il Duce' Dutton's Department isn't a happy place

[Wally Raffles]

Brian Ross wrote

What I find interesting is a report into the internal management and hence morale of this department is going down the gurgler so we have the usual Xenophobes attack me, personally, for adding a link to the report... Tsk, tsk, such childishness, such silliness, how typical that it has become a thread about me, rather than a discission about the issues that I have raised - management of the Department of Home Affairs.

What I find interesting, Brian, is that you think the rest of us are so thick that we can not read between the lines.

I can't think of anything interesting about people who can or can't read between the lines. That can mean anything, including that what is 'between the lines' is 'your' preferred belief.

This "report" is simply a hit piece questioning Dutton's ability to lead, by suggesting that morale in his department is so low that it must be Dutton's fault.

Why describe it as a 'hit piece' unless you too can see that there is a link to Dutton and his attitude. Just remember please Bogan that Dutton at his best was a low ranking Queensland police officer.

The public service is chock a block full of lefties like you who are open border fanatics, and who think that deporting foreign criminals is just awful.

No hyperbole there at all is there Bogan? I say that is you stamping people you do not know with a negative view of them, despite the fact that you do not know them one little bit.

Probably because so many public servants come from the same crime prone ethnicities that Dutton is chucking out.

And there you justify your hyperbole with yet another one.

*snip*

The whole story is a load of crap,

So you say and produce nothing in support. That is a noticeable trend with you. Another hallmark is factual errors.

and the only reason why you even submitted it is because you hate Dutton and you will submit anything where you think it will get you some dirt to throw at him.

Or it might just be because the Article says that there is very low morale within Dutton's Dept. Are you a Dutton devotee willing to ignore plain facts?

Brian Ross has Dutton Derangement Syndrome.

What is that exactly?

[Bogan]

To Wally.

Try writing 300 words in a few paragraphs describing why you think I am wrong, and why you think you are right. I don't normally respond to those who simply sit in the stands and throw sneery one liners. I know that Brian cuts and runs every time I get on his tail, but I will say something for old Brian. At least he actually believes in what he says and he will formulate reasoned arguments defend that. He always stands up on his feet and gives a good fight, at least until he knows when he is beaten. Brian is usually also unfailingly polite.

[brian ross]

Brian Ross wrote

What I find interesting is a report into the internal management and hence morale of this department is going down the gurgler so we have the usual Xenophobes attack me, personally, for adding a link to the report... Tsk, tsk, such childishness, such silliness, how typical that it has become a thread about me, rather than a discission about the issues that I have raised - management of the Department of Home Affairs.

What I find interesting, Brian, is that you think the rest of us are so thick that we can not read between the lines. This "report" is simply a hit piece questioning Dutton's ability to lead, by suggesting that morale in his department is so low that it must be Dutton's fault.

The public service is chock a block full of lefties like you who are open border fanatics, and who think that deporting foreign criminals is just awful. Probably because so many public servants come from the same crime prone ethnicities that Dutton is chucking out. "If "thousands of public servants want to quit Peter Dutton's home affairs departmen" then I say "great, go!" But just like the US celebrities who said that they would immigrate from the USA to Canada if Trump won (they would never go to Mexico and live with those Hispanics they support), these coddled public servants are not going to lave their cushy jobs and their overly generous superannuation payouts.

The whole story is a load of crap, and the only reason why you even submitted it is because you hate Dutton and you will submit anything where you think it will get you some dirt to throw at him.

Brian Ross has Dutton Derangement Syndrome.

Not really. If Dutton was doing his job better there would be no need to "hatchet articles". He is patently unpopular and that is because he is a bastard. He is an ex-Queensland Copper (in the days of Joh) and it shows in his attitudes towards people who disagree with him. He goes in boots and all. It was why he was looked over for the leadership of his political party. No one likes him, not even his fellow MPs.

