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Re: Morrison won’t save terrorists children

Post by cods » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:06 am

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Cods do you understand indoctrination? These 'children' have been fully indoctrinated and, yes, by their father and their mother. Do you really think a few warm hugs will change that?

Their father has been a radical all of his life so where were his parents? Right behind him! You don't think they will now influence the grand 'children' with acts of revenge towards those who killed him even though his intent was to kill as many of us as they could?

They are nothing like your own children and grandchildren.

Look at Jon Venables and Robert Thompson do you believe they can be rehabilitated? Not thus far. Not ever. They were children too.

Personally, I can think of a great number of other children I would prefer to help before those of terrorists.


yes I do in fact I believe I have even mentioned that fact black orchid....

ts sad but really we know absolutely nothing about these kids....just what we have been fed by the media...

we are of course assuming!!

for all we know they have lived in terror all their lives...fearing the madman who was their father.....

can whats happened to them be undone????? we will never know unless we try...

to bring in Venables and Thompson isnt fair bo... they were not trained in anyway... it was thought they were born like that.....

will anyone ever understand that???....with all the science at our fingertips they still have no explanation for human behavior.....

I dont think we should judge others because this or that happened....

I do understand your fear black orchid....but thats what terrorist want.....they want us to be afraid of everything even afraid of doing the right thing.....

if they bring them back they will be watched very carefully....

I am sorry I cannot bring myself to turn my back on these kids....

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Re: Morrison won’t save terrorists children

Post by cods » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:25 am

just an aside black orchid

since you mentioned Venables and thompson..

both have been out of jail for many years

to my knowledge neither has committed another murder....
they are both monitored and probably will be the rest of their lives..
I remember a huge hue and cry when they were first released....


its understandable...

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Re: Morrison won’t save terrorists children

Post by brian ross » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:25 am

What ever did happen to James Thompson and Jon Venables?

Personally, they appear to be mixed up men now, whereas they were very mixed up children. Jon Venables appears to have been involved in some minor crimes since he was released and has been charged and convicted of drug possession and child pornography. On the surface he appears "lost" and looking for something. Robert Thompson appears to have readjusted reasonably well and is in a stable relationship. Neither appear to have been "indoctrinated" with anything, other than how to behave in today's society. Jon Venables "indoctrination" appears to have failed, Thompson's has apparently worked.
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Re: Morrison won’t save terrorists children

Post by Black Orchid » Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:06 pm

Jon Venables was given extensive rehabilitation but still re-offended on release.
In 2008, seven years after being released from prison, Venables was arrested after a drunken fight and was given a formal warning by the probation service. He was also given a caution for being in possession of Class A drug cocaine.

Two years later he was sent back to prison after he was found with images of child sexual abuse.

The Parole Board recommended his release in 2013. However, in 2017 he was arrested again for possessing child abuse images, and sentenced to 40 months behind bars in February 2018, almost 25 years to the day after he murdered Bulger.
I am NOT saying that he was indoctrinated as he obviously was not. What I am saying is that just because they are children a warm hug will not make everything ok.

These 'children' of Sharrouf have endured far worse and I agree with the Kurdish foreign minister when he said they are ticking time bombs.

We can't take some and not others so what now? Why put our own children at risk from unknown variables? Soon we will be paying the legal costs for them to sue us for their return. There are many more wanting to come back to Australia but if IS was still viable and going strong do you really think they would want to be here and not there?

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Re: Morrison won’t save terrorists children

Post by billy the kid » Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:19 pm

Lets have a world without pain.......will never happen....
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Re: Morrison won’t save terrorists children

Post by brian ross » Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:48 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:06 pm
Jon Venables was given extensive rehabilitation but still re-offended on release.
In 2008, seven years after being released from prison, Venables was arrested after a drunken fight and was given a formal warning by the probation service. He was also given a caution for being in possession of Class A drug cocaine.

Two years later he was sent back to prison after he was found with images of child sexual abuse.

