They embraced the principle of non white immigration in knowledge that many ethnicities were less intelligent than white working class people, and they were probably dumb enough to embrace socialism. The ethnicities collective votes could then be appealed to by appealing to the values, attitudes and bigotry of particular ethnic groups.

This led to some problems when some ethnic groups had particular dislikes and issues with others, but the left carefully sided with the majority ethnicities in those disputes. An example being the rejection of the Labor Party's wholehearted support for Israel when it realised that the Muslim vote was much larger than the Jewish vote. Another was to always take the side of ethnic minorities with large voting blocks in disputes between white Australians and particular ethicities and cultures. Thus we see high tolerance by leftists for Muslim terrorism, and the lefts progression to be Islam's apologists and champions. The Muslim practice or treating Muslim women as the personnel property of Muslim men gets a free pass from lefties, even from the so called "feminists."

Another benefit of non white, non European immigration was the very high levels of welfare dependency and criminal behaviour of several non European groups. Those ethnicities with high levels of welfare dependencies were a shoo in to vote Labor in any election. Another benefit was the high levels of serious crime by these self same ethnicities meant an expansion in public serve jobs involving state police, lawyers, courts, prisons, prison officers, and anti terrorism police. With Labor doing it's utmost to tell all imported immigrants that it was the "Immigrants" Party", the Libs had to play the same game to try and win some of this new voting demographic's vote, which with very high levels of immigration was becoming increasingly important. So Libs and Labs both appealed to particular ethnic voting blocks by pork barrelling ethnic electorates in a sort of bidding war.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, white Australians were wondering who the hell was representing them? Both Libs and Labs had abandoned white Australians as both the Libs and Labs shifted further to the left, and both fell all over each other outbidding each other for social welfare programs that would appeal to ethnic voting blocks. Both Libs and Labs considered the white vote to be in the bag and that whites would always vote for whatever political party they had always voted for.

Along came Pauline Hanson and One Nation which threw a spanner in their collective thinking. Unsurprisingly, both the Libs and the Labs were surprised by the level of public support for this new party from many of their own traditional voters. Unsurprisingly these two poles apart parties then colluded together to fight the common foe, this new party which represented the people they had chosen to ignore. Now the left screams about how awful it is for white people to vote along "identity" lines, when they were the ones who promoted identity politics in the first place.

It is the same old story. Ethics can do it. But if whites do the same it is "racism!"