Indonesia vs Australia

[Black Orchid]

Our aid to Indonesia should be drastically reduced, say by about 90%.

[Rorschach]

Just as we reserve a right to comment on Indonesian politics and foreign policy, so does Indonesia reserve a right to comment on Australia's politics and foreign policy. Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim nation. It is (supposed) to be negotiating a free trade agreement with Canberra and Canberra has decided to place Australia's head into the lion's mouth of ME politics in order to try (and failed) to win a bye-election. ScoMo is going to make the nation pay a price for his attempt to pander to Jewish voters in Wentworth. That his Government lost the Wentworth bye-election is simply icing on the cake. He has decided to run Australian foreign policy on politics, rather than good sense. Our embassy does no harm in Tel Aviv. In Jerusalem it upsets Muslims. It does not further the two state solution, it does not help us in dealing with Muslim countries. It is a complete WAFTM in order to ingratiate himself with el Presidente' Trump and nothing more.

Really bwian just when do WE make such comments.... any time you are ready.... ??? bwian, bwian?????

[Rorschach]

Yet again another Muslim nation telling us what to do...

ASEAN Summit: Malaysia cautions Australia over Israel embassy move
Amanda Hodge
South East Asia Correspondent
An hour ago November 15, 2018

Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad has warned Australia it risks “adding to the cause for terrorism” if it relocates its Israel embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem raising the prospect of more diplomatic trouble over the controversial issue.

Scott Morrison met the veteran Malaysian politician for the first time this afternoon on the sidelines of the ASEAN summit in Singapore.

After the meeting Mr Mahathir told reporters that he had raised the issue with Mr Morrison.

“I pointed out that in dealing with terrorism one has to know the causes,” he said.

“Adding to the cause for terrorism is not going to be helpful. I pointed that out. Australia has not made any decision. They’re looking into it.”

Mr Morrison has battled criticism over his review of the Israeli embassy location this week, including from Labor leader Bill Shorten who accused him of making Australia “look stupid” by floating the idea.

The relocation, first mooted ahead of the Wentworth by-election last month, has strained relations with Indonesia and left the two nation’s already-concluded free trade agreement hanging in the balance.

Jakarta is one of the Palestinian state’s strongest supporters and the US decision to move its Israel embassy to Jerusalem earlier this year sparked angry, mass demonstrations outside its own Indonesian mission.

The prime minister has worked hard to talk down the difficulties it has caused with Jakarta _ which has warned any relocation would harm the bilateral relationship _ saying Indonesian president Joko Widodo did not conflate the issues of the Israel embassy and trade deal during their meeting Wednesday morning.

But Indonesia’s trade minister Enggartiasto Lukita also made it clear this week the issue had derailed the signing of the Indonesia Australia Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement and that the deal was unlikely to be signed without an assurance the Australian embassy would remain in Tel Aviv.

Mr Morrison hit back today at Mr Shorten, accusing the Labor leader of being “quick to take cues on Australia’s foreign policy from those outside Australia”.

“Bill Shorten doesn’t want to consider this question at all,” he said.

“I’ve put in place a process to do it properly and to ensure the position we ultimately arrived at is one consistent with Australian interests and not related to other matters, because Australia has to be sovereign in determining its foreign policy. We can’t have it determined by any other nation.”

While the embassy issue has cast a cloud over Mr Morrison’s first multilateral summit, there have been notable wins including the conclusion of a free-trade agreement with Hong Kong and a conciliatory first meeting with Chinese Premier Li Keqiang late Wednesday.

Mr Li described the Australia China relationship as being at a “turning point after our ups and downs” and called for both sides to approach the relationship “with a view of mutual benefit”.

Mr Morrison said the meeting had been positive and that he had reassured the Chinese premier that Australia’s Pacific pivot plans _ including a $A2 billion infrastructure fund and increased naval deployments to the Pacific _ “were not exclusive”.

