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Post by Rorschach » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:32 pm

How slip-up in Bunnings nailed men who plotted deadly Melbourne terror
By Erin Pearson
14 November 2018 — 7:45pm

It was staff at Bunnings who alerted police after a young man made an unusual purchase in December 2016.

He bought 700 nail gun cartridges packed with gunpowder, that were kept behind a locked counter, and left the hardware superstore without buying anything else.

Staff were so suspicious that one of them trailed the man out into the Broadmeadows store carpark on Pearcedale Parade to take down the registration details of his sedan and raise the alarm.

It turned out federal police were already watching his every move as they began unravelling what could have been one of the most deadly homegrown terror attacks on Australian shores.

The buyer was Ahmed Mohamed. Then aged in his early 20s, he had grown up in Melbourne's outer suburbs and was living a normal suburban life in Hallam with his wife and a baby boy on the way.

But underneath that veneer of normality, Mohamed and three of his friends were living a secret double life.


On November 2, a Supreme Court jury found Mohamed, 26, Abdullah Chaarani, 28, and Chaarani's cousin, 23-year-old Hamza Abbas, guilty of planning to carry out a mass bombing attack which was also to have featured knives and guns on or around Christmas Day 2016 in Melbourne's CBD.

In 2016 the trio were recruited by Hamza Abbas's brother Ibrahim Abbas, who’d spent two years radicalising himself with Islamic State and al Qaeda propaganda, and had already been raided by ASIO officers years earlier.

All four men were born in Australia to migrant parents, were educated, and employed in various jobs such as painting, electrical work and washing cars.

While little was revealed in court about Mohamed’s home environment, the Abbas brothers and their cousin had lives plagued with strained relationships and broken homes.

Hamza Abbas’ lawyer described her client as having a “fish brain” as he struggled to retain information and concentrate on tasks other than computer games. He was referred to as a tag-along loner who did not want a wife, instead choosing to live with his mother.

Secretly, they'd begun to follow an extreme brand of Sunni Islam which had as one of its central aims the waging of violent jihad against its perceived enemies around the world.

Through the far reaches of the internet, the group connected with Islamic State militants and watched videos of former al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden as they preached hate and filmed bloody murder.

They’d meet in places such as the Hume Islamic Youth Centre (HIYC), a mosque complex in Coolaroo, and had begun to follow the same bomb-making manual used in the deadly Boston Marathon terror attack in 2013.


When two bombs went off near the finish line of the US marathon in April of that year, three were killed and more than 260 wounded.

Ibrahim Abbas told the court he was motivated to become a martyr as it offered him a fast-track ticket to “paradise” – a perceived Islamic heaven he said other Muslims only reached when the world ended.

Mohamed and Ibrahim Abbas were also prepared to use their own family members as unwitting weapons and were secretly recorded by police discussing strapping their siblings and wives into suicide vests as they fine-tuned plans for their Islamic State-inspired attack.


“The bigger, the more terror is achieved, and that's the point,” Ibrahim Abbas told the court.

But despite Ibrahim Abbas’ efforts to conceal his plans from those outside the group, he began to slip up.

It was then police started to listen in.

Operation Kastelholm soon learnt the trips to Bunnings in November 2016 enabled the purchase of galvanised pipes, and nail gun cartridges.

A month later two machetes were bought from a BCF store in Coburg and, on December 2 that year, the group travelled to Chemist Warehouse in Campbellfield to purchase hydrogen peroxide, an ingredient suggested in an online video on how to make a bomb “in your mum’s kitchen”.
The men went to Federation Square to scope it out for a terror attack.


On December 20 the four men travelled to Federation Square under the guise of buying ice cream. Instead police said they scoped out potential locations for a terrorist attack.

“I was forcing them that we should wear vests, explosive vests and then, um, we’re gunna ram a policeman and get his gun and then I was gunna give that gun to whoever I deemed fit to use the gun,” Ibrahim Abbas later told police.

“Then we were gunna go to the city square and, um, one person would use the gun and I was gunna just – whoever I see I was gunna chop and chopping to kill.

“And then I was gunna tell … my co’s to blow themselves up.”

For months the men plotted and planned the ways they could kill innocent people, unsuccessfully trying to build a homemade bomb, before their dramatic roadside arrest at one of the biggest intersections in suburban Melbourne.

