Melbourne Crime Watch

[brian ross]

I don’t like what I’m seeing with self defense laws in Australia. I see stories of groups of people breaking into homes and if a homeowner defends himself with a gun, he is treated like a criminal. I’m a big fan of the castle doctrine. Basically, it’s open season on any criminal who breaks into an occupied car or home.

Thankfully we don't live in the Wild West downunder, Tex. Most Australians don't like what they see in the US as far as self-defence goes. Oh, you also cannot own a gun for self-defence in Australia. That was taken away as justification for gun ownership after the 1996 Port Arthur Massacre. It was why we enacted strict firearms legislation in Australia, to stop us "going down the American road".

Downunder, Criminals have rights just as much as their victims do. If you respond to a criminal, your response must be proportionate to the threat you are facing.

It is not unusual for homeowners who respond disproportionately to a criminal threat to face criminal charges such as manslaughter (if they kill the criminal) or assault. The Police attitude is that it is easier and safer to allow the judiciary to work out if they are guilty of those crimes, rather than have them act as the judge and jury.

Simply being charged does not mean they are judged guilty until the courts have seen the evidence to show they are.

If a criminal breaks into your home at night, how are you supposed to know what a proportionate response is? Do they text you ahead of time to tell you how many will be in attendance and which weapons they will be bringing? How can you tell what is a proportionate response in the dark? Happy guessing. Your life, your wife’s chastity, and your freedom all may depend on your choice of weapon.

Well, as relatively few criminals have guns, you really don't need to worry about that aspect, Tex. Many have knives so a chair or a similar implement that keeps them at arms length would do the trick.

The problem is, for you, Tex, you society has become so weaponised, guns are the solution to all problems, according to the NRA. Downunder, guns are relatively rarely used in crimes because of the penalties that means the criminal is faced with when they are sentenced. Doesn't mean they aren't used, just that they are only used occasionally.

As to what is "proportionate", well as long as you don't kill your opponent, basically anything is allowed (even guns).

[Black Orchid]

Most criminals in our big cities have guns Brian and there are LOTS of criminals now of the imported variety which means lots of guns in the hands of those committing the crimes.

Deny it all you want but you will always be wrong. Your projection of Podunk being representative of Australia now is delusional and naive. You need to get out more.

[Nicole]

[brian ross]

Most criminals in our big cities have guns Brian and there are LOTS of criminals now of the imported variety which means lots of guns in the hands of those committing the crimes.

Really? Is that why we have relatively few reports of guns being used to commit crimes?

Deny it all you want but you will always be wrong. Your projection of Podunk being representative of Australia now is delusional and naive. You need to get out more.

And your attempt to represent Sydney as being representative of the whole of Australia is what, Black Orchid? Grow up. Get out of your North Shore house and see the rest of Australia for a change. You might be delighted in the people you meet and the sights you see.

[Nicole]

[Black Orchid]

Most criminals in our big cities have guns Brian and there are LOTS of criminals now of the imported variety which means lots of guns in the hands of those committing the crimes.

Really? Is that why we have relatively few reports of guns being used to commit crimes?

Deny it all you want but you will always be wrong. Your projection of Podunk being representative of Australia now is delusional and naive. You need to get out more.

And your attempt to represent Sydney as being representative of the whole of Australia is what, Black Orchid? Grow up. Get out of your North Shore house and see the rest of Australia for a change. You might be delighted in the people you meet and the sights you see.

In Podunk you probably only have Podunk reports, Brian. Who is this 'we' you talk of? Because the WE in NSW, and probably in Victoria too, hear about gun crimes, bashings and rapes nightly. Every night!

I have never ever attempted to cite Sydney as being representative of the whole of Australia. Sydney and Melbourne are the cities that have to put up with all this scum you far left idiots encourage to be imported in their hundreds of thousands. Where do most of the tourists go Brian? Podunk or Sydney or Melbourne? The answer certainly isn't Podunk.

As for your constant North Shore jabs this is also typical of your socialist/Marxist class wars damaged mindset.

It's people like you who have ruined the fabric and social structure of our major cities forever and that WILL be reflective on all of Australia.

In Australia, Roy Morgan Research found NSW suburbs such as Lakemba, Fairfield and Wiley Park, Victoria’s Dandenong and Cranbourne, Brisbane’s Redcliffe and Cooloongup in Perth as growing areas for crime.

