Trump and Greenland

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Re: Trump and Greenland

Post by The4thEstate » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:38 am

Nicole wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:24 pm
Instead of talking in platitudes Brian, why don’t you list trumps specific policies - those you dislike?
brian ross wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:40 pm
OK, how about his denial of Climate Change and his Environmental Policy with it's increased emphasis on Fossil Fuel usage? He has made drastic cuts to the Endangered Species policy and his efforts to undo automobile efficiency platforms of his predecessor.
Why should the United States bite the bullet on climate change when (1) we've already reduced our CO2 output by 12 percent since 2005, and (2) the Paris climate accord allows China -- the world's largest carbon spewer -- to do whatever it wants for 15 years?

Meanwhile, we were supposed to pay $3 billion to some useless U.N. fund, where it no doubt would have done wonders to reduce the Earth's temperature. Obama paid $1 billion of it -- and as for the remaining $2 billion, Trump told the U.N. to go screw themselves. (Guess how much China was obligated to pay?)

You have to wonder whether the people who claim to be worried about climate change are really in it for something else -- such as extorting billions of dollars from the taxpayers of Western economic powers. How could any serious climate agreement give China a free pass for 15 years?
brian ross wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:40 pm
During a July 8, 2019 White House speech, Trump hailed "America’s environmental leadership" on his watch, asserting his administration was "being good stewards of our public land," reducing carbon emissions and promoting the “cleanest air” and “crystal clean” water. Experts noted that these achievements were the result of actions taken by his predecessors. That same day, EPA administrator Andrew Wheeler touted the administration's accomplishments by citing data going back to the Nixon administration.[14]
[Source]
Wrong -- Trump never implied that his administration was responsible for all of those achievements. That's a Wikipedia cut-and-paste, and you should have taken the time to read the original text of his speech, which was as follows:

"From the very beginning, I have given them clear direction to focus on addressing environmental challenges so we can provide the highest quality of life to all Americans. In addition to clean air and clean water, that means being good stewards of our public lands; prioritizing cleanup of polluted lands that threaten our most vulnerable citizens, and threaten them very dearly; and implementing pro-growth policies to unlock innovation and new technologies which will improve American life and America's environment ...

"From day one, my administration has made it a top priority to ensure that America has among the very cleanest air and cleanest water on the planet. We want the cleanest air. We want crystal-clean water, and that's what we're doing and that's what we're working on so hard."


Saying it's your administration's top priority to ensure that America has the"cleanest air" and "crystal-clean water" isn't the same thing as taking credit for the achievements -- or the achievements of your predecessors. That claim is just another left-wing strawman.
brian ross wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:40 pm
How about his Immigration Policy which unfairly targets Muslims? His Executive Orders have decided to target refugees from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen yet he has ignored that the Terrorists from 11 September were all Saudi Arabians.
So are you arguing that he should have included more Muslim-majority nations or fewer?

Besides, the order doesn't specifically target Muslims; it targets nations with a history of terrorism. If that happens to include several Muslim-majority nations -- well, if the shoe fits ...

Regardless, we're not obligated to accept everyone who wants to enter the United States. We're a sovereign nation, not a Third World spillway. And if you wouldn't voluntarily move to the Middle East, why bring the Middle East to your neighborhood?
brian ross wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:40 pm
Socially he has declared himself to be "pro-life" and that he wants to reverse the Roe vs Wade Decision which legalised abortion in the US. He has provided mixed messages WRT to same-sex marriage, saying he wants to reverse the Supreme Court's decision and then saying it is a "settled issue".
In January 24 [2016], days after being sworn in, Trump issued an executive order reinstating the Mexico City policy (also called the "global gag rule"). Under the policy, international non-governmental organizations that "offer or promote abortions as part of their family planning services" are barred from receiving funds from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID).[31]
[Source]

On May 3, 2018 he signed an executive order entitled, "Establishment of a White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative" that aims to prevent funding for abortion.[34][35]
Why should American taxpayers pay for other people's abortions?

You want one, you pay for it -- or, better yet, use a little responsibility and common sense beforehand.
brian ross wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:40 pm
Now, do I need to go on, "Nicole"? :roll:
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Re: Trump and Greenland

Post by LearJet » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:10 am

@Brian & 4th

Good exchange you two, & points well responded to -- Winner 4th -- BUT, WTF does all that have to do with the purchase of Greenland, which is the subject of the OP???????????????

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Re: Trump and Greenland

Post by Black Orchid » Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:51 pm

The4thEstate wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:38 am
Nicole wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:24 pm
Instead of talking in platitudes Brian, why don’t you list trumps specific policies - those you dislike?
brian ross wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:40 pm
OK, how about his denial of Climate Change and his Environmental Policy with it's increased emphasis on Fossil Fuel usage? He has made drastic cuts to the Endangered Species policy and his efforts to undo automobile efficiency platforms of his predecessor.
Why should the United States bite the bullet on climate change when (1) we've already reduced our CO2 output by 12 percent since 2005, and (2) the Paris climate accord allows China -- the world's largest carbon spewer -- to do whatever it wants for 15 years?

Meanwhile, we were supposed to pay $3 billion to some useless U.N. fund, where it no doubt would have done wonders to reduce the Earth's temperature. Obama paid $1 billion of it -- and as for the remaining $2 billion, Trump told the U.N. to go screw themselves. (Guess how much China was obligated to pay?)