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Richard Di Natale supported decisions that resulted in 1200 people drowning at sea. His comments today are self-indulgent and promote nothing more than his own failed agenda. They are disgusting and should be condemned. ............

[sprintcyclist]

EVERY migration case is complex and there are hundreds of cases each year where we grant visas to families with sick children, elderly visitors to our country who have fallen ill or people who have heartbreaking stories otherwise.

In every case the detail is scrutinised and on compassionate grounds yearly we help literally thousands of people including the primary applicant as well as their family members. The public rarely hear the detail of that compassion because the individuals don’t seek media attention.

The case of the family from Sri Lanka is also a complex case and has attracted a lot of media attention with many false claims by refugee advocates and Labor opportunists.

The mother and father arrived illegally by boat in 2012 and 2013 respectively. They were part of the 50000 people who arrived on 800 boats under Mr Rudd and Ms Gillard.

Labor initially put them into detention and they were told all those years ago that, on the details they provided, they were not refugees under the UN definition so they would have to go home. They were told that they would never settle permanently in Australia, just like many others who arrived by boat. They never accepted that decision.

They have gone on to appeal to the Federal Magistrates Court, the Federal Court and the High Court, costing the Australian taxpayers millions of dollars.
They have explained their circumstance to every decision maker and Judge and every one of them has rejected their claim for protection.
That is that they are not refugees.
The UN estimates there are some 68 million people in the world today who similarly want a better life.

The civil war in Sri Lanka is now over and Tamils from around the world have returned to their country and have been accepted back by a democratically elected inclusive Government. It is true though that Sri Lanka still doesn’t have the industry, welfare system or job opportunities we enjoy in Australia.

Apart from the family in question, 1500 other Sri Lankan’s with similar stories who arrived in Australia by boat have already been deported back to Sri Lanka and others will follow. They have done so safely and have re-started their lives in a country now marked by peace and not war.

It’s not that this family or those in the 68 million figure are unworthy or not sincere in their desire to live in Australia. The reality is our Government, with the support of the majority of Australians, has taken tough decisions over a number of years now to keep our borders secure and people off boats.

At the same time we have brought refugees in who, in many cases faced imminent death or persecution, and their cases are much more compelling than those who are not refugees but simply want a stronger financial future for their families.

The other reality is that we have a cap of 18750 refugee places each year and we take those most in need. In the year before last, which included the Syrian intake, we took more people through our Offshore Program than in any year over the last 30.

That is not a fact you will hear acknowledged by the advocate groups and Labor leaders who are still guilty that their management of our borders saw 1200 people drown at sea.

I have not had one death at sea on my watch and I don’t intend to let that happen now.

The Ministers in that period would still live with the images and briefings of children half eaten by sharks and others placed in detention.

We won’t take a moral lecture when the reality is we have a compassionate approach that is helping thousands each year, but where somebody has been told consistently all the way through to the High Court that they are not refugees, then those people have to return back to their country of origin.

We do have to make tough decisions in some cases and compassionate decisions in others. We have been fair, clear and consistent for a long time: we are not allowing people who arrive by boat to settle in Australia.

This family had been told long before they had children that there was never a prospect of them remaining in Australia.

Like many other countries, Australian law provides that children born here to non-citizens adopt the status of their parents. If the opposite was the case, that is if children born in Australia to non-citizens automatically became citizens, and by extension their parents, there would be many more than 50,000 people arriving by boat and having children on arrival.

There has been six Sri Lankan ventures that have been intercepted, disrupted or failed already this year.

The people smugglers are alive and well and watch all of these cases very carefully. They will look for any opportunity to market and sell their evil product.

We have got all of the children out of detention who were put there by Labor and we are not returning to the days of hundreds drowning helplessly at sea.

Peter Dutton is Home Affairs Minister

[brian ross]

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Unwilling to provide a link to prove your case, Sprint? How silly of you.

