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High Court to determine Aboriginal right to exclude public from popular camping beaches

Post by The Reboot » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:36 pm

Many Australians regard the beach as a place that belongs to everyone, where no-one can be excluded. But the truth of that notion is on its way to be tested by the High Court.
Key points:

The Federal Court has already ruled that the public does not have legal access to beaches north of Broome
The Federal and WA Governments are appealing that decision in the High Court
The Kimberley Land Council says the public's access to beaches should not trump Indigenous connection to those beaches for thousands of years

The Federal Court of Australia has already decided that beaches north of Broome are the exclusive possession of native title holders and, although they are popular camping and fishing areas, the public does not have a legal right of access.

But that decision is being appealed in the High Court by the Federal and WA Governments, and the outcome will be the final word on whether native title can trump public access on an Australian beach.

The High Court is expected to hear the appeal later this year.

Time for change

CEO of the Kimberley Land Council (KLC) Nolan Hunter said the idea that the beach belongs to no-one was a hangover from terra nullius and our colonial history of not recognising Aboriginal ownership of land.

"This is about how the people should not take it for granted that Aboriginal people are just here to be abused, or taken advantage of, or dispossessed," Mr Hunter said.

"It doesn't make it right that people's access to beaches are far greater than people's access to be recognised as the people for the land that they've been connected to for thousands of years."

Mr Hunter hoped a growing understanding of Indigenous connection to country would help avoid this issue becoming an ugly fight between Aboriginal people and the general public.

"The whole point of recognising native title is that people have the ability to make decisions for their land," he said.

"You can't on the one hand say yes we recognise that you have exclusive possession native title, but it doesn't mean anything because anybody should be able to go there."

Preserving public access

The Federal Court finally determined exclusive possession last year over a 40-kilometre stretch of coast from Willie Creek, north of Broome, to Coulomb Point, 26 years after the first claim was made.

The initial determination also included public access rights to the beaches alongside the traditional owners' exclusive possession.

But the legal basis for this public access was appealed by the Bindunbur and Jabirr Jabirr/Ngumbarl traditional owners, and in December 2018 the Full Federal Court upheld that appeal and removed the right of public access to beaches, waterways, marshes, and riverbanks.

Although this stretch of coast is a popular camping and fishing destination used by Broome locals and squadrons of visiting caravaners and four-wheel drivers, this access had no legal basis such as being gazetted for recreational or conservation purposes.

Last week the High Court granted leave to the Federal and WA Governments to appeal the Federal Court's decision to remove public access rights to this area.

The Attorney-General's office declined to be interviewed about this appeal, but provided a statement to the ABC.

"We are arguing in support of the access clause being consistent with provisions in the Native Title Act which allows governments to confirm existing ability of the public to access and enjoy waterways and coastal areas," the statement read in part.

The WA Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Lands, Ben Wyatt, also declined to be interviewed on this issue, but also provided a statement.

"The state always seeks to maintain public access rights to beaches and waterways as a part of determinations of native title," the statement read in part.

"We also need to ensure that Aboriginal interest holders who are not native title holders also have their rights of access to these public places protected."

s existing beach access a legal right?

The High Court's decision about the public's right to access the beach will come down to one section of the Native Title Act, and what is meant by public access, according to president of the WA Law Society and native title expert Greg McIntyre.

"It says a law of the Commonwealth, a state or a territory can confirm any existing public access to and enjoyment of waterways, coastal waters, beaches," Mr McIntyre said.

"Public access is not a very often used legal term, and whether it overcomes the right of exclusive possession is, I think, what they're wanting to test in this appeal."

He doubts that public access will trump exclusive possession in this case because of the lack of a legal basis.

Mr McIntyre said the idea that this could set a precedent for widespread banning of the public from beaches was not likely.

"Theoretically it's possible for native title to exist on beaches because they aren't generally privately owned," he said.

But the requirement of the Native Title Act to demonstrate ongoing connection of a continuous cultural tradition often prevents native title being granted in the first place.