At the corner of Dandenong and Springvale roads on December 22, 2016, guns were drawn as Victoria Police's Special Operations Group demanded Mohamed and Chaarani crawl on hands and knees from a red sedan.

Their reign of imminent terror had finally ceased.

"Go ahead martyr me. I welcome death," Chaarani chanted.

"You [police] will have your day soon. Praise Allah, you can't stop us all."

Mohamed, Chaarani and Hamza Abbas are due to be sentenced in coming weeks.
Have a good read Bwian, these are the people you have no solution for and the people you think we should allow to stay here and import more of.
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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by Bobby » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:05 pm

brian ross wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:27 pm
Bobby wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:17 pm
brian ross wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:09 pm


Anytime, Bobby, anytime.

What happened to Terrorists? They were usually quietly put into a hotel room or a flat in Baghdad and then when it was felt their actions might be useful, they were let loose with a large sum of Iraqi money to do their deeds. Saddam was no saint and your attempt to portray him as one is pointless. If he didn't like you, you ended up in the woodchipper machine after a session in the torture chamber. If he found you useful, you were kept under control. Saddam was ruthless and unless you want to end up in the woodchipper, Bobby, I'd stay well away from courting totalitarian dictators. Well away.

You need to be corrected by Donald:

Trump Says Saddam Hussein 'Killed Terrorists'

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Bobby, you don't want to believe what Donald tells you. You know he's a bullshitter don't you?

Saddam Hussein Was Actually Horrible At Killing Terrorists

No, Saddam wasn’t good at killing terrorists

Trump says Saddam Hussein was an opponent of terrorism. He’s wrong

Trump’s Saddam: Terror killer or terror patron?

Was Saddam Hussein good at killing terrorists, as Donald Trump says?

Looks to me like Donald (and by extension yourself) are wrong about Saddam Hussein's record on Terrorism, Bobby.

Now, run along. You're embarrassing me. :roll:

dear Brian,
many blessings.
Ye hath totally ignored the fact that I.S. only gained a foothold in Iraq after Saddam was hanged.

forgiven

namaste

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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by Bobby » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:08 pm

From Brian's link:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... s-donald-/

Where Trump has a point

That said, perhaps the strongest argument for Trump’s assertion is to compare what went on during Hussein's regime and what has happened afterward. His often brutal clampdowns had the side effect of keeping all types of dissent, including terrorism, in check. Since his ouster, instability has often reigned, allowing violence, including terrorism, to flourish.

In fact, ISIS -- perhaps today’s most feared terrorist group -- emerged in the chaos of post-war Iraq when it was known as al-Qaida in Iraq.

Joshua Landis, director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma, blamed both Bush and Clinton for supporting a war in Iraq that destroyed the country’s governing structures. "They also cast out the Sunni elite and Iraqi military from the top of society down to the bottom of society, eliminating their pensions, jobs and futures. This misguided and destructive action infuriated a large swath of Iraqi society, many of whom joined al-Qaida and became ‘terrorists’ according to the U.S. definition. The U.S. has been trying to kill them ever since."

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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by LEFTWINGER supreme » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:28 am

Black Orchid wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:22 pm
Imams, Muslim groups outraged by PM’s 'divisive' Bourke Street comments.

Australian Imams and Muslim groups say Scott Morrison's speech following Friday's Bourke St mall knife attack went too far.

The Australian National Imams Council is among a number of Muslim organisations accusing Prime Minister Scott Morrison of politicising Friday's Bourke Street attack that left one man dead and two others injured.

The Council called the attack a national tragedy but said it was "outraged" by the Prime Minister's recent comments linking Islam to a radical and dangerous ideology.

"It is extremely disappointing in such difficult times and during a national tragedy, when all Australians of all faiths and backgrounds should be called upon to unite and stand together against any form of extremism and violence, to see our nation's leader politicising this incident and using it for political gain," a statement released on Sunday said.

Mr Morrison said while he supported religious freedom, religious extremism must be called out.

"Radical, violent, extremist Islam that opposes our very way of life," he said in a speech on Saturday.

"Religious extremism takes many forms around the world and no religion is immune from it.


"But here in Australia, we would be kidding ourselves if we did not call out the fact that the greatest threat of religious extremism in this country is the radical and dangerous ideology of extremists."

While agreeing that Mr Morrison was "rightly upset by this terrible attack," the Forum On Australia's Islamic Relations (FAIR) joined the Council in saying the PM's assertions, while condemning the attack, were incorrect.

