BREXIT VOTE FAILS BY 230 VOTES

[brian ross]

So good to see the administrators upholding the ROE here, hey? Tsk, tsk.

[Black Orchid]

Seriously Brian? You shoot Nazi memes at me (which I consider a personal attack and which I did not remove) and yet you are crying personal attack over a pic of someone in socks and sandals? How precious can you be?

[brian ross]

Seriously Brian? You shoot Nazi memes at me (which I consider a personal attack and which I did not remove) and yet you are crying personal attack over a pic of someone in socks and sandals? How precious can you be?

As I keep saying - if someone complains and you feel I have contravened the ROE, remove my posts from the thread they are in. I am happy to comply with the ROE. You however feel that other posts are protected and able to insult and attack me when and where they like, using what ever language they desire simply because I am me. If you've been insulted by my calling you a Nazi (which I do not believe I have done), then I apologise, unreservedly. You don't think your attitudes are "Nazi-like", however I beg to differ. They are exactly what the Nazis did before WWII towards the Jews and the Gypsies and the mental and physically handicapped. They pained them in the worst light possible to enable them and their supports to attack them openly on the streets.

[Neferti]

So good to see the administrators upholding the ROE here, hey? Tsk, tsk.

What the hell is ROE?

You say you have many degrees (as well as having been in the "forces") ... you haven't said how old you are but I would imagine "retired" ...

I have had (living in Canberra as I do) male friends who are Professors and they ALWAYS have a beard and wear socks with their sandals. Why did you consider it an insult? Aren't you who you say you are?

[Neferti]

By the way, Brian. Posts aren't removed here ... nor can you alter them after about 15 minutes, so THINK CLEARLY before putting fingers to the keyboard ... what you say is what is recorded here f.o.r.e.v.e.r. and can be found via Google.

[Black Orchid]

Seriously Brian? You shoot Nazi memes at me (which I consider a personal attack and which I did not remove) and yet you are crying personal attack over a pic of someone in socks and sandals? How precious can you be?

As I keep saying - if someone complains and you feel I have contravened the ROE, remove my posts from the thread they are in. I am happy to comply with the ROE. You however feel that other posts are protected and able to insult and attack me when and where they like, using what ever language they desire simply because I am me. If you've been insulted by my calling you a Nazi (which I do not believe I have done), then I apologise, unreservedly. You don't think your attitudes are "Nazi-like", however I beg to differ. They are exactly what the Nazis did before WWII towards the Jews and the Gypsies and the mental and physically handicapped. They pained them in the worst light possible to enable them and their supports to attack them openly on the streets.

Again with the insults and calling me a Nazi and NO I definitely do not consider my views "Nazi-like"? I doubt any normal person would. Just because I object to anymore unskilled immigration from third world countries (that have formed dangerous enclaves and are sucking up my tax dollars by way of having to form countless task forces to try to contain and control)? Sydney and Melbourne are suffering severely from this and your solution is to move if you don't like it! You are a very extreme very far left progressive (regressive) Brian and an insult to the many thousands of Australians who fought and died in wars to keep Australia the lucky country. In fact, I consider your views treasonous/traitorous but I don't delete your posts either.

No I won't remove posts just because I can. PA is a place that is not heavily moderated and I expect people to own what they say instead of trying to remove free speech and then deny it was ever said. What you said is abhorrent and disgusting and you will just have to own it.

If something/someone really oversteps the line I do remove it but I also take the view that if you lash out and insult members you then have to stand on your own two feet when it is retaliated. This isn't a kindergarten Brian.

[Black Orchid]

What the hell is ROE?

Well it could be a mass of eggs contained in a female fish but I think he means "rules of engagement"? Not too sure!

[Black Orchid]

I might add that I have been savagely and crudely abused by several members here (even by one who is a mod elsewhere) but, again, I did not remove their psychotic rants. I am a firm believer in that people need to think before they react and they need to own what they say.

Having said that I DO and WILL remove things to the trash bin (to be forever preserved therein) that I believe cross the line. MY line which is pretty liberal as I am not a snowflake who takes offence at words typed by some anonymous lunatic.

[brian ross]

So good to see the administrators upholding the ROE here, hey? Tsk, tsk.

What the hell is ROE?

"Rules Of Engagement", Neferti.

You say you have many degrees (as well as having been in the "forces") ... you haven't said how old you are but I would imagine "retired" ...