Even if the High Court upholds the exclusive possession in the case of the beaches north of Broome, it remains to be seen how traditional owners may use that right.

"It depends upon the attitude of the title holders as to whether they're going to exercise those rights," Mr McIntyre said.

Mr Hunter said it remained to be seen how traditional owners will use their right to exclude the public from the beaches north of Broome, should the High Court find in their favour.

The KLC website suggests the implementation of visitor permits and the establishment of Indigenous ranger groups are possible outcomes.

But concerns about being able to camp and fish on a beach should pale in comparison to the concerns of Aboriginal people regaining rights to their country, according to Mr Hunter.

"I don't think they should be worried because the flipside of it is that they should respect that people have gotten a legal recognition through the High Court about their ownership to the native title area," he said.

"The only difference to me is that Aboriginal people have to fight for the rights that they get recognised for, but the public have a right that they never had to fight for."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-27/ ... t/11245540

So much for "equality". :roll:

Oh and good on them, by the way, that's great. They really have their priorities right. Countless Abo children living in third world conditions and the focus is on banning "Invasion" Day, stopping people from climbing a "sacred" rock and now banning people from going to a beach because they don't share their blood. Racists, reverse Nazism. Boong Master Race.

I have noticed a pattern now, where the many different micro groups fighting against non-existent oppression are in fact creating even more "phobias" and in this case, racism.

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Re: High Court to determine Aboriginal right to exclude public from popular camping beaches

Post by Black Orchid » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:44 pm

The Reboot wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:36 pm

I have noticed a pattern now, where the many different micro groups fighting against non-existent oppression are in fact creating even more "phobias" and in this case, racism.
I have said this all along and it is exactly what they are doing. Intentionally? Probably.

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Re: High Court to determine Aboriginal right to exclude public from popular camping beaches

Post by billy the kid » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:56 pm

But but but....isn't this all part of the "reconciliation"....
ffs...we cant even create a go kart track on the top of Mount Panorama (Bathurst)
because "they" tell us there are ancient rocks up there....
This is the type of bullshit advanced by the indigenous activists which only serves to
alienate the rest of us against any type of indigenous "cause"
We see through the bullshit and call it what it is....but in public we have to
shut our pie holes otherwise the indigenous "community" might get hurt and offended...
Its all fkn bullshit...
They can all fuck off as far as Im concerned...theyre more trouble than theyre worth....
To discover those who rule over you, first discover those who you cannot criticize...Voltaire
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Re: High Court to determine Aboriginal right to exclude public from popular camping beaches

Post by The Reboot » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:59 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:44 pm
The Reboot wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:36 pm

I have noticed a pattern now, where the many different micro groups fighting against non-existent oppression are in fact creating even more "phobias" and in this case, racism.
I have said this all along and it is exactly what they are doing. Intentionally? Probably.
You are a very intelligent woman :thumb
billy the kid wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:56 pm
But but but....isn't this all part of the "reconciliation"....
ffs...we cant even create a go kart track on the top of Mount Panorama (Bathurst)
because "they" tell us there are ancient rocks up there....
This is the type of bullshit advanced by the indigenous activists which only serves to
alienate the rest of us against any type of indigenous "cause"
We see through the bullshit and call it what it is....but in public we have to
shut our pie holes otherwise the indigenous "community" might get hurt and offended...
Its all fkn bullshit...
They can all fuck off as far as Im concerned...theyre more trouble than theyre worth....
And the government wonders why "reconciliation" is ultimately failing.

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Re: High Court to determine Aboriginal right to exclude public from popular camping beaches

Post by billy the kid » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:04 pm

The Reboot wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:59 pm
Black Orchid wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:44 pm
The Reboot wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:36 pm

I have noticed a pattern now, where the many different micro groups fighting against non-existent oppression are in fact creating even more "phobias" and in this case, racism.
I have said this all along and it is exactly what they are doing. Intentionally? Probably.
You are a very intelligent woman :thumb
billy the kid wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:56 pm
But but but....isn't this all part of the "reconciliation"....
ffs...we cant even create a go kart track on the top of Mount Panorama (Bathurst)
because "they" tell us there are ancient rocks up there....
This is the type of bullshit advanced by the indigenous activists which only serves to
alienate the rest of us against any type of indigenous "cause"
We see through the bullshit and call it what it is....but in public we have to
shut our pie holes otherwise the indigenous "community" might get hurt and offended...
Its all fkn bullshit...
They can all fuck off as far as Im concerned...theyre more trouble than theyre worth....
And the government wonders why "reconciliation" is ultimately failing.

