Living with ISIS

[brian ross]

[sprintcyclist]

........... Show us some statistics...quotes from the koran...quotes from the sunnah or the hadith.......anything to support your bullshit....
Maybe even quotes from islamic clerics...you know like muslim clerics in Australia which suggest that non muslim women are like raw meat....and that muslim men can and should beat their wives....
Anything....anything to support your bullshit argument.......
Afterall....these muslim clerics are muslims.........arent they.....

You are aware of concept of abrogation in the koran?
Which in itself raises serious concerns.

Muslims never talk about this

[billy the kid]

........... Show us some statistics...quotes from the koran...quotes from the sunnah or the hadith.......anything to support your bullshit....
Maybe even quotes from islamic clerics...you know like muslim clerics in Australia which suggest that non muslim women are like raw meat....and that muslim men can and should beat their wives....
Anything....anything to support your bullshit argument.......
Afterall....these muslim clerics are muslims.........arent they.....

You are aware of concept of abrogation in the koran?
Which in itself raises serious concerns.

Muslims never talk about this

Well yes........ and perhaps brian ross can tell us all he knows.....or maybe he wont.......

[brian ross]

........... Show us some statistics...quotes from the koran...quotes from the sunnah or the hadith.......anything to support your bullshit....
Maybe even quotes from islamic clerics...you know like muslim clerics in Australia which suggest that non muslim women are like raw meat....and that muslim men can and should beat their wives....
Anything....anything to support your bullshit argument.......
Afterall....these muslim clerics are muslims.........arent they.....

You are aware of concept of abrogation in the koran?
Which in itself raises serious concerns.

Muslims never talk about this

Naskh (نسخ) is an Arabic word usually translated as "abrogation"; It refers to the theory in Islamic legal exegesis whereby seemingly contradictory material within, or between, the two primary sources of Islamic law — the Quran and the Sunnah — are resolved by superseding or canceling the earlier revelation. Several Qur'anic verses state that some revelations have been abrogated and superseded by later revelations,[1][2] which are understood by many Muslim scholars as pertaining to the verses of the Quran itself.[citation needed] Some examples include a gradual ban on consumption of alcohol and a change in qibla (the direction someone praying salat should face) from Jerusalem to Mecca.[3]

With few exceptions, neither the Quran, nor recorded sayings and doings of Muhammad (known as a hadith) that make up the Sunnah, state which Quranic verses or ahadith have been abrogated. However narrations from Muhammad's companions mention abrogated verses or rulings of the religion; and the principle of abrogation of an older verse by a new verse in the Quran, or within the Hadiths, was an established principle in Sharia at least by the 9th century.[4][5][6] The possibility of abrogation between these two primary sources of Islam (the Quran and Sunnah) has been a more contentious issue.[7] The allowability of abrogation between sources has been one of the major differences between the Shafi'i and Hanafi schools of fiqh (jurisprudence), with Shafi'i forbidding abrogation of the Qur'ān by the Sunnah, and the Hanafi allowing it.[8][9]

Muslim exegetes and jurists disagree over which and how many ahadith and verses of the Quran are recognized as abrogated,[10][11] with estimates varying from less than ten to over 500.[12][13]

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For something Muslims rarely talk about, there appears to be quite a bit of discussion going on, Sprint. Perhaps your Islamophobia deafens/blinds you to anything that reveals your fear is irrational?

[sprintcyclist]

no, muslims here run away from this idea of abrogation.

.........the principle of abrogation of an older verse by a new verse in the Quran.........

so, the newer bits supersede the original bits

and the koran is not written chronologically

[brian ross]

no, muslims here run away from this idea of abrogation.

I wasn't aware of any Muslim contributors, here, Sprint. Care to point them out to us?

And no, I am not a Muslim, so, please run along, before you attempt to throw more mud in the hope some of it will stick...

[sprintcyclist]

no, muslims here run away from this idea of abrogation.

.........the principle of abrogation of an older verse by a new verse in the Quran.........

so, the newer bits supersede the original bits

and the koran is not written chronologically

avoidance, again

[brian ross]

Avoidance it seems, again, hey, Sprint?

no, muslims here run away from this idea of abrogation.

I wasn't aware of any Muslim contributors, here, Sprint. Care to point them out to us?

And no, I am not a Muslim, so, please run along, before you attempt to throw more mud in the hope some of it will stick...

[billy the kid]

no, muslims here run away from this idea of abrogation.

.........the principle of abrogation of an older verse by a new verse in the Quran.........

so, the newer bits supersede the original bits

and the koran is not written chronologically

The peaceful koran...or shall we say the peaceful verses of the koran were given to mohammed through the angel gabriel
in mecca..mohammed,because he was illiterate, had them written down by his followers.
His followers I understand were no more than about 140 in number...according to some sources...
He then journeyed to medina, where the violent verses were given to him by allah through the angel gabriel again...
Those verses, where different to the peaceful verses, abrogated the peaceful verses.
This is when he became a murder, rapist and plunderer.

If you actually read the hadiths as well
You would know all about mohammeds raids, his murders, rapes, thievery.
You can open his biography to any page,
In 80% of the writings mohammed is robbing, raping, or killing someone.
Anyone that reads the hadiths wont miss this filth
The clerics will not let you read this filth, unless of course you are joining ISIS.
The clerics give you a bullshit story, or a 21st century sugarcoated book report.
Even some of the muslims don't know anything about mohammed.

And it's no major study, just reading a book, just like Tom Sawyer or Moby Dick.
They tell a story of Muhammeds life, the POS.

But islamic clerics are trying really hard not to let this stuff out...maybe questions could be asked
of muslims and their knowledge of the hadiths...but I doubt if they could answer.....