[brian ross]

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Richard Di Natale supported decisions that resulted in 1200 people drowning at sea. His comments today are self-indulgent and promote nothing more than his own failed agenda. They are disgusting and should be condemned. ............

Hindsight is always perfect. hey, Sprint? Tsk, tsk, how silly of Dutton to suggest we should examine all his decisions to see how many people have died as a consequence.

[Bogan]

Brian Ross wrote

Not really. If Dutton was doing his job better there would be no need to "hatchet articles".

You mean that he would be doing his job correctly if he just allowed every person on planet Earth who wanted to come to Australia, to just walk right in? For those like you who are open border advocates, such a premise makes sense. But most people are not open border advocates, so you are on a loser there.

And he should stop deporting foreign criminals who come to our country to rob, rape, and murder Australians? Brian, if ever you lefties were on a loser, that one takes the cake. Even a lefty should have the brains to figure out that telling the public that you have the backs of foreign robbers, rapists, gang leaders, and murderers, is hardly going to convince the public that you lefties have their interests at heart. Most people would think that you lefties are crazy. I know that you oppose Dutton on this, but I have never even heard an argument from a lefty justifying that bizarre opinion. So give me one, Brian. I would love to know what it is.

The only explanation for your crazy position that I can see at the moment, seems to boil down to your usual default way of thinking.....

"Since there are so many ethnic criminals, and ethnics are poor oppressed minorities, and poor oppressed minorities must always be defended from the evil white oppressors, and ethnic criminals only commit crimes because of racism, discrimination, and white privilege, then defending poor oppressed foreign criminals against deportation is the right thing to do."

Brian Ross wrote

He is patently unpopular and that is because he is a bastard.

Unpopular with whom? He was so popular that he romped home in his electorate. He may be unpopular with the loony left and the open border advocates, but that is a real positive among most people. As for being a "bastard", well I am a bastard too Brian, but that should not be held against me socially. My circumstances for being a bastard was beyond my control. But your circumstances for being one is because of your bizarre political and social opinions.

Brian Ross wrote

He is an ex-Queensland Copper (in the days of Joh) and it shows in his attitudes towards people who disagree with him.

Brian, Brian, Brian. You just stereotyped again. You just assigned negative connotations towards the attitudes of an entire group of people, in this case Queensland Police officers from the Joh Bjelke Peterson era.

I think that I must be getting to you, Brian. You have regularly denounced stereotyping like every other dutiful, leftist, PC conditioned clone. And when I have patiently explained to you that such an attitude is nonsense, because everybody stereotypes, and people need to stereotype in order to form concepts to allow them to think, you have harrumphed at that. But every time I catch you doing it yourself, and point it out to you that you are doing what you condemn in others, it must affect you in some way. You must be starting to figure out that I am right.

Brian Ross wrote

He goes in boots and all. It was why he was looked over for the leadership of his political party. No one likes him, not even his fellow MPs

The public likes him because he chucks out the foreign criminals who have spat in the faces of the public by coming to our country to rob, rape, and kill us. And we are glad that he goes in boots and all, doing that. If he was overlooked for leadership it is because he may have been seen as divisive factor in culturally divided Australia, where the votes of some crime and welfare prone ethnicities are considered vital in marginal electorates.

Anyhoo, go back to the Climate Change topic so that I can continue deprograming you from your leftist brainwashing on that subject.

[Black Orchid]

However, the Department of Home Affairs said the family had been comprehensively assessed a number of times and had consistently been found not to be genuine refugees.

Christopher Tran, a lawyer for the Government, told the court last week the family's application to be recognised as refugees was "manifestly hopeless".

Simon Jeans, an immigration lawyer who worked with the past 10 immigration ministers, has been following the unfolding situation. He said several errors were made in the family's bid to stay in Australia.

"Observing this case over the past 18 months has been like watching a train wreck in slow motion," Mr Jeans said.

He said the family have not been truthful in visa applications and said evidence suggested they came to Australia in 2012 and 2013 by boat as economic refugees.