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Re: High Court to determine Aboriginal right to exclude public from popular camping beaches

Post by brian ross » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:53 pm

I find it interesting that people decry Indigenous Groups exercising their legal rights as far as Land Rights are concerned. You should always remember, White Australia stole Australia from the Indigenous peoples. The Indigenous Peoples took the White Government to court and won their case first with Mabo and then confirmed it with the Wik case. This is the legal reality. Terra Nullius was overturned. The Australian Government has managed, through legal sleight of hand to bring Native Title into the existing land ownership regime. They laid down the rules by which Native Title could be claimed. Indigenous tribes have managed to make claims and they have been honoured by the Courts and by the Government(s) of Australia.

So, now White Australia is being made to respect Indigenous land rights. No visiting some beaches. No climbing a sacred rock. No mining on some lands. No development on some lands. That is what legally they are able to do. Decry it all you like, you don't have a legal leg to stand on.

Just how likely are white Australians to visit certain beaches? Climb a sacred rock? Mine or develop certain lands? Australia is a vast continent. Get over it. :roll:
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Re: High Court to determine Aboriginal right to exclude public from popular camping beaches

Post by billy the kid » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:59 pm

No wonder everyone hates your guts....you're just a condescending, sanctimonious fuckhead….
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Re: High Court to determine Aboriginal right to exclude public from popular camping beaches

Post by The Reboot » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:07 pm

billy the kid wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:59 pm
No wonder everyone hates your guts....you're just a condescending, sanctimonious fuckhead….
Did somebody fart?

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Re: High Court to determine Aboriginal right to exclude public from popular camping beaches

Post by Black Orchid » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:17 pm

Just how likely are white Australians to visit certain beaches? Climb a sacred rock? Mine or develop certain lands? Australia is a vast continent. Get over it.
I would say Australians visit most every beach that isn't inhabited by saltwater Crocs. Australia IS a vast continent but most of it is uninhabitable and 90% of us live on the coast where guess what? The beaches are! :roll:

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Re: High Court to determine Aboriginal right to exclude public from popular camping beaches

Post by cods » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:56 pm

brian ross wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:53 pm
I find it interesting that people decry Indigenous Groups exercising their legal rights as far as Land Rights are concerned. You should always remember, White Australia stole Australia from the Indigenous peoples. The Indigenous Peoples took the White Government to court and won their case first with Mabo and then confirmed it with the Wik case. This is the legal reality. Terra Nullius was overturned. The Australian Government has managed, through legal sleight of hand to bring Native Title into the existing land ownership regime. They laid down the rules by which Native Title could be claimed. Indigenous tribes have managed to make claims and they have been honoured by the Courts and by the Government(s) of Australia.

So, now White Australia is being made to respect Indigenous land rights. No visiting some beaches. No climbing a sacred rock. No mining on some lands. No development on some lands. That is what legally they are able to do. Decry it all you like, you don't have a legal leg to stand on.

Just how likely are white Australians to visit certain beaches? Climb a sacred rock? Mine or develop certain lands? Australia is a vast continent. Get over it. :roll:
tell us bri bri... when did whitey ever charge aboriginals to access something he owns...

its weird no one owns the land...it was here long before man walked on it....


when they find a way to pick it up and cart it on their backs like the tortoise....let me know bri bri..

in the mean time please dont talk about reconciliation will you?.... every demand they make is just another blow to that ever happening.


btw our aboriginal chums do not mind whitey climbing a sacred rock as long as they PAY>



sacred dont make me laugh......

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