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Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by Black Orchid » Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:22 pm

Imams, Muslim groups outraged by PM’s 'divisive' Bourke Street comments.

Australian Imams and Muslim groups say Scott Morrison's speech following Friday's Bourke St mall knife attack went too far.

The Australian National Imams Council is among a number of Muslim organisations accusing Prime Minister Scott Morrison of politicising Friday's Bourke Street attack that left one man dead and two others injured.

The Council called the attack a national tragedy but said it was "outraged" by the Prime Minister's recent comments linking Islam to a radical and dangerous ideology.

"It is extremely disappointing in such difficult times and during a national tragedy, when all Australians of all faiths and backgrounds should be called upon to unite and stand together against any form of extremism and violence, to see our nation's leader politicising this incident and using it for political gain," a statement released on Sunday said.

Mr Morrison said while he supported religious freedom, religious extremism must be called out.

"Radical, violent, extremist Islam that opposes our very way of life," he said in a speech on Saturday.

"Religious extremism takes many forms around the world and no religion is immune from it.


"But here in Australia, we would be kidding ourselves if we did not call out the fact that the greatest threat of religious extremism in this country is the radical and dangerous ideology of extremists."

While agreeing that Mr Morrison was "rightly upset by this terrible attack," the Forum On Australia's Islamic Relations (FAIR) joined the Council in saying the PM's assertions, while condemning the attack, were incorrect.

"The Muslim community will not be scapegoated and we will endeavour to keep Australia safe where we can, but the actions of a mentally ill person suffering from a psychotic episode, is not the fault of a whole religious community," a FAIR spokesperson said.

"We demand the withdrawal of his comments and an apology to the Muslim community."


A similar view was held by Muslim Friendship Association spokesperson Keysar Trad, who called Mr Morrison's comments "very divisive".
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If they don't want a divided community they need to dob in these nutbags who all attend certain mosques. THEN they need to stand up and condemn said nutbags instead of trying to turn it around and incite hate and rant islamophobia.

Fact is these murderous scumbags ARE muslims. Fact is Islam IS a dangerous and radical ideology. End of.

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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by Neferti » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:28 pm

‘Making excuses’: Scott Morrison doubles down in response to Bourke Street attack

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has doubled down on his criticism of the Islamic community in the wake of the Bourke Street terror attack.

Mr Morrison visited Pellegrini’s cafe this morning to pay his respects to Sisto Malaspina, the beloved restaurateur who was killed when 30-year-old Hassan Khalif Shire Ali stabbed him during Friday’s attack.

He reiterated his call for imams and other members of the community to be better at identifying radicalised people in their congregations and alerting the authorities.

“I won’t cop the excuses,” he said.

“For those who want to stick their head in the sand, for those who want to make excuses for those who stick their head in the sand, you are not making Australia safer. You are giving people an excuse to look the other way and not deal with things right in front of you.

“If there are people in a religious community, an Islamic community, that are bringing in hateful, violent, extremist ideologies into your community, you’ve got to call it out.”

Earlier today, Mr Morri son came under fire from Sheik Mohammed Omran, the spiritual leader of the youth centre where Ali attended prayer sessions.

“This person was on the watch list. So what did they do? Nothing,” Sheik Omran told The Australian.

“We want to be really truthful with each other. This bloody Prime Minister, instead of turning the heat on somebody else, he should answer us about what he did.

“He has spent billions of dollars — billions — on security services. And what is the end result? We have crazy people in the streets.”

Yesterday Australia’s Grand Mufti, Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, told SBS Arabic Mr Morrison’s position constituted “serious discrimination” against Muslims. He also took aim at Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton.

“We do not need Dutton’s plea to remember our duties,” he said. “I’d like to remind him that security agencies failed to do their job.”

Meanwhile Muslims Australia wrote to the Prime Minister and urged him to apologise.

When he spoke outside Pellegrini’s, Mr Morrison rejected the criticism, saying it was the community’s responsibility to be vigilant for radicalisation.

“Communities need to ensure they weed this out,” he said.

“I’m a member of a religious community, and my pastor knows what’s going on in our church community.

“He would know if there was someone, or his wife would know if there was someone leading a local Bible study group or something like that who was teaching things that were not in accordance with what our faith believed. They’d be pointing that out and they’d be dealing with it.”

He would not reveal the details of how Ali was radicalised, citing “the cone of silence of the investigation”, but said it clearly happened in Australia.

“He was radicalised in this country. He came here when he was five years old, for goodness’ sake,” the Prime Minister said.

“What happened here, happened here. And so we need to focus on what happened here, that is a man grew up in this country, and was radicalised with these hateful views and beliefs, and he didn’t get it from the postman. He didn’t get it from the police. He got it from the community he was living in and the people he was speaking to.”

He stressed that some imams were “brave” and deserved to be applauded for “protecting the integrity” of their communities.

Labor leader Bill Shorten was more circumspect in his own comments addressing the “evil tragedy” this morning.

“I can understand why people what to lash out, want to blame different groups or want to blame politicians, or want to blame Mr Morrison. I actually think we’ve got to take a step back,” Mr Shorten said.

“There are a few radicalised troublemakers, no question, and pretending that isn’t the case doesn’t make it go away. But by the same token, the vast bulk of Muslim Australians, the vast, vast bulk, love their country, and I don’t want to tag a whole group of Australians just by the actions of a few.

“We need calmness and coolness.”

Mr Morrison’s Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton made a similar point to the Prime Minsiter on Sunday, as he pleaded with Australians to help close a “black spot” in the country’s ability to detect terror threats.