"The Muslim community will not be scapegoated and we will endeavour to keep Australia safe where we can, but the actions of a mentally ill person suffering from a psychotic episode, is not the fault of a whole religious community," a FAIR spokesperson said.

"We demand the withdrawal of his comments and an apology to the Muslim community."


A similar view was held by Muslim Friendship Association spokesperson Keysar Trad, who called Mr Morrison's comments "very divisive".
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/imams-musli ... t-comments

If they don't want a divided community they need to dob in these nutbags who all attend certain mosques. THEN they need to stand up and condemn said nutbags instead of trying to turn it around and incite hate and rant islamophobia.

Fact is these murderous scumbags ARE muslims. Fact is Islam IS a dangerous and radical ideology. End of.
Did you apologize to the tinted when that gentleman doused a bus driver in fuel and lit him up?

No, didn't think so

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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by sprintcyclist » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:33 am

Rorschach wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:32 pm
How slip-up in Bunnings nailed men who plotted deadly Melbourne terror
By Erin Pearson
14 November 2018 — 7:45pm

It was staff at Bunnings who alerted police after a young man made an unusual purchase in December 2016.

He bought 700 nail gun cartridges packed with gunpowder, that were kept behind a locked counter, and left the hardware superstore without buying anything else.

Staff were so suspicious that one of them trailed the man out into the Broadmeadows store carpark on Pearcedale Parade to take down the registration details of his sedan and raise the alarm.

It turned out federal police were already watching his every move as they began unravelling what could have been one of the most deadly homegrown terror attacks on Australian shores.

The buyer was Ahmed Mohamed. Then aged in his early 20s, he had grown up in Melbourne's outer suburbs and was living a normal suburban life in Hallam with his wife and a baby boy on the way.

But underneath that veneer of normality, Mohamed and three of his friends were living a secret double life.


On November 2, a Supreme Court jury found Mohamed, 26, Abdullah Chaarani, 28, and Chaarani's cousin, 23-year-old Hamza Abbas, guilty of planning to carry out a mass bombing attack which was also to have featured knives and guns on or around Christmas Day 2016 in Melbourne's CBD.

In 2016 the trio were recruited by Hamza Abbas's brother Ibrahim Abbas, who’d spent two years radicalising himself with Islamic State and al Qaeda propaganda, and had already been raided by ASIO officers years earlier.

All four men were born in Australia to migrant parents, were educated, and employed in various jobs such as painting, electrical work and washing cars.

While little was revealed in court about Mohamed’s home environment, the Abbas brothers and their cousin had lives plagued with strained relationships and broken homes.

Hamza Abbas’ lawyer described her client as having a “fish brain” as he struggled to retain information and concentrate on tasks other than computer games. He was referred to as a tag-along loner who did not want a wife, instead choosing to live with his mother.

Secretly, they'd begun to follow an extreme brand of Sunni Islam which had as one of its central aims the waging of violent jihad against its perceived enemies around the world.

Through the far reaches of the internet, the group connected with Islamic State militants and watched videos of former al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden as they preached hate and filmed bloody murder.

They’d meet in places such as the Hume Islamic Youth Centre (HIYC), a mosque complex in Coolaroo, and had begun to follow the same bomb-making manual used in the deadly Boston Marathon terror attack in 2013.


When two bombs went off near the finish line of the US marathon in April of that year, three were killed and more than 260 wounded.

Ibrahim Abbas told the court he was motivated to become a martyr as it offered him a fast-track ticket to “paradise” – a perceived Islamic heaven he said other Muslims only reached when the world ended.

Mohamed and Ibrahim Abbas were also prepared to use their own family members as unwitting weapons and were secretly recorded by police discussing strapping their siblings and wives into suicide vests as they fine-tuned plans for their Islamic State-inspired attack.


“The bigger, the more terror is achieved, and that's the point,” Ibrahim Abbas told the court.

But despite Ibrahim Abbas’ efforts to conceal his plans from those outside the group, he began to slip up.

It was then police started to listen in.

Operation Kastelholm soon learnt the trips to Bunnings in November 2016 enabled the purchase of galvanised pipes, and nail gun cartridges.

A month later two machetes were bought from a BCF store in Coburg and, on December 2 that year, the group travelled to Chemist Warehouse in Campbellfield to purchase hydrogen peroxide, an ingredient suggested in an online video on how to make a bomb “in your mum’s kitchen”.
The men went to Federation Square to scope it out for a terror attack.


