Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal

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Re: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal

Post by Juliar » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:57 am

Poor Brossy is sprung and races into standard Lefty deny and lie mode.

Now let the TRUTH prevail. Mungo Man was here long before the current Aboriginies migrated from New Guinea.



Mungo Lady and Mungo Man

How do we know how old they are?

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Rosewood trees at dawn. Photograph © Ian Brown

Dating the Past is a complex area of science that continues to advance. All dating methods have shortcomings and degrees of inaccuracy, and the age of Mungo Lady and Mungo Man has been controversial from the beginning.

Before the remains were discovered, scientists thought that Aboriginal people had been in Australia for perhaps 20,000 years, while many Aboriginal people saw themselves as being here forever.

Early estimates of the age of Mungo Man ranged from 28,000 years to 32,000 years. Then in 1999 new methods estimated Mungo Man to have lived some 62,000 years ago, a radical conclusion that was at odds with what was known about human migration across the globe.

In 2003 Harvey Johnston and Professor Jim Bowler brought together a panel of experts to try and settle the debate. Using evidence from a range of optically stimulated luminescence dating methods and four different laboratories, the scientists were able to reach an agreed age.

Both Mungo Man and Mungo Lady were 40,000 and up to 42,000 years old. That is where the science stands at present.

This research extends far beyond mere academic interest. Non-indigenous Australians too often have a desperately limited frame of historical reference. The Lake Mungo region provides a record of land and people that we latter day arrivals have failed to incorporate into our own Australian psyche. We have yet to penetrate the depths of time and cultural treasures revealed by those ancestors of indigenous Australians.

Jim Bowler, geologist



Who was Mungo Man?

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Emu footprints. Photograph © Ian Brown

About 42,000 years ago, Mungo Man lived around the shores of Lake Mungo with his family. A time of abundance in the Willandra Lakes system was drawing to a close, but he could still hunt many species of game, including some of the soon-to-be-extinct megafauna. Mungo Man cared for his Country and kept safe the special men's knowledge. By his lore and ritual activity, he kept the land strong and his culture alive.

When he was young Mungo Man lost his two lower canine teeth, possibly knocked out in a ritual. He grew into a man nearly 1.7m in height. Over the years his molar teeth became worn and scratched, possibly from eating a gritty diet or stripping the long leaves of water reeds with his teeth to make twine. As Mungo Man grew older his bones ached with arthritis, especially his right elbow, which was so damaged that bits of bone were completely worn out or broken away. Such wear and tear is typical of people who have used a woomera to throw spears over many years.

Mungo Man reached a good age for the hard life of a hunter-gatherer, and died when he was about 50. His family mourned for him, and carefully buried him in the lunette, on his back with his hands crossed in his lap, and sprinkled with red ochre. Mungo Man is the oldest known example in the world of such a ritual.

Mungo Man was around 50 years of age and the condition of arthritis was so advanced that he would not have been able to fully extend his arm or turn his hand properly. It is easy to picture him sitting, slowly rubbing the ancient elbow in front of his fire on a cold ice age night.

Steve Webb, anthropologist

http://www.visitmungo.com.au/who-was-mungo-man

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Re: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal

Post by brian ross » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:46 pm

Failed as usual to answer the question. How typical of the Tory Party shill. I asked how you knew there was a "cover up"? Where is your evidence of that? It doesn't seem to exist. When you produce some, I might be interested in what you have to say. :roll:
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Re: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal

Post by Juliar » Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:55 pm

BBrossy, you obviously have done NO research on this subject.

After discord from the Aboriginies about Mungo Man preceding them here a cover up was started where new DNA was "measured" and miraculously they decided Mungo Man was Aboringinal.

Thus an apparent fraudulent cover up simply to satisfy the aboriginals and avoid damaging their legal applications.

Need Alan Jones on 2GB to expose this cover up to kll the current referendum.


FactCheck: might there have been people in Australia prior to Aboriginal people?
BY IAIN DAVIDSON UPDATED 30/06/2015

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Senator David Leyonhjelm (AAP) Source: AAP

Senator David Leyonhjelm has said he is not taking sides in the debate, saying only that anthropologists disagree.

Not for the first time, the Liberal Democrat crossbencher, Senator David Leyonhjelm, has expressed scepticism about the idea that Aboriginal people are the first Australians.

“There may have been people in Australia prior to the Aborigines… if there is any doubt at all, why would you put history in the Constitution?” – Liberal Democrat Senator David Leyonhjelm, speaking with reporters, June 25, 2015

Read the rest of the exposure of the cover up here

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/factcheck-m ... nal-people

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Re: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal

Post by brian ross » Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:25 pm

Juliar wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:55 pm
BBrossy, you obviously have done NO research on this subject.

After discord from the Aboriginies about Mungo Man preceding them here a cover up was started where new DNA was "measured" and miraculously they decided Mungo Man was Aboringinal.

Thus an apparent fraudulent cover up simply to satisfy the aboriginals and avoid damaging their legal applications.

Need Alan Jones on 2GB to expose this cover up to kll the current referendum.


FactCheck: might there have been people in Australia prior to Aboriginal people?
BY IAIN DAVIDSON UPDATED 30/06/2015

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Senator David Leyonhjelm (AAP) Source: AAP

Senator David Leyonhjelm has said he is not taking sides in the debate, saying only that anthropologists disagree.

Not for the first time, the Liberal Democrat crossbencher, Senator David Leyonhjelm, has expressed scepticism about the idea that Aboriginal people are the first Australians.

