Are the jews the cause of all this Muslim trouble ?

[Redneck]

Hi Freediver and others!

Are the Jews the new NAZIs of the Middle East and their treatment of the Palestinians locked in their Gulags under attack by the IDF the cause of all this Muslim/ISIS trouble ?

[Gordon]

Red, 21% of the population of Israel today is Arab-Israeli. They are fully integrated citizens with the mostly the same rights and all the 1st world education and heath care that goes along with being an Israeli citizen.

In 1930 there were about 500000 Jews in Germany, or 0.75 of the population and most were killed.

Do you really think Nazi is the best description for Israel?

[Redneck]

Do you really think Nazi is the best description for Israel?

Ask the Palestinians!

[Gordon]

Do you really think Nazi is the best description for Israel?

Ask the Palestinians!

Are they being executed on an industrial scale?

[Gordon]

Also, Red, I reject that Israel has caused all the trouble in the ME.

The Sunni/Shia conflicts have dwarfed anything that happens in Israel.

Starting with the Iran/Iraq war, the post invasion civil war in Iraq, Syria and now Yeman.

Do you blame the jews for all that?

[brian ross]

Well, I wouldn't blame the Iraq/Iran war on the Sunni/Sh'ia divide, Gordon. Yes, that came into it later but initially, it was just Saddam Hussein seeking to take advantage of the chaos of the Iranian revolution. He sought to expand Iraq's territory but taking control of the western most provinces of Iran where the majority of the population speak Arabic, rather than Iranian. The Russians backed the Iraqis, then the French and Italians sold the Iraqis weapons and munitions, with the US coming in on Saddam's side as well. Indeed, the US hatred for Revolutionary Iran was explicit after the Iranians seized the US Embassy in Tehran. Still didn't stop Reagan from trying to reach out to the Iranians, selling them weapons and ammunition for their largely US made systems.

What you appear to also misunderstand is that Israeli Arabs are second-class citizens within Israel. They are not Jews, they are not Christians, they are further down the ladder and are treated in that way by Israeli officialdom. Few Israeli Arabs accept Israel as a political entity and few bother to vote in their elections.

Israel is one of the main cause celebre' that the Muslims trot out when attempting to justify their latest round of atrocities. Until about 30 years ago, it was the main one. Israel has mistreated the Palestinians appallingly. They have "ethnically cleansed" the Occupied Territories and attempted to take over Palestinian lands. They allow Israeli settlers, who are there illegally, to basically do whatever they like to harass and oppress the Palestinians. They destroy the Palestinian crops, they kill Palestinian livestock and they attack Palestinian children to and from school. Very little of this gets in the MSM.

Israel has not caused all the trouble in the Middle East but it is responsible for a large slice of it.

[Gordon]

BS Brian.

Iran Iraq war was over oil and land, but Iran was trying to get Iraq's shia majority to rebel against Saddam.

The bloodbath post USA invasion of iraq was 100% sectarian sunni shia.

Syria, the fundies saw their chance for a bronze age calaphate.

Libya and Yemen, more of the same.

[freediver]

Hi Freediver and others!

Are the Jews the new NAZIs of the Middle East and their treatment of the Palestinians locked in their Gulags under attack by the IDF the cause of all this Muslim/ISIS trouble ?

Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth. They were driven from their homes in Europe by the Nazis and their homes in the middle east by the Muslims. The Muslims tried to follow them into Israel to finish them off, while the memory of the holocaust was still fresh. That the Israelis managed to create something so good in all that crap, despite ongoing attempts from Muslims to drive them into the sea, is a credit to their patience and goodwill.

[brian ross]

BS Brian.

Iran Iraq war was over oil and land, but Iran was trying to get Iraq's shia majority to rebel against Saddam.

Who attacked whom, first, Gordon? Saddam or the Iranians? Get back to me when you know, OK?

[Gordon]

BS Brian.

Iran Iraq war was over oil and land, but Iran was trying to get Iraq's shia majority to rebel against Saddam.

Who attacked whom, first, Gordon? Saddam or the Iranians? Get back to me when you know, OK?

Saddam, but Iran was meddling in iraq trying to start a rebellion so suck shit.

BTW, America warned Iran that Iraq was building up troops ready to attack but they didn't believe them. So suck shit again.