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Black Orchid
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by Black Orchid » Mon May 20, 2019 1:19 pm
Redneck wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:08 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:04 pm
Redneck wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:01 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:59 pm
Redneck wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:56 pm
So you agree on 70 then!
I don't agree with 67 so why would I agree with 70? I think the absolute limit should have been 65.
I agree maybe your Evangelical Christian Mr Morrison will change it back while teaching his pigs to fly!
Maybe your idiot money grabbing lefty marxists should have left it alone to begin with
The left really ARE for the workers right? So long as they KEEP WORKING into old age and drop dead before pension age!!
Will Morriscum change it back?
With the state of the economy right now the answer is obviously not!
Why is it so amusing to you?
Where were you when Labor raised it? Did you think it was a wonderful idea and a 'responsible reform' like Swan and Macklin did?
"‘”Increasing the age pension age is a responsible reform to meet the challenge of an ageing population and the economic impact it will have for all Australians”
Responsible reform to meet the challenge of an ageing population? Give me a break!
So you were AOK with it back then but now choose to attack Morrison for not reversing it? You lefties never cease to amaze me.
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Neferti
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by Neferti » Mon May 20, 2019 1:24 pm
Neferti~ wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:17 pm
LABOR changed the Pension Age to 67, announced in the Budget of 2009, by Wayne Swan.
Delivering his second budget, Treasurer Wayne Swan admitted the pension age move would be unpopular but said it was necessary because Australia faced a "demographic time bomb".
https://www.smh.com.au/national/hard-la ... -b24v.html
Stop blaming Tony Abbott for the Pension age change ... it was SWAN.
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Black Orchid
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by Black Orchid » Mon May 20, 2019 1:28 pm
No-one is disputing that Swan lifted the pension age to 67.
Abbott did, however, propose raising it to 70.
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Redneck
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by Redneck » Mon May 20, 2019 1:30 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:19 pm
Redneck wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:08 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:04 pm
Redneck wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:01 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 12:59 pm
I don't agree with 67 so why would I agree with 70? I think the absolute limit should have been 65.
I agree maybe your Evangelical Christian Mr Morrison will change it back while teaching his pigs to fly!
Maybe your idiot money grabbing lefty marxists should have left it alone to begin with
The left really ARE for the workers right? So long as they KEEP WORKING into old age and drop dead before pension age!!
Will Morriscum change it back?
With the state of the economy right now the answer is obviously not!
Why is it so amusing to you?
Where were you when Labor raised it? Did you think it was a wonderful idea and a 'responsible reform' like Swan and Macklin did?
"‘”Increasing the age pension age is a responsible reform to meet the challenge of an ageing population and the economic impact it will have for all Australians”
Responsible reform to meet the challenge of an ageing population? Give me a break!
So you were AOK with it back then but now choose to attack Morrison for not reversing it? You lefties never cease to amaze me.
Cant say I have ever been OK with it then or now! But one takes the hand they are dealt!
If I was a pragmatic person I probably would say raising it to 70 was the correct thing to do based on the longevity of the population rising!
I would also have to realise that this wouldnt suit all workers especially those employed in hard physical work bricklayers as an example. The proposal never seemed to take that into account.
As the number of people on the pension rises dont be surprised if it isnt visited again, I would bet my last dollar on that happening at some stage regardless of who is in power. Especially if you rightards get your wish of less immigration and our birthrate remains low.
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Neferti
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by Neferti » Mon May 20, 2019 1:32 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:28 pm
No-one is disputing that Swan lifted the pension age to 67.
Abbott did, however, propose raising it to 70.
Sorry, I thought Red had said that Abbott had changed the Pension Age to 67. He did NOT, that was Swan/Rudd.
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Redneck
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by Redneck » Mon May 20, 2019 1:34 pm
Neferti~ wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:32 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:28 pm
No-one is disputing that Swan lifted the pension age to 67.
Abbott did, however, propose raising it to 70.
Sorry, I thought Red had said that Abbott had changed the Pension Age to 67. He did NOT, that was Swan/Rudd.
I forgive you dear just dont let it happen again!
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Black Orchid
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by Black Orchid » Mon May 20, 2019 1:39 pm
Redneck wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:30 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:19 pm
Redneck wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:08 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:04 pm
Maybe your idiot money grabbing lefty marxists should have left it alone to begin with
The left really ARE for the workers right? So long as they KEEP WORKING into old age and drop dead before pension age!!
Will Morriscum change it back?