He will meet Chinese president Xi Jinping at the weekend APEC summit in Papua New Guinea, where tensions between Washington and Beijing are likely to be high after US vice president Mike Pence told the Singapore summit that “empire and aggression have no place in the Indo Pacific”.

The comments by Mr Pence, who flew out of Singapore today for APEC, appeared aimed squarely at Beijing’s growing presence in the region and its determination to dominate the South China Sea.

But Mr Morrison _ who spent the morning paying respects to more than a thousand Australian servicemen and women buried at Singapore’s Kranji War Cemetery _denied the escalating feud between China and the US created a difficult balancing act for Australia.

“Our relationships with each of these major partners are different, and they’re both successful. Australia doesn’t have to choose and we won’t choose,” he said.
Amanda Hodge
South East Asia Correspondent

[Valkie]

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Neferti. Oh, well, another wasted thread.

You are as boring as batshit, Brian. Same old, same old ... makes everybody yawn, even the cat. Say something different for a change and I might make a comment.

I'm sorry if rationality bores you, Neferti. Perhaps you need to either put me in your ignore list or piss off? Choice is yours 'cause I ain't changin'.

You must remember, bwyannnnnn was probably a special envoy to Indonesia during his ......um.....what stage was that?
Was it you doctorate in religion
Your doctorate in warfare
Your doctorate in science
Your doctorate in education
Your doctorate in engineering

Or perhaps you were the special advisor to Dr Google, ensuring that everything written is correct, I can see them contacting you every day to ask your opinion on every subject on earth, because you know everything.

Are you God bwyannnnnn?

You can man

[Valkie]

Our aid to Indonesia should be drastically reduced, say by about 90%.

I have said all along
Stop the aid to parasite countries
There are 200 million of these morons, and yet we throw money at them.

Stop giving them money
Stop anyone from going there, an out of bounds area

Then sit back, and wait for the country to self implode.

If they try anything stupid like coming to Australia, simply steer them into crock country.

If worst comes to worst, three strategically placed nukes would eliminate the problem..

[brian ross]

Our aid to Indonesia should be drastically reduced, say by about 90%.

To what purpose? To deliver Indonesian recruits into the ranks of the Islamists? Gee, now that'd be really smart, now wouldn't it?

[Rorschach]

oh bwian.... more lies... tsk, tsk, tsk... still waiting....

Just as we reserve a right to comment on Indonesian politics and foreign policy, so does Indonesia reserve a right to comment on Australia's politics and foreign policy. Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim nation. It is (supposed) to be negotiating a free trade agreement with Canberra and Canberra has decided to place Australia's head into the lion's mouth of ME politics in order to try (and failed) to win a bye-election. ScoMo is going to make the nation pay a price for his attempt to pander to Jewish voters in Wentworth. That his Government lost the Wentworth bye-election is simply icing on the cake. He has decided to run Australian foreign policy on politics, rather than good sense. Our embassy does no harm in Tel Aviv. In Jerusalem it upsets Muslims. It does not further the two state solution, it does not help us in dealing with Muslim countries. It is a complete WAFTM in order to ingratiate himself with el Presidente' Trump and nothing more.

Really bwian just when do WE make such comments.... any time you are ready.... ??? bwian, bwian?????

[Valkie]

Our aid to Indonesia should be drastically reduced, say by about 90%.

To what purpose? To deliver Indonesian recruits into the ranks of the Islamists? Gee, now that'd be really smart, now wouldn't it?

So what you are saying is we have to pay protection money?

Screw em

[cods]

cutting aid is never that simple.....and I dont think Australia is a tit for tat country....

at least I hope it isnt.

[Rorschach]

Our aid to Indonesia should be drastically reduced, say by about 90%.

To what purpose? To deliver Indonesian recruits into the ranks of the Islamists? Gee, now that'd be really smart, now wouldn't it?

Oh and why would that happen bwian... you keep telling us most muslims are nice people with no radical Islamist ideas or connections.... Why would sane sensible peace loving Muslims do that at all eh?

How's that foot you just shot yourself in?