I have had (living in Canberra as I do) male friends who are Professors and they ALWAYS have a beard and wear socks with their sandals. Why did you consider it an insult? Aren't you who you say you are?

I haven't worn socks with sandals since I was a wee lad, Neferti. Generally wearing socks with sandals or being referred to as wearing socks with sandals means you think I am a "nerd" and socially clueless. I am neither a "nerd
or socially clueless. As to my age, I am old enough to have done it and young enough to do it again.

[brian ross]

Seriously Brian? You shoot Nazi memes at me (which I consider a personal attack and which I did not remove) and yet you are crying personal attack over a pic of someone in socks and sandals? How precious can you be?

As I keep saying - if someone complains and you feel I have contravened the ROE, remove my posts from the thread they are in. I am happy to comply with the ROE. You however feel that other posts are protected and able to insult and attack me when and where they like, using what ever language they desire simply because I am me. If you've been insulted by my calling you a Nazi (which I do not believe I have done), then I apologise, unreservedly. You don't think your attitudes are "Nazi-like", however I beg to differ. They are exactly what the Nazis did before WWII towards the Jews and the Gypsies and the mental and physically handicapped. They pained them in the worst light possible to enable them and their supports to attack them openly on the streets.

Again with the insults and calling me a Nazi and NO I definitely do not consider my views "Nazi-like"?

Really? Where did I call you - directly - a "Nazi", Black Orchid. I take that I am expected to wear all the insults that you and the other Tories here direct towards which are far worse, in my mind? I'll tell you what, I won't refer to you as "Nazi-like" if you stop trashing and insulting me and innocent people who have committed no crime other than share a religion with some loonies. Fair or too difficult for you?

I doubt any normal person would. Just because I object to anymore unskilled immigration from third world countries (that have formed dangerous enclaves and are sucking up my tax dollars by way of having to form countless task forces to try to contain and control)?

Funny how this only affects Sydney, Black Orchid. You do know that Sydney is not the same as the rest of Australia? I have no dispute with you concerned "unskilled immigrants". I do have dispute with you when you blame their religion/"race"/ethnicity/etc. for their presence in Australian society. Is that hard to understand?

Sydney and Melbourne are suffering severely from this and your solution is to move if you don't like it!

As I said, if you don't like, then move, Black Orchid. The people you are complaining about far out number you and the overwhelming majority are Australian citizens. What makes it your city or your nation to the point you can determine anything about it's social makeup?

You are a very extreme very far left progressive (regressive) Brian and an insult to the many thousands of Australians who fought and died in wars to keep Australia the lucky country. In fact, I consider your views treasonous/traitorous but I don't delete your posts either.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. You have no understanding of what the term "lucky country" (as coined by Donald Horne). Australia is a "lucky country" but Horne was using the term ironically. We rely far too much on our luck, rather than on our planning. One day, our luck may just run out.

As for me being of the "far left" - you have no idea what people of the "far left" are really like, Black Orchid. I am yes, progressive, however I believe that means we as a society and a nation need to keep moving, rather than sitting mired in our dreams of a mythical "golden age" where White people were the bosses and the coloured people all the servants. Whenever I take any of those political tests, I invariably end up "centre-left". You, I perceive as being "centre-right" except where it comes to Multiculturalism and the matters of "race" and who gets to live here. Am I correct?

No I won't remove posts just because I can. PA is a place that is not heavily moderated and I expect people to own what they say instead of trying to remove free speech and then deny it was ever said. What you said is abhorrent and disgusting and you will just have to own it.

I am quite willing to wear what I have typed, Black Orchid. You have some warped idea that "free speech" is sacrosanct and that it is some guarantee of quality. In Australia, we have no guarantee of "free speech" under Australian law and never have. Free speech can be careless, it can be interesting, it can be amusing but when you stand there and say that it means that some posters are free to insult other posters freely, you are opening the door on chaos and hatred. You created the ROEs. If they aren't being applied why did you even bother? Mmmm?

If something/someone really oversteps the line I do remove it but I also take the view that if you lash out and insult members you then have to stand on your own two feet when it is retaliated. This isn't a kindergarten Brian.

I am quite willing to stand on "my own two feet", Black Orchid. You however appear to be shirking your responsibilities as the Moderator. I have not insulted certain posters but it appears they are free to insult me. It seems that their "free speech" is protected but you are attacking mine.