The Parole Board recommended his release in 2013. However, in 2017 he was arrested again for possessing child abuse images, and sentenced to 40 months behind bars in February 2018, almost 25 years to the day after he murdered Bulger.
I am NOT saying that he was indoctrinated as he obviously was not. What I am saying is that just because they are children a warm hug will not make everything ok.

These 'children' of Sharrouf have endured far worse and I agree with the Kurdish foreign minister when he said they are ticking time bombs.

We can't take some and not others so what now? Why put our own children at risk from unknown variables? Soon we will be paying the legal costs for them to sue us for their return. There are many more wanting to come back to Australia but if IS was still viable and going strong do you really think they would want to be here and not there?
There is a concept called "mercy", Black Orchid. Perhaps you missed out learning about it during your childhood. I know you were raised on the tough streets of Sydney, which is rife with drugs, violence and thieving and corruption but even there, I'm sure you must have heard of the concept. These kids have learnt bad lessons however they can still learn good lessons. Yes, they need to be deradicalised. It's not hard if it is done properly... :roll:
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Re: Morrison won’t save terrorists children

Post by Black Orchid » Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:50 pm

brian ross wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:48 pm
Yes, they need to be deradicalised. It's not hard if it is done properly... :roll:
BS. Proof? Link?

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Re: Morrison won’t save terrorists children

Post by brian ross » Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:55 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:50 pm
brian ross wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:48 pm
Yes, they need to be deradicalised. It's not hard if it is done properly... :roll:
BS. Proof? Link?
Hey, talk to the Chinese. They seem to be doing it in Xinjiang Province to all those poor unradical Uyghurs...
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Re: Morrison won’t save terrorists children

Post by billy the kid » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:42 pm

The Danish government has taken a lead to “refuse to allow children born to Danish Islamic State fighters overseas to claim citizenship and a passport.”

Christian Langballe, a spokesman for the Danish People’s Party, stated about children of Islamic State jihadis: “They are born down there, they have never known Denmark, they have no connection with Denmark, and we must remember that it is the parents who have chosen to go down in the war zone to fight for the Islamic State.” These parents view Denmark and other non-Muslim states as enemy territory to be conquered by means of violent jihad. They have no doubt indoctrinated their children to believe the same thing. And efforts to “deradicalize” jihadis in France, Britain, and Germany have failed. In Germany, so-called ‘deradicalised’ Islamic State fighters were discovered to be producing jihad terror videos.

Children of Islamic State jihadis were known in the Islamic State as “lion cubs,” where jihad training was given to children who were under ten years old. They have been indoctrinated in the Islamic State theology of hate and murder of infidels, and have participated in “violent training exercises and even executing prisoners.” An Islamic State video showed three children — one no older than four — “decapitating and shooting prisoners before celebrating by chanting ‘Allahu Akbar.'”

Allowing the children of Islamic State jihadists to be classmates of Western school children would be another suicidal move by Western authorities.

“Denmark to Refuse Citizenship to Children of Islamic State Members,” by Chris Tomlinson, Breitbart, March 30, 2019:

The Danish government has agreed this week to refuse to allow children born to Danish Islamic State fighters overseas to claim citizenship and a passport.


The policy comes after the government brokered a deal with the populist Danish People’s Party (DF), ending the previous policy which allowed the children of Islamic State fighters from Denmark the ability to claim citizenship, broadcaster DR reports.

The measure was backed by foreign minister Inger Støjberg, who is well-known for her tough stance against mass migration, who said, “They are born of parents who have turned their backs on Denmark and therefore they should not belong to Denmark.”

Støjberg has become well-known for her tough migration policies which have included rejecting European Union migrant quotas after arguing that not enough migrants contribute to Danish society, and arguing that migrants should “adjust to Danish values.”

Christian Langballe, a spokesman for the DF, welcomed the proposal, saying the party had pushed for such a measure for an extended period of time.

