Home Made Hydrogen.

[The Mechanic]

The biggest problem with using Hydrogen in cars is that of storage.

As alluded, storing hydrogen is difficult using present day technology. It "leaks" out of the walls of steel cylinders and they hold too little to give a standard car a viable range.

20 or more years ago, the Americans were working on storing Hydrogen in solid substrates. This allowed far more to be carried and the container could be more than a cylinder or a sphere in shape, it could literally be cubical or square in shape. Where that experiment work went, I have no idea.

Like electricity, if more research was done on how to store the energy source than on just utilising the energy sources, it would speed up their application tremendously. Batteries, even Li-On batteries, weigh appreciably more than liquid hydrocarbons, just as gas cylinders are difficult to store in a standard shaped car. If Governments were really interested in alternative fuels, they'd fund more research in energy storage.

why would they do that when they are bought and paid for by big OILS

[brian ross]

why would they do that when they are bought and paid for by big OILS

[sarcasm]
Yeah, sure, sure, Mechie, sure. When does the nurse come 'round with your medicines?
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[The Mechanic]

why would they do that when they are bought and paid for by big OILS

[sarcasm]
Yeah, sure, sure, Mechie, sure. When does the nurse come 'round with your medicines?
[/sarcasm]

I agree with you and you say I need medication???

[brian ross]

why would they do that when they are bought and paid for by big OILS

[sarcasm]
Yeah, sure, sure, Mechie, sure. When does the nurse come 'round with your medicines?
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I agree with you and you say I need medication???

You weren't agreeing with me, Mechie. You were making a claim about the motivations of politicians which are no supported by reality. When are you going to post something which is based on reality?

[Outlaw Yogi]

""To separate petroleum oil into its derivatives requires heating to a minimum 600C, but 900C""

Sounds high to me Yogi, sure you aint talkin F,,

Yes I'm fucking sure!
When I was doing Electrical engineering at CQU we were put into teams of 3 for a group essay.
The topic was about renewable and/or unconventional energy options.
Uni essays generally require research.
While most went into PV solar and wind turbines for grid based power supply, I steered our group
into hydrogen as a motor fuel. To posit the effectiveness of the proposal required comparing the energy inputs
of hydrogen extraction from water Vs petrol extraction from crude oil.

I was going to post a relevant link when found, but my puter's running annoyingly slow, so here you go >
'crude oil distilation'
https://www.google.com/search?q=crude+o ... e&ie=UTF-8

You could also try 'refining crude oil'

The info I have looked at gives temps of 40c to 370c

What, on the back of a Lolly Gobble Bliss Bombs box?
FFS, it's petrol, diesel, kerosene, naphthalene, gases ect,
not a McDonald's hamburger.

'oil refinery'
https://www.google.com/search?q=oil+ref ... e&ie=UTF-8

[Outlaw Yogi]

The biggest problem with using Hydrogen in cars is that of storage.

As alluded, storing hydrogen is difficult using present day technology. It "leaks" out of the walls of steel cylinders and they hold too little to give a standard car a viable range.

See this Corvette?
It has 2 banks of Kevlar cylinders, giving it a 700km range.


https://www.google.com/search?q=hydroge ... f5GCr0y-M:

[brian ross]

The biggest problem with using Hydrogen in cars is that of storage.

As alluded, storing hydrogen is difficult using present day technology. It "leaks" out of the walls of steel cylinders and they hold too little to give a standard car a viable range.

See this Corvette?
It has 2 banks of Kevlar cylinders, giving it a 700km range.


https://www.google.com/search?q=hydroge ... f5GCr0y-M:

See that Corvette? It doesn't have a boot.

[BigP]

""To separate petroleum oil into its derivatives requires heating to a minimum 600C, but 900C""

Sounds high to me Yogi, sure you aint talkin F,,

Yes I'm fucking sure!
When I was doing Electrical engineering at CQU we were put into teams of 3 for a group essay.
The topic was about renewable and/or unconventional energy options.
Uni essays generally require research.
While most went into PV solar and wind turbines for grid based power supply, I steered our group
into hydrogen as a motor fuel. To posit the effectiveness of the proposal required comparing the energy inputs
of hydrogen extraction from water Vs petrol extraction from crude oil.

I was going to post a relevant link when found, but my puter's running annoyingly slow, so here you go >
'crude oil distilation'
https://www.google.com/search?q=crude+o ... e&ie=UTF-8

You could also try 'refining crude oil'

The info I have looked at gives temps of 40c to 370c

What, on the back of a Lolly Gobble Bliss Bombs box?
FFS, it's petrol, diesel, kerosene, naphthalene, gases ect,
not a McDonald's hamburger.

'oil refinery'
https://www.google.com/search?q=oil+ref ... e&ie=UTF-8

A pointless argument , 900c would be past most of the volatiles flash points, You'll just have to suck the sav on this one yogi

[The Mechanic]

Speaking of Hydrogen

SHORTEN’S HYDROGEN POWER PLAN A LOT OF HOT AIR

OPPOSITION Leader Bill Shorten seems to have a seemingly endless array of populist thought bubbles at his disposal and, in the months leading up to the federal election, it’s excruciating to contemplate what mind-boggling fantasies he might yet deliver.

I wonder if he thought this one up on the back of a beer coaster

[BigP]

The biggest problem with using Hydrogen in cars is that of storage.

As alluded, storing hydrogen is difficult using present day technology. It "leaks" out of the walls of steel cylinders and they hold too little to give a standard car a viable range.

See this Corvette?
It has 2 banks of Kevlar cylinders, giving it a 700km range.


https://www.google.com/search?q=hydroge ... f5GCr0y-M:

See that Corvette? It doesn't have a boot.

All these technologies are worth investigating, Just some have not reached critical mass yet, But I feel confident that hydrogen will meet the standard some time in the not to distant future