On December 20 the four men travelled to Federation Square under the guise of buying ice cream. Instead police said they scoped out potential locations for a terrorist attack.

“I was forcing them that we should wear vests, explosive vests and then, um, we’re gunna ram a policeman and get his gun and then I was gunna give that gun to whoever I deemed fit to use the gun,” Ibrahim Abbas later told police.

“Then we were gunna go to the city square and, um, one person would use the gun and I was gunna just – whoever I see I was gunna chop and chopping to kill.

“And then I was gunna tell … my co’s to blow themselves up.”

For months the men plotted and planned the ways they could kill innocent people, unsuccessfully trying to build a homemade bomb, before their dramatic roadside arrest at one of the biggest intersections in suburban Melbourne.

At the corner of Dandenong and Springvale roads on December 22, 2016, guns were drawn as Victoria Police's Special Operations Group demanded Mohamed and Chaarani crawl on hands and knees from a red sedan.

Their reign of imminent terror had finally ceased.

"Go ahead martyr me. I welcome death," Chaarani chanted.

"You [police] will have your day soon. Praise Allah, you can't stop us all."

Mohamed, Chaarani and Hamza Abbas are due to be sentenced in coming weeks.
Have a good read Bwian, these are the people you have no solution for and the people you think we should allow to stay here and import more of.
THis is why Scott Morrison correctly linkled islam and terrrorism
Right Wing is the Natural Progression.

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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by Valkie » Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:47 am

Rorschach wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:32 pm
How slip-up in Bunnings nailed men who plotted deadly Melbourne terror
By Erin Pearson
14 November 2018 — 7:45pm

It was staff at Bunnings who alerted police after a young man made an unusual purchase in December 2016.

He bought 700 nail gun cartridges packed with gunpowder, that were kept behind a locked counter, and left the hardware superstore without buying anything else.

Staff were so suspicious that one of them trailed the man out into the Broadmeadows store carpark on Pearcedale Parade to take down the registration details of his sedan and raise the alarm.

It turned out federal police were already watching his every move as they began unravelling what could have been one of the most deadly homegrown terror attacks on Australian shores.

The buyer was Ahmed Mohamed. Then aged in his early 20s, he had grown up in Melbourne's outer suburbs and was living a normal suburban life in Hallam with his wife and a baby boy on the way.

But underneath that veneer of normality, Mohamed and three of his friends were living a secret double life.


On November 2, a Supreme Court jury found Mohamed, 26, Abdullah Chaarani, 28, and Chaarani's cousin, 23-year-old Hamza Abbas, guilty of planning to carry out a mass bombing attack which was also to have featured knives and guns on or around Christmas Day 2016 in Melbourne's CBD.

In 2016 the trio were recruited by Hamza Abbas's brother Ibrahim Abbas, who’d spent two years radicalising himself with Islamic State and al Qaeda propaganda, and had already been raided by ASIO officers years earlier.

All four men were born in Australia to migrant parents, were educated, and employed in various jobs such as painting, electrical work and washing cars.

While little was revealed in court about Mohamed’s home environment, the Abbas brothers and their cousin had lives plagued with strained relationships and broken homes.

Hamza Abbas’ lawyer described her client as having a “fish brain” as he struggled to retain information and concentrate on tasks other than computer games. He was referred to as a tag-along loner who did not want a wife, instead choosing to live with his mother.

Secretly, they'd begun to follow an extreme brand of Sunni Islam which had as one of its central aims the waging of violent jihad against its perceived enemies around the world.

Through the far reaches of the internet, the group connected with Islamic State militants and watched videos of former al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden as they preached hate and filmed bloody murder.

They’d meet in places such as the Hume Islamic Youth Centre (HIYC), a mosque complex in Coolaroo, and had begun to follow the same bomb-making manual used in the deadly Boston Marathon terror attack in 2013.


When two bombs went off near the finish line of the US marathon in April of that year, three were killed and more than 260 wounded.

Ibrahim Abbas told the court he was motivated to become a martyr as it offered him a fast-track ticket to “paradise” – a perceived Islamic heaven he said other Muslims only reached when the world ended.

Mohamed and Ibrahim Abbas were also prepared to use their own family members as unwitting weapons and were secretly recorded by police discussing strapping their siblings and wives into suicide vests as they fine-tuned plans for their Islamic State-inspired attack.