“They are born down there, they have never known Denmark, they have no connection with Denmark, and we must remember that it is the parents who have chosen to go down in the war zone to fight for the Islamic State,” Langballe said.

It will also now be possible for the Danish government to strip the citizenship of Islamic State members who are dual nationals without going through the court system.

“We don’t want them back home.,” Langballe said and added, “We have seen returning Syrian warriors, for example, returning to France. Here they committed this terrible terrorist attack on, among other things, the Bataclan venue and murdered 129 people.”

The danger of returning fighters has also become an issue in neighbouring Sweden where it has been alleged that some have begun attempting to recruit young people in underground mosques in the city of Malmö.

Støjberg agreed, saying that if the fighters have another citizenship then she saw no reason for them to ever return to Denmark. “They are undesirable in Denmark,” she said….
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Re: Morrison won’t save terrorists children

Post by sprintcyclist » Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:48 pm

billy the kid wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:42 pm
The Danish government has taken a lead to “refuse to allow children born to Danish Islamic State fighters overseas to claim citizenship and a passport.”

Christian Langballe, a spokesman for the Danish People’s Party, stated about children of Islamic State jihadis: “They are born down there, they have never known Denmark, they have no connection with Denmark, and we must remember that it is the parents who have chosen to go down in the war zone to fight for the Islamic State.” These parents view Denmark and other non-Muslim states as enemy territory to be conquered by means of violent jihad. They have no doubt indoctrinated their children to believe the same thing. And efforts to “deradicalize” jihadis in France, Britain, and Germany have failed. In Germany, so-called ‘deradicalised’ Islamic State fighters were discovered to be producing jihad terror videos.

Children of Islamic State jihadis were known in the Islamic State as “lion cubs,” where jihad training was given to children who were under ten years old. They have been indoctrinated in the Islamic State theology of hate and murder of infidels, and have participated in “violent training exercises and even executing prisoners.” An Islamic State video showed three children — one no older than four — “decapitating and shooting prisoners before celebrating by chanting ‘Allahu Akbar.'”

Allowing the children of Islamic State jihadists to be classmates of Western school children would be another suicidal move by Western authorities.

“Denmark to Refuse Citizenship to Children of Islamic State Members,” by Chris Tomlinson, Breitbart, March 30, 2019:

The Danish government has agreed this week to refuse to allow children born to Danish Islamic State fighters overseas to claim citizenship and a passport.


The policy comes after the government brokered a deal with the populist Danish People’s Party (DF), ending the previous policy which allowed the children of Islamic State fighters from Denmark the ability to claim citizenship, broadcaster DR reports.

The measure was backed by foreign minister Inger Støjberg, who is well-known for her tough stance against mass migration, who said, “They are born of parents who have turned their backs on Denmark and therefore they should not belong to Denmark.”

Støjberg has become well-known for her tough migration policies which have included rejecting European Union migrant quotas after arguing that not enough migrants contribute to Danish society, and arguing that migrants should “adjust to Danish values.”

Christian Langballe, a spokesman for the DF, welcomed the proposal, saying the party had pushed for such a measure for an extended period of time.

“They are born down there, they have never known Denmark, they have no connection with Denmark, and we must remember that it is the parents who have chosen to go down in the war zone to fight for the Islamic State,” Langballe said.

It will also now be possible for the Danish government to strip the citizenship of Islamic State members who are dual nationals without going through the court system.

“We don’t want them back home.,” Langballe said and added, “We have seen returning Syrian warriors, for example, returning to France. Here they committed this terrible terrorist attack on, among other things, the Bataclan venue and murdered 129 people.”

The danger of returning fighters has also become an issue in neighbouring Sweden where it has been alleged that some have begun attempting to recruit young people in underground mosques in the city of Malmö.

Støjberg agreed, saying that if the fighters have another citizenship then she saw no reason for them to ever return to Denmark. “They are undesirable in Denmark,” she said….
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