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Another crumbling building

Post by Black Orchid » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:37 pm

Owners of apartments in the Mascot Towers development will be left with a hefty bill to repair structural damage as the building is too old to fall under warranty, with property experts calling for better consumer protections.

Residents were forced to evacuate the 10-storey Sydney building on Friday night after major cracks appeared in its beams.

Temporary building props were installed in the carpark earlier this week due to the "rapid deterioration" of cracks within a primary support beam, residents were told.

Under NSW law, building defects are covered under warranty for six years after completion of a development.

Stephen Goddard, spokesman for the Owners Corporation Network — an advocacy group for owners in strata schemes — said owners of apartments in the decade-old Mascot Towers development were no longer covered by the statutory warranty period and would now be left with a hefty bill.

"Consumers have nowhere to go in these sorts of situations, there's nobody for them to sue, there's nowhere for them to turn," Mr Goddard said.

"People have more consumer protection buying a fridge than a million-dollar apartment."

The owners corporation would now pay for the cost of repairs to the building by raising strata levies, he said.

Mr Goddard said 80 per cent of all new apartment buildings were constructed with structural defects, many of which do not appear until the six-year warranty has passed.

"Anybody looking to purchase in a building less than 10 years of age is foolish because the defects will not have yet surfaced," he said.

"Don't buy anything less than 10 years old. You never buy off the plan, it's unsafe to do so," he said, adding that buyers should not assume any modern apartment building had been built to code.

Mr Goddard, who is also a strata lawyer, said the High Court had recently confirmed that developers and builders do not owe owners' corporations any duty of care because owners' corporations do not exist at the time of registration of the plan.

He called on the NSW Parliament to create a statutory duty of care to better protect consumers and said, so far, there had been no political incentive for governments to do so.

"Most of our parliaments are on a sort of junkie hit when it comes to the building industry," he said.

"The more they help the builder build, the more stamp duty they get, the more council and water rates come in.

The structural problems in Mascot come six months after 3,000 residents of the Opal Tower at Olympic Park were evacuated from the building after major movement was detected.

Mr Goddard said the implications for owners in these buildings could be ongoing.

"The building will become toxic, just like Opal, where you won't be able to sell out of it because people know of the structural defects," he said.

"For many years, ever-increasing property prices have 'wallpapered' over the issue.

"We're now seeing owners confronted with the possibility that their investment … may be lower than their outstanding mortgage."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-16/ ... s/11214328

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Someone needs to step up and clean out the building industry and protect owners from shonky workmanship.

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Re: Another crumbling building

Post by Bobby » Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:54 pm

Hi BO,
it's a disgrace.
I was in the old area of Barcelona in the 80s.
I walked next to buildings/houses that were built over 2000 years ago.
they are still standing & as good as the day they were built.
There were no cracks in any of the stone blocks.

This is all about greed -
charge customers the maximum amount of money
for the worst possible crap they can build and get away with.
Insurance companies should be paying out this but I bet they won't -
there will be escape clauses in the fine print.

The building inspectors should be sued but it won't happen.
the council should be sued - but they'll get out of it.
The engineers who approved the plans should be sued - it won't happen either.

It's the same with Grenfell tower in London -
not one person has gone to jail.

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Re: Another crumbling building

Post by Black Orchid » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:07 pm

It really is a disgrace. Not far from me unit blocks are going up faster than you can blink. Beautiful older structurally sound houses have been pulled down to make way for slap up unit blocks that will end up being the slums of the future. It's sheer greed and the owners should be the last people responsible when the walls start opening up.

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Re: Another crumbling building

Post by Bobby » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:13 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:07 pm
It really is a disgrace. Not far from me unit blocks are going up faster than you can blink. Beautiful older structurally sound houses have been pulled down to make way for slap up unit blocks that will end up being the slums of the future. It's sheer greed and the owners should be the last people responsible when the walls start opening up.

And people have payed megabucks for often little 50m2 dog box 1 bedroom flats.

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Re: Another crumbling building

Post by Black Orchid » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:21 pm

Mega bucks here! Don't ever buy a unit in a block less than 10 years old.