“The bigger, the more terror is achieved, and that's the point,” Ibrahim Abbas told the court.

But despite Ibrahim Abbas’ efforts to conceal his plans from those outside the group, he began to slip up.

It was then police started to listen in.

Operation Kastelholm soon learnt the trips to Bunnings in November 2016 enabled the purchase of galvanised pipes, and nail gun cartridges.

A month later two machetes were bought from a BCF store in Coburg and, on December 2 that year, the group travelled to Chemist Warehouse in Campbellfield to purchase hydrogen peroxide, an ingredient suggested in an online video on how to make a bomb “in your mum’s kitchen”.
The men went to Federation Square to scope it out for a terror attack.


On December 20 the four men travelled to Federation Square under the guise of buying ice cream. Instead police said they scoped out potential locations for a terrorist attack.

“I was forcing them that we should wear vests, explosive vests and then, um, we’re gunna ram a policeman and get his gun and then I was gunna give that gun to whoever I deemed fit to use the gun,” Ibrahim Abbas later told police.

“Then we were gunna go to the city square and, um, one person would use the gun and I was gunna just – whoever I see I was gunna chop and chopping to kill.

“And then I was gunna tell … my co’s to blow themselves up.”

For months the men plotted and planned the ways they could kill innocent people, unsuccessfully trying to build a homemade bomb, before their dramatic roadside arrest at one of the biggest intersections in suburban Melbourne.

At the corner of Dandenong and Springvale roads on December 22, 2016, guns were drawn as Victoria Police's Special Operations Group demanded Mohamed and Chaarani crawl on hands and knees from a red sedan.

Their reign of imminent terror had finally ceased.

"Go ahead martyr me. I welcome death," Chaarani chanted.

"You [police] will have your day soon. Praise Allah, you can't stop us all."

Mohamed, Chaarani and Hamza Abbas are due to be sentenced in coming weeks.
Have a good read Bwian, these are the people you have no solution for and the people you think we should allow to stay here and import more of.
Perfect proof that these Cultists are retarded morons.
Imagine going to one Bunning and buying that many explosive cartridges?

I'll bet the moron was also wearing his ridiculous dress and probably had a child in a Burka sitting in his car
The car probably had Islam is turd script on the back window as well.

The only thing saving Australians is that Islamist are so retarded, so inbred, so unintelligent, with super low IQ, just like apologists, she of who try to use Dr Google to pretend to be smart.

Look at terrorist attacks
Fails incedenary devices
Shooters that kill one or two before being put down like the dogs they are.
The most ridiculous plots and stupidity

If they had any intelligence, they could even be dangerous to other, not just themselves.

Compare that to white, mentally ill, but far more intelligent people who kill far more with less effort.

Muzzos are morons, idiots, retarded
This is the only sort of person who woukd believe or even practice this ridiculous CULT, this cult of DEATH

And at the very bottom of the cesspit, clinging to the slimy walls of this turd of a CULT are the apologists, trying constantly to defend this CULT OF DEATH.
This vermin, these grubs are even less than the retarded cultists of the CULT OF DEATH.
I have a dream
A world free from the plague of Islam
A world that has never known the horrors of the cult of death.
My hope is that in time, Islam will be nothing but a bad dream

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Post by Bobby » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:02 pm

Valkie,
We're lucky that they're stupid.

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Post by brian ross » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:23 pm

Bobby wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:08 pm
From Brian's link:
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... s-donald-/

Where Trump has a point

That said, perhaps the strongest argument for Trump’s assertion is to compare what went on during Hussein's regime and what has happened afterward. His often brutal clampdowns had the side effect of keeping all types of dissent, including terrorism, in check. Since his ouster, instability has often reigned, allowing violence, including terrorism, to flourish.

In fact, ISIS -- perhaps today’s most feared terrorist group -- emerged in the chaos of post-war Iraq when it was known as al-Qaida in Iraq.

Joshua Landis, director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma, blamed both Bush and Clinton for supporting a war in Iraq that destroyed the country’s governing structures. "They also cast out the Sunni elite and Iraqi military from the top of society down to the bottom of society, eliminating their pensions, jobs and futures. This misguided and destructive action infuriated a large swath of Iraqi society, many of whom joined al-Qaida and became ‘terrorists’ according to the U.S. definition. The U.S. has been trying to kill them ever since."
This runs completely counter to what you (and el Presidente') claimed, Bobby. You cannot have it both ways. Either Saddam Hussein used Terrorists or he killed Terrorists. Choice is yours. If you support the former, you're admitting your mistake. If you support the latter, you're admitting your mistake. Now run along, Bobby, you tire me. :roll:
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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by BigP » Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:56 pm

brian ross wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:08 pm
I wonder why all Christians aren't condemned when a Christian breaks the law?

