Muslims

[BigP]

""""My comment was just as valid as some one apparently declaring I am a troll or someone proclaiming that I have a "psychiatric disorder""""""


Brian , everyone here has a disorder of some form or other lol

[Valkie]

Sounds like a small child

But but but but
Awwwwwwwww
It's not fair

The fact is muzzos are dangerous
They don't like us even more than we don't like them
They preach hatred with apparent impunity
They insult us, our religion, our culture even our women

But don't dare even question their devil worship
They come out demanding beheading and murder people.

Respect is a two way street
They are the immigrants, they must respect us before we respect them

They have a right to practice their CULT, wear what they like and even associate.

Yet if we go to a muzzo country the exact opposite is in force
We cannot openly practice our religion
We cannot wear what we like
And we cannot associate with others of our own.

This is Islam
Unfair, hypocritical, sick, twisted, barbaric, primitive and dangerous.

[Rorschach]

The indonesians, bwian's favourite "moderate" Muslims to our North have stated that relocating Australia’s embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem “would be met with a very negative reaction in Indonesia” and that Australia should consider its interests in the region before doing so.

I'm sorry was that a threat?

Since when do we tell Indonesia where it can put an Embassy and since when have they the right to tell us what we can or cannot do? This clearly shows a Nationwide push and attempt at intimidation, by Muslims, at a national level.

[sprintcyclist]

The indonesians, bwian's favourite "moderate" Muslims to our North have stated that relocating Australia’s embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem “would be met with a very negative reaction in Indonesia” and that Australia should consider its interests in the region before doing so.

I'm sorry was that a threat?

Since when do we tell Indonesia where it can put an Embassy and since when have they the right to tell us what we can or cannot do? This clearly shows a Nationwide push and attempt at intimidation, by Muslims, at a national level.

I have seen muslims threaten and bully online and in the real world.

[Rorschach]

But Mr Morrison’s unexpected announcement ahead of this month’s Wentworth by-election, that Canberra might follow the US lead in shifting its Israel embassy to Jerusalem, prompted an angry response in Jakarta where the Palestinian cause has long been a heartland issue.

A series of diplomatic meetings and some furious phone messaging ensued, with Indonesian Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi telling her Australian counterpart Marise Payne the move would “slap Indonesia’s face” and “affect bilateral relations”.

Ms Retno also questioned the timing of the announcement which, though intended to boost Coalition support among the Jewish community in Mr Turnbull’s former eastern Sydney electorate, also coincided with Jakarta hosting a Palestinian delegation led by Foreign Minister Riyad al-Maliki.

Australia’s ambassador to ­Indonesia, Gary Quinlan, was summoned twice.

How does this not prove the belief amongst Non-Muslims that Muslims put Muslims first amongst all others?
Why should the location of an Australian embassy in a country in the ME be of any concern to Indonesia, or Indonesian Muslims?
Why do they thing they have the right to tell us how to run our country due to their religion?

[sprintcyclist]

But Mr Morrison’s unexpected announcement ahead of this month’s Wentworth by-election, that Canberra might follow the US lead in shifting its Israel embassy to Jerusalem, prompted an angry response in Jakarta where the Palestinian cause has long been a heartland issue.

A series of diplomatic meetings and some furious phone messaging ensued, with Indonesian Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi telling her Australian counterpart Marise Payne the move would “slap Indonesia’s face” and “affect bilateral relations”.

Ms Retno also questioned the timing of the announcement which, though intended to boost Coalition support among the Jewish community in Mr Turnbull’s former eastern Sydney electorate, also coincided with Jakarta hosting a Palestinian delegation led by Foreign Minister Riyad al-Maliki.

Australia’s ambassador to ­Indonesia, Gary Quinlan, was summoned twice.

How does this not prove the belief amongst Non-Muslims that Muslims put Muslims first amongst all others?
Why should the location of an Australian embassy in a country in the ME be of any concern to Indonesia, or Indonesian Muslims?
Why do they thing they have the right to tell us how to run our country due to their religion?

because islam is not just a religion. It is a political system and an armed force.

[Valkie]

Good

STOP ALL THE AID

STOP TOURISTS FROM GOING THERE

CONFISCATE AND DESTROY ANY VESSELS FISHING IN OUR WATERS

WE DONT NEED THIS PRIMITIVE COUNTRY

And watch Indonesia crumble into the cesspit of faeces it so clearly resembles.

[FLEKTARN]

Let's not forget Nike's "tolerance". The Nike Hijab Pro. It's a real thing. You can buy it!

[Rorschach]

Now what was it that happened in the last day or so?

Palestinians’ worst enemy their predatory authoritarian leaders
By Elliot Kaufman
The Wall Street Journal
November 1, 2018

There’s a rule of thumb for journalists reporting on the Palestinians: if it can’t be blamed on Israel, it isn’t news. But some rules demand to be broken.

