Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic

[brian ross]

absolute nonsense Brian, if this was the case the whole field of forensic anthropology would not exist. and culturally unbiased IQ tests do exist and have been used for decades. You really are behind on the knowledge of this subject.

Foresenic Anthropology exists because it observes the minor, external differences between the so-called "races". Genetically, there is no difference. You seem focused on the superficial minor differences rather than understanding that at the basis of what makes a human a human, a member of the species Homo Sapien Sapiens is the arrangement of the Genes, not whether their skull is one shape or another. All the "races" share the same genetic pool. It is what allows them to all interbreed. They are not separate species.

As for IQ tests - they all, often subtly, show their cultural biases. Doesn't matter who wrote them, they are all reflect where they came from and who they are. They are designed to measure an immeasurable concept - intelligence. No one can describe it, no one can figure out what it is. Tool making and use was once consider what denoted intelligence. Observation of animals has shown it is far more common than originally thought. Animals can be intelligent. Birds can use tools, mammals can use tools, insects can use tools. Some consider Dolphins and Whales intelligent and they don't use tools. Statistically, IQ tests are meaningless as they use far too smaller sample (ie individuals).

Are you aware of the history of the discipline of anthropology and why it was created? If you were, you wouldn't be so quick to reach for it as a tool to use against me. It was created to justify European Imperialism in the 19th century. It was used to justify Racism. Today, it tries to hide that sorry past in how it was used to justify the oppression of peoples because they had different coloured skin/eye shapes/thicker lips/kinky hair.

[Valkie]

The darker the skin

The dumber the kin

Just step into the dark side

The bad man always wears black

And the final proof

Voldimort wore black and trailed black smoke when he flies.

What more proof do you need?

[Gordon]

I reckon it's not so much about the hardware but how it's used.

For example, Aboriginals had just rudimentary mathematics in their society and the brains just aren't wired to do advanced maths and it will take many generations to change that.
On the flip side, hunter gatherers have astonishing memories.

Asians and Indians, even poorly educated in other areas are great at math.

[rhino]

absolute nonsense Brian, if this was the case the whole field of forensic anthropology would not exist. and culturally unbiased IQ tests do exist and have been used for decades. You really are behind on the knowledge of this subject.

Foresenic Anthropology exists because it observes the minor, external differences between the so-called "races". Genetically, there is no difference. You seem focused on the superficial minor differences rather than understanding that at the basis of what makes a human a human, a member of the species Homo Sapien Sapiens is the arrangement of the Genes, not whether their skull is one shape or another. All the "races" share the same genetic pool. It is what allows them to all interbreed. They are not separate species.

As for IQ tests - they all, often subtly, show their cultural biases. Doesn't matter who wrote them, they are all reflect where they came from and who they are. They are designed to measure an immeasurable concept - intelligence. No one can describe it, no one can figure out what it is. Tool making and use was once consider what denoted intelligence. Observation of animals has shown it is far more common than originally thought. Animals can be intelligent. Birds can use tools, mammals can use tools, insects can use tools. Some consider Dolphins and Whales intelligent and they don't use tools. Statistically, IQ tests are meaningless as they use far too smaller sample (ie individuals).

Are you aware of the history of the discipline of anthropology and why it was created? If you were, you wouldn't be so quick to reach for it as a tool to use against me. It was created to justify European Imperialism in the 19th century. It was used to justify Racism. Today, it tries to hide that sorry past in how it was used to justify the oppression of peoples because they had different coloured skin/eye shapes/thicker lips/kinky hair.

uh, no Brian. Forensic anthropology does not "observe minor differences between races". Forensic anthropology can accurately predict race by analysing skeletal remains. And it works very well. And intelligence is not an "immeasurable concept", for that to be so a mongoloid could train to be a rocket scientist, which is absurd. IQ tests were developed by the US armed forces in order to place recruits in roles which they were able to perform, IQ tests are still used by all armed forces and emergency services and are a major part of recruitment testing for large companies. Next time you need to be treated in hospital Brian ask yourself if you would be ok with someone with an IQ of 75 performing your operation. Oh, wait, IQ means nothing does it?

[rhino]

I reckon it's not so much about the hardware but how it's used.

For example, Aboriginals had just rudimentary mathematics in their society and the brains just aren't wired to do advanced maths and it will take many generations to change that.
On the flip side, hunter gatherers have astonishing memories.

Asians and Indians, even poorly educated in other areas are great at math.