I wonder why all Hindus aren't condemned when an Hindu breaks the law?

I wonder why all Buddhists aren't condemned when a Buddhist breaks the law?

I wonder why all the Zoroastrians aren't condemned when a Zoroastrian breaks the law?

Gee, only Muslims are told they are responsible for the actions of all Muslims continually. I wonder why? Could it be Islamophobia? Nah! Of course not, no one here suffers from Islamophobia, now do they?

If these peeps were running around Australia killing people in the name of their religion, I feel confident they would be called on it Brian

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Post by Rorschach » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:00 pm

Trump has nothing to do with the topic..., can you please try to stay on topic.
bwian, bobby?
The Mocker: Look at the obvious, Dr Anne Aly

Following last week’s terrorist attack in Melbourne by Somali-born Muslim Hassan Khalif Shire Ali that resulted in the murder of beloved Pelligrini’s co-owner Sisto Malaspina, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said something most of our politicians and commentators are too gutless to say.

“The greatest threat of religious extremism in this country is the radical and dangerous ideology of extremist Islam, he said.

“There is a special responsibility on religious leaders to protect their religious communities and ensure that dangerous teachings and ideologies do not take root here. They must be proactive, they must be alert, and they must call this out in their communities and more broadly for what it is.”

If anything, he was diplomatic. Put bluntly, if you are a religious leader and aware of impressionable simpletons whose idea of making the world a better place is to stab innocents and try to blow up the city in the name of Allah, you have an obligation to notify the authorities and denounce these mediaevalists for what they are: terrorists. If your faith really is a “religion of peace” as the public relations jingle goes, how about reinforcing this with actions as well as words?


Common sense really, but it upset Melbourne sheik Mohammed Omran of the Hume Islamic Youth Centre, where last week’s killer had attended prayer sessions. “If [Shire Ali] was a Christian he would not be called a terrorist,” insisted an obtuse Omran, who also blamed police and security agencies for not preventing the attack and claimed his ability to intervene was limited to dialling triple-0 in the event of a threat. He could not have better vindicated the PM had he tried.

But it was not just Omran who was obfuscating. “I think the Prime Minister needs to do a little bit of Terrorism 101 before he starts talking in short phrases and catch phrases and know what he’s talking about before he starts dividing communities and pointing fingers at radical Islam,” said a smug Dr Anne Aly, Federal Labor MP, Egyptian-born Muslim and former counter-terrorism academic. “The biggest victims of violence in Australia aren’t victims of violent terrorism: they are victims of domestic violence.”

It raises the question of which religion, if not radical Islam, is fostering terrorism.
The Mormons or Hare Krishna perhaps? And to evaluate the consequences of terrorism solely on the number of deaths caused is chronically myopic. For example, assume in the month after the outbreak of World War II no Australian had yet been killed in action, yet five were murdered in domestic incidents. Based on these numbers, Aly’s reasoning would dictate that countering domestic violence took priority over fighting the war.

She also disregards the fact that the enormous resources in Australia devoted to counter-terrorism have thwarted numerous atrocities, including bombings, stabbings, beheadings, and allegedly in one case, an attempt to bring down a plane carrying hundreds of passengers. As I write this reports are coming in of three Muslim men — Ahmed Mohamed, Abdullah Chaarani, and Hamza Abbas — having been found guilty of conspiring to carry out a mass slaughter in Federation Square in retaliation for Australia’s opposition to Islamic State. Would it be unreasonable to conclude radical Islam may have had something to do with their motivation?

Later conceding her “choice of words” was poor, Aly said this had been “a learning experience”. You don’t say. Maintaining she had not intended “to conflate domestic violence with terrorism,” she insisted she did not want to “diminish the significance of the Melbourne terrorist attack”. It was the occasion for remorse, yet she could not resist verballing the PM by playing victim straw man. “I do take issue with calling out that behaviour by wholly and solely blaming an entire community and putting the responsibility of terrorism on an entire community,” she said.