The family have been fighting their case on the grounds they face persecution in Sri Lanka due to links to the militant Tamil Tigers (LTTE).

According to court documents from June 2018, Nades claimed he was forced to join the LTTE in 2001 and was harassed by the Sri Lankan military.

However, he frequently travelled between Sri Lanka, Kuwait and Qatar between 2004 and 2010 for work, during the civil war that ended in 2009.

As a result, the Immigration Assessment Authority (IAA) did not accept he had links to the LTTE and would not be "of concern to the Sri Lankan authorities."

"Anyone who was associated with the LTTE or was suspected of being with the LTTE, would not have been coming and going into Sri Lanka," Mr Jeans said.

"They would have been picked up by security forces."

Mr Jeans said boat arrivals tended to exaggerate their stories so they could get permanent residence.

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In a Courier-Mail article published on Saturday night, Peter Dutton outlined his argument as to why the family should be returned to Sri Lanka.

"They have explained their circumstance to every decision maker and judge and every one of them has rejected their claim for protection. That is that they are not refugees," he wrote.

More at abc.net.au/news/2019-09-02/biloela-tami ... g/11468874

No doubt there are people in Dutton's office who are unhappy about this too and will do the typical 'progressive' thing and run out and trash him and his department.

[brian ross]

Brian Ross wrote

Not really. If Dutton was doing his job better there would be no need to "hatchet articles".

You mean that he would be doing his job correctly if he just allowed every person on planet Earth who wanted to come to Australia, to just walk right in?

Nope. What he should be doing is instructing his officers to observe the various treaties that Australia is a signatory to and which have been enabled in Australian law, like the Convention on Refugees. You appear to believe he should be allowed to overturn legislation without putting it to a vote in the Parliament. Gee, I wonder why?

For those like you who are open border advocates, such a premise makes sense. But most people are not open border advocates, so you are on a loser there.

Guess what, Bogan, neither am I. Never have been. I believe in fairness and justice, don't know about you. Blame the Australian Tory Government under Menzies which signed the UN Refugee Convention and passed it into Australian law, thereby ratifying it. It has never been rescinded. All il Duce has done is instruct his officers to only accept applications for Asylum from people who arrive by plane, not boat. Doesn't seem fair to most Australians. Tsk, tsk.

And he should stop deporting foreign criminals who come to our country to rob, rape, and murder Australians?

Nope. Try again.

"Since there are so many ethnic criminals, and ethnics are poor oppressed minorities, and poor oppressed minorities must always be defended from the evil white oppressors, and ethnic criminals only commit crimes because of racism, discrimination, and white privilege, then defending poor oppressed foreign criminals against deportation is the right thing to do."

Who said that? You? How typical.

Brian Ross wrote

He is patently unpopular and that is because he is a bastard.

Unpopular with whom? He was so popular that he romped home in his electorate. He may be unpopular with the loony left and the open border advocates, but that is a real positive among most people. As for being a "bastard", well I am a bastard too Brian, but that should not be held against me socially. My circumstances for being a bastard was beyond my control. But your circumstances for being one is because of your bizarre political and social opinions.

Your bastardry was beyond your control. Dutton's isn't. It is an acquired social standing conferred by his own actions, rather than the actions of his father...

Brian Ross wrote

He goes in boots and all. It was why he was looked over for the leadership of his political party. No one likes him, not even his fellow MPs

The public likes him because he chucks out the foreign criminals who have spat in the faces of the public by coming to our country to rob, rape, and kill us. And we are glad that he goes in boots and all, doing that. If he was overlooked for leadership it is because he may have been seen as divisive factor in culturally divided Australia, where the votes of some crime and welfare prone ethnicities are considered vital in marginal electorates.

He was overlooked because he was unpopular with his own peers. Funny that. What he does is annoys people and talks like a knobhead. Rather like you do, in fact...