Lakemba, Fairfield, Wiley Park are dense muslim areas. You know those very peaceful people that you identify with. I am not familiar with Melbourne. Perhaps you should move to Cooloongup and get a dose of what you have inflicted on the rest of us.

It's you who needs to grow up and get out into the world Brian. There really are real people out there who know what's going on. Stop listening to the voices in your head. Seems you are a one man crowd with all those voices in your head that you identify as 'we'.

[Texan]

I don’t like what I’m seeing with self defense laws in Australia. I see stories of groups of people breaking into homes and if a homeowner defends himself with a gun, he is treated like a criminal. I’m a big fan of the castle doctrine. Basically, it’s open season on any criminal who breaks into an occupied car or home.

Thankfully we don't live in the Wild West downunder, Tex. Most Australians don't like what they see in the US as far as self-defence goes. Oh, you also cannot own a gun for self-defence in Australia. That was taken away as justification for gun ownership after the 1996 Port Arthur Massacre. It was why we enacted strict firearms legislation in Australia, to stop us "going down the American road".

Downunder, Criminals have rights just as much as their victims do. If you respond to a criminal, your response must be proportionate to the threat you are facing.

It is not unusual for homeowners who respond disproportionately to a criminal threat to face criminal charges such as manslaughter (if they kill the criminal) or assault. The Police attitude is that it is easier and safer to allow the judiciary to work out if they are guilty of those crimes, rather than have them act as the judge and jury.

Simply being charged does not mean they are judged guilty until the courts have seen the evidence to show they are.

If a criminal breaks into your home at night, how are you supposed to know what a proportionate response is? Do they text you ahead of time to tell you how many will be in attendance and which weapons they will be bringing? How can you tell what is a proportionate response in the dark? Happy guessing. Your life, your wife’s chastity, and your freedom all may depend on your choice of weapon.

Well, as relatively few criminals have guns, you really don't need to worry about that aspect, Tex. Many have knives so a chair or a similar implement that keeps them at arms length would do the trick.

The problem is, for you, Tex, you society has become so weaponised, guns are the solution to all problems, according to the NRA. Downunder, guns are relatively rarely used in crimes because of the penalties that means the criminal is faced with when they are sentenced. Doesn't mean they aren't used, just that they are only used occasionally.

As to what is "proportionate", well as long as you don't kill your opponent, basically anything is allowed (even guns).

You completely ignored what I posted. I said nothing about criminals having guns. What if 4 “men” barge into your home just after your family goes to bed? They are armed with knives and clubs or are unarmed. Other than calling the police if you have time, how do you respond and with what level of force? What happens if you use your kids cricket bat and you discover that they are unarmed? You are unable to predict what force you can legally use until it’s too late.

In my house, I identify that they are not my family members or guests and shoot one of them. The rest will run, most likely. I can’t afford to assume that they only want to rob me. We have a saying here. Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. Why else would 4 people break into an occupied home but to rape, rob, or kill? Texas law recognizes that fact and allows me to defend my family.

[Black Orchid]

In my house, I identify that they are not my family members or guests and shoot one of them. The rest will run, most likely. I can’t afford to assume that they only want to rob me. We have a saying here. Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. Why else would 4 people break into an occupied home but to rape, rob, or kill? Texas law recognizes that fact and allows me to defend my family.

They obviously haven't entered your home to have tea and cake with you. If you fear for your life and that of your family you don't stand around thinking about what may be 'proportionate'. You act!

Your adrenaline is pumping and you strike with whatever is available to you.

[billy the kid]

In my house, I identify that they are not my family members or guests and shoot one of them. The rest will run, most likely. I can’t afford to assume that they only want to rob me. We have a saying here. Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. Why else would 4 people break into an occupied home but to rape, rob, or kill? Texas law recognizes that fact and allows me to defend my family.

They obviously haven't entered your home to have tea and cake with you. If you fear for your life and that of your family you don't stand around thinking about what may be 'proportionate'. You act!

Your adrenaline is pumping and you strike with whatever is available to you.

As usual, right on cue, the resident moron answers with his usual knows fuck all, knows nothing attitude...
"A chair will do the trick..."....the mans a fkn fool....

[IQS.RLOW]

Comical. Reaching peak 'wokeness' with self-virtue signalling.
Reminds me of an ABC journo and his answer to combating terrorism through "cultured reason" and the "audacious confidence in the fundamental goodness of others"