The PM never did this. How hypocritical of Aly, who told parliament in her maiden speech: “The fight against terrorism is a fight for reason, and we cannot afford to let it be hijacked by populism or by party politics.” It also appears the member for Cowan rates herself highly, as by her making it known in the same speech her academic career culminated “in being asked to speak at the White House, at President Obama’s countering violent extremism summit, and, more recently, receiving the prestigious Australian Security Medal”.

This expertise is not reflected in her recent outburst, and her credibility has been badly damaged. ALP officials must be wondering whether Aly — who unsuccessfully ran for the Senate as a Greens candidate in 2007 — can retain Cowan, which she holds by a margin of only 0.68 per cent.


Her remarks last year on section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, which makes it unlawful to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person based on their race, colour, or national or ethnic origin, embarrassed the Opposition. Despite Labor’s stance that there was no need to amend the section, Aly said there was “scope to assess” extending 18C to cover religion. “I think we have definitely seen an increase in anti-Islamic rhetoric,” she said, effectively asking for a restoration of blasphemy laws. Asked if the Turnbull Government’s attempt to water down 18C could affect national security, she said “Absolutely”, adding that she had “been subjected to racism time and time again, as I was growing up, and even in my life now”.

In 2014, then an academic, she described sharia law as “guidelines for life”. Commenting in 2015 on impressionable young Muslim men lured into fighting jihad, she clumsily said “I think we have to get our heads round the fact that there might be something nice about ISIS that these people are attracted to.” That same year she claimed the government’s response to countering violent extremism had “disproportionately focused on the Australian Muslim communities”.

“The developing discourse on national security and terrorism continues to define them [Muslims] as the objects of terror,” she wrote.

In 2015, then PM Tony Abbott’s remark “I’ve often heard Western leaders describe Islam as a ‘religion of peace’ — I wish more Muslim leaders would say that more often, and mean it.” prompted Aly to remonstrate with him in a petulant and self-centred open letter in her capacity as founding chair of People Against Violent Extremism. “I am deeply disappointed that my elected leader, a person to whom I should be able to look up to, considers my work not only insignificant, but even worse, insincere,” she wrote. There is that straw man again. As Gerard Henderson of Media Watch Dog observed, it was the Abbott Government that funded Aly’s centre.

That same year Aly addressed the University of Western Sydney’s National Advancing Community Cohesion Conference — Towards a National Compact conference. “Violent extremism isn’t just a Muslim problem in Australia,” she said. “The numbers are staggering and growing in right-wing extremism.”

“While we continue to wrestle with the very real threat of violent jihadist extremism perpetrated by those who identify with Daesh (Islamic State), wrote Aly in a Guardian column days later, “we should also remain aware of the emergence of other forms of extremism that are equally threatening.”

Referring to a rally that month by the far-right group Reclaim Australia, Aly criticised Australia’s leaders for not speaking out, she wrote: “The dome of silence that has descended over our political leadership and the failure of Tony Abbott to condemn the Reclaim movement speak volumes.” This is where Aly’s enormous double standard becomes obvious. On one hand she demands our leaders condemn anti-Islamic movements, yet when two prime ministers do the same against radical Islam and appeal for the co-operation of Muslim leaders, she accuses them of being divisive.

“There is actually no empirical evidence to support the claim that religion (any religion) and ideology are the primary motivators of violent extremism,” she wrote in 2015. Seriously? In the aftermath of Sydney’s Lindt Café siege at the hands of Man Haron Monis, she asserted “These modern-day lone-wolf terrorists may be more like lone gunmen than terrorists.” On the day this siege ended she said of Monis “from all reports he was mentally unstable”.

Contrary to Aly’s premature assurances, a coroner would later find Monis “acted in a controlled, planned and quite methodical manner marked by deliberation and choice” and that he “was not suffering from a diagnosable categorical psychiatric disorder that deprived him of the capacity to understand the nature of what he was doing”.

Considering all these examples, you wonder whether she is more apologist than academic, a label that could quickly result in her own party deeming her a liability. As for her confected outrage over the PM “pointing fingers at radical Islam”, here is a suggestion for Dr Aly. You might need to do a little bit of The Bloody Obvious 101.
Anne Aly is a crackpot pure and simple. A biased wannabe expert who lives in self delusion and fantasy. :du
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DOLT - A person who is stupid and entirely tedious at the same time, like bwian. Oblivious to their own mental incapacity. On IGNORE - Warrior, mellie, Nom De Plume, FLEKTARD

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