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Re: Another crumbling building

Post by Bobby » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:08 am

Black Orchid wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:21 pm
Mega bucks here! Don't ever buy a unit in a block less than 10 years old.

But some of the newer ones can be the worst made.
A good solid older place that has no cracks anywhere has been built properly -
proven by the test of time.

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Re: Another crumbling building

Post by Black Orchid » Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:20 am

Bobby wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:08 am
Black Orchid wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:21 pm
Mega bucks here! Don't ever buy a unit in a block less than 10 years old.

But some of the newer ones can be the worst made.
A good solid older place that has no cracks anywhere has been built properly -
proven by the test of time.
That's why I said not to buy in a building LESS than 10 years old. It's only been the last 10 years or so that they have rushed to erect these inferior buildings using inferior products and inferior labour to keep up with the Chinese demand and swelling of people.

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Re: Another crumbling building

Post by Bobby » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:12 am

Black Orchid wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:20 am
Bobby wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:08 am
Black Orchid wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:21 pm
Mega bucks here! Don't ever buy a unit in a block less than 10 years old.

But some of the newer ones can be the worst made.
A good solid older place that has no cracks anywhere has been built properly -
proven by the test of time.
That's why I said not to buy in a building LESS than 10 years old. It's only been the last 10 years or so that they have rushed to erect these inferior buildings using inferior products and inferior labour to keep up with the Chinese demand and swelling of people.
OK - sorry I misread your post.
I've seen some very shoddy fast work
being done on town houses and flats.
They knock them up so fast and if
they cut a piece of wood too short
they still use it.
They won't cut a new piece of the correct length.

They don't do proper foundations
which means that when the ground
sinks in one spot the building cracks.
I don't know how they pass the
Council building inspection.
I think there's corruption.

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Re: Another crumbling building

Post by cods » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:21 am

I dont entirely blame the builders..I know up go the eyebrows.... hear me out..

first of all look at the number of buildings BUILT in Sydney ... and this is TWO we are talking about..

doesnt it seem odd to anyone same structural problems...

I wonder about that state of the land they were built on...lets face it..

when a tree is felled it takes many years for the roots to rot away...same with garbage people would have buried their garbage 150 years ago.
and when its finally goes it sinks just a fraction...Sydney also has heavy rain falls...all take their toll over the years....as bo says little one storey cottages wouldnt make any difference but huge buildings just might....

I dont think its as simple as blaming the building industry....

of course I wouldnt want to be one of the tenants either..

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Re: Another crumbling building

Post by Bobby » Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:48 pm

Real estate agent reveals hundreds of thousands of dollars ‘wiped off’ unit values
A one-bedroom apartment in Sydney’s embattled Mascot Towers complex was on the market for $740,000.
Today, it’s virtually worthless.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/c ... 01f4c749d6

The building was evacuated on Friday night due to serious concerns regarding cracks in the primary support structure and facade masonry.

Mr Xylas said the situation had seriously affected the financial security of owners within the decade-old complex, located in the inner southern Sydney suburb of Mascot.

“We’ve got a unit for sale for $740,000 and we’ve had offers of in excess of $1.2 million previously for other apartments in the building — what are they worth today?” he said.

“I definitely think this will wipe a considerable amount of value off all those units one way or another, at least until a buyer can be satisfied there are no more unknowns.

“It’s a terrible situation … it must be very stressful. A lot of owners have mortgages and all of a sudden they can’t rent (their units) out, and some owners may now have to rent elsewhere.”

Mr Xylas said he was meeting with the owner of the property currently on the market today to discuss his options.

But he said he would recommend taking the apartment off the market “for now” until the owner knew exactly “how bad the damage is and what it’s going to cost him”, adding there was little chance of someone buying the property now “for a reasonable amount”.

“You want to know that what you’re buying is still going to be standing — it’s not too much to ask,” he said.

“No solicitor would advise their client to purchase any property without first checking the title and the building’s integrity — there’s no question about it, no one would be advising their client to proceed with a sale.”

“There are more consumer protections for people who buy a refrigerator than
those who bought an apartment in Mascot Towers,” he said.

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