Tasmania - no gender on birth certificates

[Black Orchid]

Wow, I didn't know there was such moronism anywhere in the world. So now what, I as an employer don't have the right to know my future employees/candidates' genders? What if I run an electrical company or a construction business that requires man power. What if I run a security company and I need logics instead of emotions, muscle instead of atrophied arms, and what if I cannot afford some girl's pussy to be leaking every month and her emotions to go all wild on me while there's serious work to be executed, and probably lives on the line. Moronism.

Women are powerful enough to take down most men psychically. Let me guess you're also against women serving in Arms units in the military? Women should be in the home, pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen, hey?

Try the middle ground for once Brian. It does not have to be one end of the scale to the other.

If women want to fly helicopters in combat etc fine, go for it, but to have women actually in the field in a male unit in combat is not anything I agree with either.

I know people who have been in combat and no matter how capable a woman is she will ALWAYS slow the unit down in some way or another. That certainly does not mean she should be back home barefoot and in the kitchen

Women do NOT have the strength or stamina that males have. That's a fact no matter which way you want to twist it.

[brian ross]

Try the middle ground for once Brian. It does not have to be one end of the scale to the other.

If women want to fly helicopters in combat etc fine, go for it, but to have women actually in the field in a male unit in combat is not anything I agree with either.

I know people who have been in combat and no matter how capable a woman is she will ALWAYS slow the unit down in some way or another. That certainly does not mean she should be back home barefoot and in the kitchen

Women do NOT have the strength or stamina that males have. That's a fact no matter which way you want to twist it.

I have served with women "in the field", BO. Indeed, one unit I was with used to have mixed showers in the field. No one batted an eyelid. It was a decision that they had made. Women and men can and do serve together quite well. The defence forces are not the small, shrinking violet type of person. You have to be at least moderately sized, tough and strong. I've known women who stripped off to their Bras in the tropics when physically handling truck loads of Ration boxes. The men working with them had stripped off their shirts and they felt they could the same. It was hot, heavy work. No one complained. No one got upset. It just was done.

The myths about what women can and cannot do are just that, myths. Women can and do handle heavy loads, the world's economy would fail if women were all sitting at home in the kitchen. There is an old adage, "If the German Panzers invade Russia and they are met by an old Babushka, who do you put your money on?" Personally, I'd put my money on the Babushka.

Women can be trained to be stronger, they can fight as effectively as men and their presence in the ADF has not seen the downfall of Western Civilisation, BO, despite what is claimed about them. Same for Gays. The ADF functions well as an effective, strong military force. It has Gays, it has women amongst it's members. It gets on with the job. Society has changed and for the better. We have had female Premiers, a female PM, we have female doctors, lawyers, truck drivers, brickies, labourers, electricians, etc. There is no way we can turn the clock back to the 1950s.

[Black Orchid]

Rubbish Brian. Absolute rubbish.

And pretty sure the only combat you would ever have seen would be on your Playstation in your own basement. You just do not have 'it'.

[brian ross]

Rubbish Brian. Absolute rubbish.

No, facts, reality, BO. Women's Liberation occurred in the 1960s. Ever wonder why? Women who had been forced out of the workplace and back into the home taught their daughters that they were as good as men - which they are. Time you caught up with 21st century Australian society, BO.

[FLEKTARN]

@Brian O'Connor,

Not in the kitchen per se, but not in the Military. You got that right.

The majority of the women lack the physical or mental strength to participate in active combat. US Army and US Marines lowered the test on pull-ups for females, and later removed it, since women can't even do 3 pull-ups. Now they have the hanging test, where they need to just hang for 70 seconds, which is so pathetic, that it was never introduced for men.