“There may have been people in Australia prior to the Aborigines… if there is any doubt at all, why would you put history in the Constitution?” – Liberal Democrat Senator David Leyonhjelm, speaking with reporters, June 25, 2015

Read the rest of the exposure of the cover up here

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/factcheck-m ... nal-people
Leyonhjelm was and is a fool. He knows nothing about Anthropology and neither do you. It appears you didn't even read your source.
Verdict

As previously discussed on The Conversation, there is a strong research case for the biological continuity between pre-European and modern Aboriginal populations of Australia.

It is true that there has been, historically, a small number of claims that there were people in Australia before Australian Aborigines, but these claims have all been refuted and are no longer widely debated. The overwhelming weight of evidence supports the idea that Aboriginal people were the first Australians.

The disagreements that can be found in the literature are normal in the accumulation of knowledge but do not undermine the strength of the modern consensus that the first people to live in Australia were ancestors of the Aboriginal people who lived here when Europeans first arrived and colonised.

Although there is a small amount of truth in the Senator’s claims about what is in the literature, the claims do not stack up against modern knowledge of the evidence.

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Review

This is a sound analysis. The evidence from DNA of today’s Aboriginal populations, as well as those from the past recovered through ancient DNA is revealing new insights into the complexity of the First Australians population history. What we see in the DNA is evidence of an unbroken Aboriginal lineage for well over 2,000 generations.

Attempts to recover the ancient DNA from Mungo Man reported over ten years ago were subject to considerable critique. Consensus generally agreed that the reported results probably represented contaminated DNA, and not ancient DNA dating back over 40,000 years. The Elders of the Mungo Lake today have given consent for Griffith University researchers, under the direction of Professor David Lambert, to see if ancient DNA can be recovered from Mungo Man and numerous other individuals from the ancient Willandra Lakes system. This work is currently underway but really is at the edge of what is possible in ancient DNA studies.

The anatomy of the very first physical records for the First Australians also complements this picture. We see a morphology in the remains of Mungo Man and Mungo Woman, from some 42,000 years old, that would not look out of place in Aboriginal Australian populations today. Mungo Man and Woman are fully modern people in every sense of the word, and indeed represent some of the earliest modern human remains within the whole Australian-Asian region. Europe at this time was still the domain of the Neanderthals.

Finally, the study cited by Senator Leyonhjelm’s spokesperson seems to be misquoting the research of UQ Professor Hamish McGowan. While Prof McGowan does note that climatic conditions in the region around the Gwion Gwion rock art complex in northwest Australia probably meant that Aboriginal people abandoned the region for 1,500 years, he does not suggest the region was populated by an entirely different non-Aboriginal population. As noted above, there is no evidence to support such a proposal. -– Michael Westaway
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It is obvious you know less than you seem to think about this issue. I have been acquainted with people who discovered Mungo Man and know all about it. Mungo Man and his associates were Indigenous Australians. Stop bullshitting about a "cover up" having occurred. Go back to your normal Tory Party bullshit. :roll: :roll:
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Re: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal

Post by Valkie » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:33 am

2nd (rate) AUSTRALIANS
Are quite simply genocidal maniacs.
Destroying a previous race.
And now, when happening to them, they cry fowl.

And the fervently defended denial that the 2nd (rate) AUSTRALIANS were in fact not the first is championed by our resident fool bwyannnnnnnnn.

Funny, I get the feeling that there is something personal going on there.
Is it too close to the bone for our troll bwyannnnnn.

One of the terminally offended, our mate bwyannnnnnnn
Seems to be very vocal on the subject.
Accepting , with no real evidence, agriculture, aquaculture and genocide of 2nd(rate) AUSTRALIANS.

But refusing to accept that there were other races who the abbos destroyed.

Imagine, conclusive evidence of a previous race.
Wiped from the face of the earth by a Johnny come lately abbo race.
All benefits and gratuities would have to be pulled
Because now, they would only be......Just another immigrant.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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A world that has never known the horrors of the cult of death.
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Re: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal

Post by Neferti » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:16 pm

brian ross wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:46 pm
Failed as usual to answer the question.
DNA have you heard of it? Have you had your DNA checked?

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Re: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal

Post by Valkie » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:34 pm

Neferti~ wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:16 pm
brian ross wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:46 pm
Failed as usual to answer the question.
DNA have you heard of it? Have you had your DNA checked?
I'd love to have some abbo blood in me.

I woukd be straight down to the abbo centre demanding my rights
Then off to centafink and the bank.

It would be great 1% loans ill buy anything I want.
I have a dream
A world free from the plague of Islam
A world that has never known the horrors of the cult of death.
My hope is that in time, Islam will be nothing but a bad dream

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Re: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal

Post by Neferti » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:42 pm

Valkie wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:34 pm
Neferti~ wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:16 pm
brian ross wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:46 pm
Failed as usual to answer the question.
DNA have you heard of it? Have you had your DNA checked?
I'd love to have some abbo blood in me.

I woukd be straight down to the abbo centre demanding my rights
Then off to centafink and the bank.

It would be great 1% loans ill buy anything I want.

EXACTLY.

Have you noticed that most Abos have an IRISH surname? The convicts had few females so they went feral ... no idea what the male Abos were doing ... hunting and gathering, perhaps. Brian was there so he should be able to inform us all. :bgrin

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Re: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal

Post by brian ross » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:01 pm

Neferti~ wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:16 pm
brian ross wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:46 pm
Failed as usual to answer the question.
DNA have you heard of it? Have you had your DNA checked?
Oh, I know a great deal about DNA. Yes, Neferti, I have had my DNA checked. Have you?
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Re: Thus Spake Mungo: The betrayal

Post by Neferti » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:13 pm

brian ross wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:01 pm
Neferti~ wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:16 pm
brian ross wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:46 pm
Failed as usual to answer the question.
DNA have you heard of it? Have you had your DNA checked?
Oh, I know a great deal about DNA. Yes, Neferti, I have had my DNA checked. Have you?
Yes.

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