“There is a real black spot for us, and that is a vulnerability,” Mr Dutton admitted, citing comments from Duncan Lewis, the Director-General of Security at ASIO, who said potential terrorists were using encrypted apps so their messages couldn’t be discovered.

“It is even more difficult today than it was five or ten years ago to try to deal with some of these cases,” Mr Dutton said.

“The police can’t contemplate every circumstance.

“Where you have someone who is buying chemicals, importing or purchasing online different items that might be precursors to make up an explosive device, you would expect there to be intelligence around that activity.

“Where you have someone who picks up a kitchen knife and grabs a couple of gas bottles and drives into the CBD, these are very difficult circumstances to stop.”

Mr Dutton did not reveal why Ali’s passport was revoked in 2015, saying only that he had been spoken to by ASIO and other agencies and there was “no evidence” an attack was imminent.

“The judgement made about this individual was that he was not in the planning stage of the attack,” he said.

The Home Affairs Minister indicated it was critical for Australians to report suspicious activity, to help authorities compensate for the “black spot”.

“Unless there’s advice, as I say, from a community member or from a family member, or there’s advice as the result of a surveillance process or intercept of a telecommunications device, then it is very, very difficult,” Mr Dutton said.

“My plea is to people within particularly the Islamic community, but across society. If you have information, if you see a behaviour of an individual or family member, someone in a workplace, that causes you concern, provide that information.

“It may lead to somebody not going to Bourke Street Mall or not committing an offence that results in loss of life.

“There may be no phone call. There may be no advice or planning or purchasing of particular precursors to make an improvised explosive device. So again, we need to be realistic about this.

“That is why it is important for us to get as much information from the imams, from spouses, from family members, community members, council workers, people that might be interacting with those that might have changed their behaviours.”

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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by Neferti » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:28 pm

Well said, Mr Morrison.

When I lived in Melbourne we used to go to Pellegrini's regularly. Great Italian food. It was a restaurant back then, not a Cafe/Espresso thing as such. We used to go to the Theatre, after work, then Pellegrini's. Very popular place, reasonably priced. Many happy times there.

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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by cods » Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:51 pm

WE MUST ALWAYS CALL A SPADE A SPADE.....

IF A MAN IS BLACK.....WHY TRY TO PAINT HIM WHITE......AND VICE VERSA.....

MUSLIMS HAVE SET THEMSELVES APART FROM THE REST OF US.....THEY HAVE DEMANDED WE ALTER OUR WAY OF LIFE TO FIT IN WITH THEM....

AKA HALAL FOOD... A COST THAT IS PASSED ON TO EVERYONE.....

I AM SICK TO DEATH OF EVERY TIME OUR PM TELLS THE TRUTH THEY WHINGE AND BELLYACHE..

YET IF THESE MEN WERE JEWS AND WE LIVED IN FEAR OF THEM......

AND THE PM CONDEMNED THEM ... THE IMAMS WOULDNT PROTEST WOULD THEY?....


SPEAK UP SCOTTY WE NEED SOMEONE WITH BALLS...


i wouldnt mind but he didnt tell a lie did he? he didnt make it all up...

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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by brian ross » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:08 pm

I wonder why all Christians aren't condemned when a Christian breaks the law?

I wonder why all Hindus aren't condemned when an Hindu breaks the law?

I wonder why all Buddhists aren't condemned when a Buddhist breaks the law?

I wonder why all the Zoroastrians aren't condemned when a Zoroastrian breaks the law?

Gee, only Muslims are told they are responsible for the actions of all Muslims continually. I wonder why? Could it be Islamophobia? Nah! Of course not, no one here suffers from Islamophobia, now do they?
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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by Black Orchid » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:08 pm

Well said ScoMo and he has risen in my estimation. On the flip side what Shorty said just makes him look weaker and will be complicit in exposing us to more of this.

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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by Valkie » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:52 pm

So, the Imran are not happy being called out

Easy, piss off back to the he'll hole where you belong

Take your terrorist CULT members with you

Win win.
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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by Bobby » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:14 pm

Valkie wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:52 pm
So, the Imran are not happy being called out

Easy, piss off back to the he'll hole where you belong

Take your terrorist CULT members with you

Win win.

At least we got a bit of truth out of one politician.

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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by cods » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:28 pm

brian ross wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:08 pm
I wonder why all Christians aren't condemned when a Christian breaks the law?

I wonder why all Hindus aren't condemned when an Hindu breaks the law?

I wonder why all Buddhists aren't condemned when a Buddhist breaks the law?

I wonder why all the Zoroastrians aren't condemned when a Zoroastrian breaks the law?

Gee, only Muslims are told they are responsible for the actions of all Muslims continually. I wonder why? Could it be Islamophobia? Nah! Of course not, no one here suffers from Islamophobia, now do they?



maybe its because there is not a section of those religions that are hell bent on killing anyone who is not a member of their faith......at least I havent seen many around the world blowing up others on trains buses and planes...and now running them down on footpaths....

I am sure if they are out there you would tell us about them brian.....as it is all I see almost every country had been attacked by Muslim Terrorists one way or another.........

can you tellme exactly when the last group who identified as Christian ... blew up a trainful of Muslims because they were not CHristian..... :roll: :roll:


I would be curious to see those stats..

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Re: Imams enraged with Morrison

Post by sprintcyclist » Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:27 am

I am disgusted with the imams and feel pity for anyone trapped in a cult
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