If they can't do 3 pull-ups, the majority of them, how are these women gonna perform when their comrade is injured and they have to get him to safety? I did that, lifted a huge adult man and carried him on my BJJ workouts. I did BJJ for a couple of years. It's not so easy. It's pretty exhausting when you have to run with 100 or more kilograms on your back. First time I did that I fell on the ground; my knees gave up on me. I wish the greatest luck to most women to lift and carry me. They won't do it. I'm 110 kg by the way.



And not only that, but if we're gonna talk about equality, I don't think that 70 seconds of hang test are EQUAL to the 20 to 23 of pull-ups men need to do. Most female Marines will have to complete between 40 and 50 push-ups to earn 70 points, while most men will have to do between 70 and 80.

Maybe you should get a better grasp at reality, before addressing me on such matters where I excel.

[Valkie]

Rubbish Brian. Absolute rubbish.

And pretty sure the only combat you would ever have seen would be on your Playstation in your own basement. You just do not have 'it'.

It's amazing just how much bwyannnnmn has fit into his life

Soldier fighting for the good.
University lecturer
72 doctorates and certificates
Travelled the world
Lived in many countries

Wow, I am in awe

And I believe him
And the Easter bunny
And Santa clause
And flying donkeys
And the sun setting in a muddy hole
Etc, etc

[FLEKTARN]

Brian O'Connor says: "Women are powerful enough to take down most men psychically."

I've nothing against letting MMA (UFC and Bellator) fix fights between men and women. That'd be better than Ancient Rome and watch gladiators fight lions in the Colosseum.

Imagine men in Australian rugby vs. A team of girls. Nice.

Or even betta' — imagine Mirko Cro Cop vs. Cat Zingano. That'd be legal murder.

[brian ross]

@Brian O'Connor,

Not in the kitchen per se, but not in the Military. You got that right.

What a shame, hey that the rest of the world disagrees with you. Women can and have fought successfully for millennia. In Australia, women have been admitted to Arms units except where physical combat was to occur since 1990. Before that, they were allowed into Service units since the 1960s. In 2011, it was announced all limitations would be lifted by 2016. This year there are no limitations on where a woman can serve. If properly trained and chosen according to their physical type, women can be as strong as men. I remember one woman in 4 MD who held the record for changing a truck tyre in the Australian Army - that was taking the wheel off the truck, the tyre off the wheel and putting a new one one and then back on the truck. No man was able to match her for speed and strength.

Women tend to work smarter rather than just rely purely on their strength. I know of one woman who bought herself a Chieftain MBT in the UK in the 1990s. She was fed up with the bullshit she received from the serving males and challenged them to a tracking breaking competition. Tracking breaking occurs when a track needs new links put into it. She won easily. Why? Because she used tools she had designed and had made, whereas the men were limited to what they were issued. The British Army took note and asked her help in redesigning their track tools.

In Iraq and Afghanistan, the US Army found that it had a load of women performing combat duties. They excelled. There is no such thing as a "front line" nowadays in warfare. "All Arms Defence" - where all units undertake their own defensive duties means that all members of all units must be trained to use their weapons as infantry people, first and foremost and then perform their specialist duties. In the Australian Army, the artificial division was just that, an artificial division and women performed combat duties no mater what unit they were posted to. The US Army discovered the same thing when they undertook COIN duties. Women could and did defend themselves when required to.

Denial of reality does you no service. You can claim what you like but reality would suggest otherwise.

[Black Orchid]

In Iraq and Afghanistan, the US Army found that it had a load of women performing combat duties. They excelled.

Not entirely true as you present it and it depends on the 'combat duties' undertaken/performed.

[FLEKTARN]

"In Iraq and Afghanistan, the US Army found that it had a load of women performing combat duties."

Yes. As Medics. I already said to you — don't argue with me on matter you don't grasp, Aussie. I'm subbed to a lot of channels and one of them is FUNKER 350. It's the biggest channel for combat footage from Afghanistan and Iraq. I've literally never saw women being in the field.

You're telling stories again. And serving as our scapegoat, and so we can have a crack of laugh on ya.