Yes, hunter gatherers have good memories, but that isnt IQ. They exist very poorly in technological societies. And it is about the hardware

The brain volumes of 8 male Australian Aborigines and 11 male Caucasians were determined. Total brain volume was significantly smaller for Aborigines (1199 +/- 84 ml) compared to Caucasians (1386 +/- 98 ml). Significantly smaller volumes were also found for cerebellum, prosencephalon-mesencephalon unit, cerebral cortex, frontal cortex, parieto-occipitotemporal cortex, and hippocampus. Volumes of ponsmedulla oblongata unit (21 +/- 3 ml for Aborigines and 22 +/- 3 ml for Caucasians) and visual cortex (14.9 ml +/- 2.6 ml and 14.6 +/- 2.2 ml, respectively) did not differ significantly. The striate cortex extended further onto the lateral surface of the occipital lobe in Aboriginal brains. The frontal portion of cerebral cortex was larger in Aboriginal than in Caucasian brains. According to the specific growth periods for the areas studied, these differences could be explained by the higher incidence of malnutrition and infectious diseases for Aboriginals during the development of the brain in early childhood, especially after the 6th postnatal month. However, genetic influences cannot be excluded. The results for the visual cortex of Aborigines might represent an adaptation to living conditions in the bush and desert regions of Australia.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1261675/

[brian ross]

uh, no Brian. Forensic anthropology does not "observe minor differences between races". Forensic anthropology can accurately predict race by analysing skeletal remains. And it works very well.

And, pray tell, how does it do that, Rhino? By observing "minor differences between races," which are created by evolutionary pressures. Differences which, it should be pointed out, any human can develop, no matter what "race" they belong to. They are merely more likely to have a specific skull shape if from Africa or Asia or Australasia. You do understand the differences between physical anthropology and Genetics, don't you? You do understand that physical attributes are developed as a consequence of evolutionary pressures, whereas Genetics are developed because a person is well, a person and a not a banana or a Fruit Fly? You are arguing, as I keep pointing out about physical aspects where I am discussing the chemical aspects of humanity. What is that makes a human a member of the species, Homo Sapiens Sapien.

And intelligence is not an "immeasurable concept", for that to be so a mongoloid could train to be a rocket scientist, which is absurd. IQ tests were developed by the US armed forces in order to place recruits in roles which they were able to perform, IQ tests are still used by all armed forces and emergency services and are a major part of recruitment testing for large companies. Next time you need to be treated in hospital Brian ask yourself if you would be ok with someone with an IQ of 75 performing your operation. Oh, wait, IQ means nothing does it?

IQ tests are best used on those from the same culture as the developer of the IQ test. You cannot use an IQ test developed by a North American in any culture except one similar to North America's. They don't work on African bushmen, not on Indigenous Australians, not on South Americans or Asians or Indians. The differences in culture are too extreme.

Further, IQ tests test learning and knowledge, not actual intelligence which is, as I have pointed out, something no one knows how to measure. Put a White, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic descended American in the middle of the SImpson Desert, how long do you think they would survive, compared to an Indigenous Australian who has lived there all their lives? Put an Indigenous Australian into the middle of New York, how long do you think they would survive compared to a native New Yorker? Mmmm?

[IQS.RLOW]

Put a White, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic descended American in the middle of the SImpson Desert, how long do you think they would survive, compared to an Indigenous Australian who has lived there all their lives? Put an Indigenous Australian into the middle of New York, how long do you think they would survive compared to a native New Yorker?

You should steer well clear of individual resilience and adaptation arguments. It's not something the left have any experience with considering they owe their very existence to the continual use of big govt to cheat Darwinian extinction to the detriment of every ecosystem they infest.

[Valkie]

Put a White, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic descended American in the middle of the SImpson Desert, how long do you think they would survive, compared to an Indigenous Australian who has lived there all their lives? Put an Indigenous Australian into the middle of New York, how long do you think they would survive compared to a native New Yorker?

You should steer well clear of individual resilience and adaptation arguments. It's not something the left have any experience with considering they owe their very existence to the continual use of big govt to cheat Darwinian extinction to the detriment of every ecosystem they infest.

I know
Put an abbo in the middle of a manufacturing facility, pay based on manual dexterity and intelligence.
Make it so there is no safety net of free cash.

How long woukd the abbo last?

Or
Put one in the middle of the Antarctic
How long?

It's not about intelligence or skills
It's about training and knowledge.

Any white man could survive as easily as any who with the same training
Probably better.

[sprintcyclist]

Put a White, Anglo-Saxon/Celtic descended American in the middle of the SImpson Desert, how long do you think they would survive, compared to an Indigenous Australian who has lived there all their lives? Put an Indigenous Australian into the middle of New York, how long do you think they would survive compared to a native New Yorker?

You should steer well clear of individual resilience and adaptation arguments. It's not something the left have any experience with considering they owe their very existence to the continual use of big govt to cheat Darwinian extinction to the detriment of every ecosystem they infest.

I know
Put an abbo in the middle of a manufacturing facility, pay based on manual dexterity and intelligence.
Make it so there is no safety net of free cash.

How long woukd the abbo last?

Or
Put one in the middle of the Antarctic
How long?

It's not about intelligence or skills
It's about training and knowledge.

Any white man could survive as easily as any who with the same training
Probably better.

Put an 'Indigenous Australian' 2 kms under the ocean water, how long do you think they would survive?
What about an 'Indigenous Australian' in outer space with a boomerang, how long do you think they would survive?

Put a civilised White person in an European city, how long do you think they would survive?

[Neferti]

I received this today.

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The Original sender suggested that we also throw in a couple of Greens to promote a balanced diet.