With the state of the economy right now the answer is obviously not!
Why is it so amusing to you?
Where were you when Labor raised it? Did you think it was a wonderful idea and a 'responsible reform' like Swan and Macklin did?
"‘”Increasing the age pension age is a responsible reform to meet the challenge of an ageing population and the economic impact it will have for all Australians”
Responsible reform to meet the challenge of an ageing population? Give me a break!
So you were AOK with it back then but now choose to attack Morrison for not reversing it? You lefties never cease to amaze me.
Cant say I have ever been OK with it then or now! But one takes the hand they are dealt!
If I was a pragmatic person I probably would say raising it to 70 was the correct thing to do based on the longevity of the population rising!
I would also have to realise that this wouldnt suit all workers especially those employed in hard physical work bricklayers as an example. The proposal never seemed to take that into account.
As the number of people on the pension rises dont be surprised if it isnt visited again, I would bet my last dollar on that happening at some stage regardless of who is in power. Especially if you rightards get your wish of less immigration and our birthrate remains low.
I am sure it will be revisited again but Labor are supposed to be for blue collar workers and it would be cruel to expect them to work until they are 70.
I want less immigration of UNSKILLED workers. Get it right. Sydney is full and those hundreds of thousands dumped here are mainly NON skilled. 85% of all muslims here are not working after 5 years. THOSE are the ones I do not want.
We could also try to balance things out a bit more and get skilled workers from western countries instead of so many third worlders we now see in the hospital system who can't even speak English.
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Neferti
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by Neferti » Mon May 20, 2019 1:42 pm
As far as I am aware, you can still retire at 55 (with access to your super) if you want to and have enough superannuation or savings to support yourself.
Didn't Keating bring in the compulsory superannuation in the 90's, so that people would be able to support themselves in their retirement, rather than rely on the Age Pension, due to the aging population, low birthrate, etcetera? That was the plan, anyway, I thought.
If you win Lotto at 25, you can retire at that age too, if you want to!
Nobody is saying you have to wait until you are 67 (or 70) to RETIRE ... just you aren't eligible to apply for the Age Pension until you are that age.
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Black Orchid
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by Black Orchid » Mon May 20, 2019 1:47 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:39 pm
Redneck wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:30 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:19 pm
Redneck wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:08 pm
Black Orchid wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 1:04 pm
Maybe your idiot money grabbing lefty marxists should have left it alone to begin with
The left really ARE for the workers right? So long as they KEEP WORKING into old age and drop dead before pension age!!
Will Morriscum change it back?
With the state of the economy right now the answer is obviously not!
Why is it so amusing to you?
Where were you when Labor raised it? Did you think it was a wonderful idea and a 'responsible reform' like Swan and Macklin did?
"‘”Increasing the age pension age is a responsible reform to meet the challenge of an ageing population and the economic impact it will have for all Australians”
Responsible reform to meet the challenge of an ageing population? Give me a break!
So you were AOK with it back then but now choose to attack Morrison for not reversing it? You lefties never cease to amaze me.
Cant say I have ever been OK with it then or now! But one takes the hand they are dealt!
If I was a pragmatic person I probably would say raising it to 70 was the correct thing to do based on the longevity of the population rising!
I would also have to realise that this wouldnt suit all workers especially those employed in hard physical work bricklayers as an example. The proposal never seemed to take that into account.
As the number of people on the pension rises dont be surprised if it isnt visited again, I would bet my last dollar on that happening at some stage regardless of who is in power. Especially if you rightards get your wish of less immigration and our birthrate remains low.
I am sure it will be revisited again but Labor are supposed to be for blue collar workers and it would be cruel to expect them to work until they are 70.
I want less immigration of UNSKILLED workers. Get it right. Sydney is full and those hundreds of thousands dumped here are mainly NON skilled. 85% of all muslims here are not working after 5 years. THOSE are the ones I do not want.
We could also try to balance things out a bit more and get skilled workers from western countries instead of so many third worlders we now see in the hospital system who can't even speak English.
Expanding on this I have a HUGE problem with importing millions of people who end up on the dole and then punishing hard working Aussies, who have worked hard and paid tax all of their lives, by increasing their pension age just to pay for the imported dregs to live on welfare.
You should have a problem with this too!
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Neferti
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by Neferti » Mon May 20, 2019 1:55 pm
We already have enough UNSKILLED workers. We don't need them or their parents out here either. I was annoyed that Morrison didn't address immigration during his Election Campaign. Maybe he will look at it later once he has settled?
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