You have to wonder whether the people who claim to be worried about climate change are really in it for something else -- such as extorting billions of dollars from the taxpayers of Western economic powers. How could any serious climate agreement give China a free pass for 15 years?
brian ross wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:40 pm
During a July 8, 2019 White House speech, Trump hailed "America’s environmental leadership" on his watch, asserting his administration was "being good stewards of our public land," reducing carbon emissions and promoting the “cleanest air” and “crystal clean” water. Experts noted that these achievements were the result of actions taken by his predecessors. That same day, EPA administrator Andrew Wheeler touted the administration's accomplishments by citing data going back to the Nixon administration.[14]
[Source]
Wrong -- Trump never implied that his administration was responsible for all of those achievements. That's a Wikipedia cut-and-paste, and you should have taken the time to read the original text of his speech, which was as follows:

"From the very beginning, I have given them clear direction to focus on addressing environmental challenges so we can provide the highest quality of life to all Americans. In addition to clean air and clean water, that means being good stewards of our public lands; prioritizing cleanup of polluted lands that threaten our most vulnerable citizens, and threaten them very dearly; and implementing pro-growth policies to unlock innovation and new technologies which will improve American life and America's environment ...

"From day one, my administration has made it a top priority to ensure that America has among the very cleanest air and cleanest water on the planet. We want the cleanest air. We want crystal-clean water, and that's what we're doing and that's what we're working on so hard."


Saying it's your administration's top priority to ensure that America has the"cleanest air" and "crystal-clean water" isn't the same thing as taking credit for the achievements -- or the achievements of your predecessors. That claim is just another left-wing strawman.
brian ross wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:40 pm
How about his Immigration Policy which unfairly targets Muslims? His Executive Orders have decided to target refugees from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen yet he has ignored that the Terrorists from 11 September were all Saudi Arabians.
So are you arguing that he should have included more Muslim-majority nations or fewer?

Besides, the order doesn't specifically target Muslims; it targets nations with a history of terrorism. If that happens to include several Muslim-majority nations -- well, if the shoe fits ...

Regardless, we're not obligated to accept everyone who wants to enter the United States. We're a sovereign nation, not a Third World spillway. And if you wouldn't voluntarily move to the Middle East, why bring the Middle East to your neighborhood?
brian ross wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:40 pm
Socially he has declared himself to be "pro-life" and that he wants to reverse the Roe vs Wade Decision which legalised abortion in the US. He has provided mixed messages WRT to same-sex marriage, saying he wants to reverse the Supreme Court's decision and then saying it is a "settled issue".
In January 24 [2016], days after being sworn in, Trump issued an executive order reinstating the Mexico City policy (also called the "global gag rule"). Under the policy, international non-governmental organizations that "offer or promote abortions as part of their family planning services" are barred from receiving funds from the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID).[31]
[Source]

On May 3, 2018 he signed an executive order entitled, "Establishment of a White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative" that aims to prevent funding for abortion.[34][35]
Why should American taxpayers pay for other people's abortions?

You want one, you pay for it -- or, better yet, use a little responsibility and common sense beforehand.
brian ross wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:40 pm
Now, do I need to go on, "Nicole"? :roll:
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Re: Trump and Greenland

Post by Nicole » Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:45 pm

@ Brian

Now, do I need to go on, "Nicole"? :roll:
Sure. 4Es just wiped the floor with you. By all means continue.

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Re: Trump and Greenland

Post by LearJet » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:21 pm

Nicole wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:45 pm
@ Brian

Now, do I need to go on, "Nicole"? :roll:
Sure. 4Es just wiped the floor with you. By all means continue.


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Re: Trump and Greenland

Post by brian ross » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:08 pm

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Re: Trump and Greenland

Post by Nicole » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:37 pm

Why? He was obviously meeting her with the objective of purchasing Greenland in mind. She’s not interested, so Trump doesn’t want to waste his time.

Neeeeext....

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Re: Trump and Greenland

Post by Black Orchid » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:43 pm

Nothing childish about it. He made a proposal which was refused and he was very gracious about it.

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Re: Trump and Greenland

Post by LearJet » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:02 pm

LearJet wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:19 pm
While it sounds right Brian, but who better than the Danish Government would actually know about Greenland's ownership status?
Greenland is not for sale and the idea of selling it to the United States is absurd, Denmark’s prime minister said on Sunday after an economic adviser to President Donald Trump confirmed the U.S. interest in buying the world’s largest island.

“Greenland is not for sale. Greenland is not Danish. Greenland belongs to Greenland. I strongly hope that this is not meant seriously,” Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen told the newspaper Sermitsiaq during a visit to Greenland.


Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/18/greenl ... bsurd.html
I would have to believe that the Danish PM is most probably correct, being the residents of Greenland have been negotiating independence from Denmark for years.

Denmark does provide for Greenland's National security, and it subsidizes a large portion of Greenland's yearly budget, but I believe that the Greenland government has already secured its territorial sovereignty from Denmark, and the PM's statement seems to confirm this.
Maybe, President Trump has had some further searches done to confirm that the Danish PM is correct -- Denmark can't sell Greenland because it isn't Denmark's to sell, Greenland belongs to Greenland, and the USA will need to enter deeper negotiations with Greenland itself. Discussing the issue with Denmark is unnecessary.

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Re: Trump and Greenland

Post by brian ross » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:34 pm

Nicole wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:37 pm
Why? He was obviously meeting her with the objective of purchasing Greenland in mind. She’s not interested, so Trump doesn’t want to waste his time.

Neeeeext....
Actually, it appears he was meeting her for other purposes, originally... :roll:
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