I fear for Australias future

[Texan]

Numbers vary on the illegal population because nobody KNOWS the population. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are tiny. Do they even have more people than California? Why do Canadians come to America for joint replacements? Because socialized anything sucks. Socialism encourages laziness by guaranteeing something for nothing from those who are forced to work extra to provide. I’m paying $1100/ month for healthcare and the illegals and lazy get it for free along with the truly disabled from the taxes I pay.

I have no idea why Canadians go to the US for joint replacement operations, Tex. I know that under Australia's semi-Socialised medical system, my son cost me nothing when he was born and spent six months in ICU at the hospital. In the US, I don't doubt I would still be in debt and be paying off his bill twenty years later. You are entitled to your ignorant ideas even if they are well, ignorant, Tex. However, your ignorance is your own devising. Afterall, you've been offered education and you turn your back on it. Why? Is it too difficult to learn the truth?

Canadians and Brits come to America for joint replacements because they would have to wait months or years for the same operations in a socialized system. We have more control over our healthcare and don’t have the government telling us when to die because our healthcare is too expensive. I pay a lot of money for my insurance premiums, but I get better care. My insurance would pay for a joint replacement or premature newborn without bankrupting me. Making me wait for a year for a knee replacement Might break me financially and keep me miserable while I wait. The Canadians and Brits are the wealthy who would rather pay cash for an operation and receive better care than wait for the “free” surgery.

[brian ross]

Numbers vary on the illegal population because nobody KNOWS the population. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are tiny. Do they even have more people than California? Why do Canadians come to America for joint replacements? Because socialized anything sucks. Socialism encourages laziness by guaranteeing something for nothing from those who are forced to work extra to provide. I’m paying $1100/ month for healthcare and the illegals and lazy get it for free along with the truly disabled from the taxes I pay.

I have no idea why Canadians go to the US for joint replacement operations, Tex. I know that under Australia's semi-Socialised medical system, my son cost me nothing when he was born and spent six months in ICU at the hospital. In the US, I don't doubt I would still be in debt and be paying off his bill twenty years later. You are entitled to your ignorant ideas even if they are well, ignorant, Tex. However, your ignorance is your own devising. Afterall, you've been offered education and you turn your back on it. Why? Is it too difficult to learn the truth?

Canadians and Brits come to America for joint replacements because they would have to wait months or years for the same operations in a socialized system. We have more control over our healthcare and don’t have the government telling us when to die because our healthcare is too expensive. I pay a lot of money for my insurance premiums, but I get better care. My insurance would pay for a joint replacement or premature newborn without bankrupting me. Making me wait for a year for a knee replacement Might break me financially and keep me miserable while I wait. The Canadians and Brits are the wealthy who would rather pay cash for an operation and receive better care than wait for the “free” surgery.

Insurance is, as you note, expensive. You also need to be well prepared and well paid up, before attempting any surgery, Tex. Medical insurance downunder is expensive. When I was first married, we were poor and could not afford it. We could not afford the costs associated with having a child. With our semi-socialised medical care system, we weren't required to.

[IQS.RLOW]

We could not afford the costs associated with having a child. With our semi-socialised medical care system, we weren't required to.

Bri Bri explains exactly why socialised healthcare is flawed. He expects others to pay for his lifestyle because he lacks the ability to provide for it.

If only you had socialist health care too Texan, you too could help finance lifelong underachievers and the runt litters they produce.

[Texan]

We could not afford the costs associated with having a child. With our semi-socialised medical care system, we weren't required to.

Bri Bri explains exactly why socialised healthcare is flawed. He expects others to pay for his lifestyle because he lacks the ability to provide for it.

If only you had socialist health care too Texan, you too could help finance lifelong underachievers and the runt litters they produce.

I have enough of those scampering over our Southern border. My dad used to own a construction company before he retired. He had a guy here legally from Mexico working for him. His wife was an illegal alien and they had an anchor baby. That baby needed emergency surgery and the bills reached $240k. My tax dollars picked up the tab. That's great for the baby and I'm happy for her, but she should have never existed and wouldn't have if we had closed our border to all illegal crossing.

[Texan]

Numbers vary on the illegal population because nobody KNOWS the population. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are tiny. Do they even have more people than California? Why do Canadians come to America for joint replacements? Because socialized anything sucks. Socialism encourages laziness by guaranteeing something for nothing from those who are forced to work extra to provide. I’m paying $1100/ month for healthcare and the illegals and lazy get it for free along with the truly disabled from the taxes I pay.

I have no idea why Canadians go to the US for joint replacement operations, Tex. I know that under Australia's semi-Socialised medical system, my son cost me nothing when he was born and spent six months in ICU at the hospital. In the US, I don't doubt I would still be in debt and be paying off his bill twenty years later. You are entitled to your ignorant ideas even if they are well, ignorant, Tex. However, your ignorance is your own devising. Afterall, you've been offered education and you turn your back on it. Why? Is it too difficult to learn the truth?

Canadians and Brits come to America for joint replacements because they would have to wait months or years for the same operations in a socialized system. We have more control over our healthcare and don’t have the government telling us when to die because our healthcare is too expensive. I pay a lot of money for my insurance premiums, but I get better care. My insurance would pay for a joint replacement or premature newborn without bankrupting me. Making me wait for a year for a knee replacement Might break me financially and keep me miserable while I wait. The Canadians and Brits are the wealthy who would rather pay cash for an operation and receive better care than wait for the “free” surgery.

Insurance is, as you note, expensive. You also need to be well prepared and well paid up, before attempting any surgery, Tex. Medical insurance downunder is expensive. When I was first married, we were poor and could not afford it. We could not afford the costs associated with having a child. With our semi-socialised medical care system, we weren't required to.

I have the freedom to take whatever job I want and can live whatever lifestyle I can afford. I started with nothing and am doing quite well. I've always been able to provide health insurance for my family and we have received top notch medical care. Child births, meningitis, bleeding on the brain, sutures, knee surgeries, reproductive surgery, broken bones, all covered and repaired well. If someone wants to do drugs and have kids before they can afford them, it's not my responsibility to bail them out. I was responsible enough to make those decisions. I started with nothing, worked my way through college, found a beautiful and virtuous woman to marry, had kids when we could afford them, and worked my tail off to provide for my family so that my wife hasn't taken a job outside the home in 25 years. I'm living the American dream and anybody can do it if they are willing to discipline themselves. Sure there are exceptions, but most poverty is self induced in a capitalist country.

[cods]

I am not really sure how a medical doctor is worth more..

than lets say a teacher or an ambulance worker!..

we all rely on their special abilities....they all contribute as we all do in our way.

but somehow doctors seem to have been placed far far higher than anyone else...



has anyone ever heard of a struggling doctor?...

[sprintcyclist]

We could not afford the costs associated with having a child. With our semi-socialised medical care system, we weren't required to.

Bri Bri explains exactly why socialised healthcare is flawed. He expects others to pay for his lifestyle because he lacks the ability to provide for it.

If only you had socialist health care too Texan, you too could help finance lifelong underachievers and the runt litters they produce.

I have enough of those scampering over our Southern border. My dad used to own a construction company before he retired. He had a guy here legally from Mexico working for him. His wife was an illegal alien and they had an anchor baby. That baby needed emergency surgery and the bills reached $240k. My tax dollars picked up the tab. That's great for the baby and I'm happy for her, but she should have never existed and wouldn't have if we had closed our border to all illegal crossing.

I agree

[sprintcyclist]

Numbers vary on the illegal population because nobody KNOWS the population. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are tiny. Do they even have more people than California? Why do Canadians come to America for joint replacements? Because socialized anything sucks. Socialism encourages laziness by guaranteeing something for nothing from those who are forced to work extra to provide. I’m paying $1100/ month for healthcare and the illegals and lazy get it for free along with the truly disabled from the taxes I pay.

I have no idea why Canadians go to the US for joint replacement operations, Tex. I know that under Australia's semi-Socialised medical system, my son cost me nothing when he was born and spent six months in ICU at the hospital. In the US, I don't doubt I would still be in debt and be paying off his bill twenty years later. You are entitled to your ignorant ideas even if they are well, ignorant, Tex. However, your ignorance is your own devising. Afterall, you've been offered education and you turn your back on it. Why? Is it too difficult to learn the truth?

that was a waste of my tax dollars.
you should have to pay us all back

[brian ross]

I have the freedom to take whatever job I want and can live whatever lifestyle I can afford. I started with nothing and am doing quite well. I've always been able to provide health insurance for my family and we have received top notch medical care. Child births, meningitis, bleeding on the brain, sutures, knee surgeries, reproductive surgery, broken bones, all covered and repaired well. If someone wants to do drugs and have kids before they can afford them, it's not my responsibility to bail them out. I was responsible enough to make those decisions. I started with nothing, worked my way through college, found a beautiful and virtuous woman to marry, had kids when we could afford them, and worked my tail off to provide for my family so that my wife hasn't taken a job outside the home in 25 years. I'm living the American dream and anybody can do it if they are willing to discipline themselves. Sure there are exceptions, but most poverty is self induced in a capitalist country.

The point I am making and which you are unwilling to acknowledge it seems, you cannot expect the unexpected, Tex. Insurance covers you only for the basics, it does not necessarily cover you for the advanced problems. My son was born with a physical disability. He had VATERS syndrome (don't bother looking it up, it's just an acronym for various physical problems that tend to go hand-in-hand). This was unexpected. We had basic medical insurance. However it does not, downunder, cover you for the "gaps". The gaps are what is not paid to you by Medicare which covers the basics of medical care and what the various medicos charge you for their services - which of course are higher. In our case, the hospital and Medicare agreed on the costs and so we owed the hospital nothing. In a privatised medical system, the Doctors can charge what the hell they like and do. That is why your nation's medical costs are soaring out of control, Tex. The greed of people.

Medicare was introduced because of the failures of the previous privatised medical system. Last election, it was rumoured the Tory Government was intending to scrap Medicare. They only won the election by one seat. Since then, they have lost two seats and are in minority. This election they are likely to lose Government and so they bloody well should.

I believe in the greatest good for the greatest number. Socialism provides that. Your Government and your Right-Wing have carried scare campaigns ever since before the Soviet Revolution about the supposed dangers of Socialism. That seems to be ending now. Good, about bloody time.

[brian ross]

Numbers vary on the illegal population because nobody KNOWS the population. Australia, New Zealand, and Canada are tiny. Do they even have more people than California? Why do Canadians come to America for joint replacements? Because socialized anything sucks. Socialism encourages laziness by guaranteeing something for nothing from those who are forced to work extra to provide. I’m paying $1100/ month for healthcare and the illegals and lazy get it for free along with the truly disabled from the taxes I pay.

I have no idea why Canadians go to the US for joint replacement operations, Tex. I know that under Australia's semi-Socialised medical system, my son cost me nothing when he was born and spent six months in ICU at the hospital. In the US, I don't doubt I would still be in debt and be paying off his bill twenty years later. You are entitled to your ignorant ideas even if they are well, ignorant, Tex. However, your ignorance is your own devising. Afterall, you've been offered education and you turn your back on it. Why? Is it too difficult to learn the truth?

that was a waste of my tax dollars.

So, the life of a child is in your opinion a "waste of your tax dollars," Sprint? Why, thank'ee very much. Nice way to condemn a child you've never met or even seen.

you should have to pay us all back

Well, remember, I do maximise my tax, Sprint so I am effectively paying it back, now. Our of a matter of interest, when are you going to pay back all the medical care you'll receive as you advance in life?