After a two-year investigation and nearly 100 interviews with detainees, Human Rights Watch released a report last week documenting the Palestinian leadership’s gross violation of its people’s human rights. Both Hamas, which rules Gaza, and the Palestinian Authority, which governs in the West Bank, are implicated. The two groups conduct arbitrary arrests for offences as ludicrous as critical Facebook posts, and regularly torture detainees.

The report — Two Authorities, One Way, Zero Dissent — details cases of horrific violence and repression. Hamas kept Fouad Jarada, a journalist accused of “harming revolutionary unity”, in a notorious room called “the bus” for a month, forcing him to stand blindfolded on a small child’s chair for days at a time and whipping him with a cable. In the West Bank, detainees tell of being punched, kicked, beaten with batons, slammed against walls, and electrically shocked until they confess.

Both Palestinian organisations said they reject torture and consider the incidents HRW compiled to be “isolated cases that are investigated when brought to the attention of authorities, who hold perpetrators to account”. But Human Rights Watch couldn’t find a single official in either jurisdiction convicted of mistreating detainees or making arbitrary arrests.

“The habitual, deliberate, widely known use of torture, using similar tactics over years with no action taken by senior officials in either authority to stop these abuses, make these practices systematic,” the report concludes. “They also indicate that torture is governmental policy for both the PA and Hamas.” Since this likely constitutes a crime against humanity, HRW recommends that the International Criminal Court open an investigation.

Fatah, the party that controls the Palestinian Authority, may be more “moderate” than Hamas in its approach to Israel, but it is brutal to Palestinians in the West Bank. The report explains that even when the authority releases detainees, it often refuses to drop charges, leaving behind a pretext for repeated punitive arrests to harass critics into silence. Vaguely worded laws also empower officials to detain Palestinians for calling for free expression on Facebook, or reporting on unemployment. The offenders are then held in custody for weeks for provoking “sectarian strife” and insulting “higher authorities”. Similarly, in Gaza, the wrong post on social media can result in persecution for “misuse of technology”.

In January, the Trump administration suspended tens of millions of dollars in aid to the Palestinian Authority, but in March congress exempted $US70 million in security assistance. The report calls on the US, Europe and the UN to suspend all funding for the Palestinian Authority’s Preventative Security Forces, General Intelligence Services, and Joint Security Committee until the agencies cease arresting critics and torturing detainees. It also asks Iran, Qatar and Turkey to stop funding Hamas. Good luck with that.

No one can accuse HRW of anti-Palestinian or pro-Israel bias. For years the group has disproportionately focused its criticism on Israel, accusing it of war crimes and other violations of international law. The lead author of the HRW report, Israel and Palestine director Omar Shakir, has on several occasions accused Israel of practising “apartheid”. The group has even raised money off the opposition it attracts from pro-Israel groups.

Instead of further demonising Israel, this report is pro-Palestinian in the best sense: it defends the Palestinian people from their predatory authoritarian leaders. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas was democratically elected in 2005 for a four-year term. He never allowed his people to vote again, and still rules almost 14 years later.

Abuse and corruption aside, all the Palestinian leadership offers is angry rhetoric or violence against Israel. “Calls by Palestinian officials to safeguard Palestinian rights ring hollow as they crush dissent,” said HRW’s deputy program director Tom Porteous.

It has been 25 years since the Oslo Accords instituted some Palestinian self-rule in the West Bank and 13 years since Israel vacated the Gaza Strip. Where Palestinians have autonomy, Porteous says, “they have developed parallel police states”.

Naturally, HRW and other critics castigate Israel for failing to give the Palestinians more autonomy. Amid the pressure to create a Palestinian state, the easiest thing to do is ignore the warning signs that statehood today would result in even more tyranny and bloodshed.

[Rorschach]

How's this for an example of all those nice, moderate Muslims bwian keeps on about....
There are countries full of people like this bwian no matter how often you deny it.

Death penalty for blasphemy and 8 years in gaol before it was overturned, now threatened with death upon release...


Asia Bibi: Pakistan court overturns blasphemy death sentence

Christian woman to be freed after being sentenced in 2010, accused of insulting prophet Muhammad
Memphis Barker in Islamabad

Thu 1 Nov 2018 02.42 AEDT

Pakistan’s supreme court has struck down the death sentence for blasphemy handed down to Christian woman Asia Bibi, in a long-delayed, landmark decision that will free her after nine years on death row and has ignited countrywide protests from Islamist groups.

The court, in a three-member bench led by the chief justice, Saqib Nisar, ordered Bibi’s release on Wednesday morning in Islamabad. By the afternoon, thousands of club-wielding demonstrators had blocked highways, burned tyres and pelted police with stones in major cities including Islamabad and Karachi.

Publication of the 56-page ruling was delayed for three weeks after blasphemy campaigners promised to “paralyse” the country and kill the judges if they did not uphold Bibi’s death sentence.

In a televised address after the verdict’s release, the prime minister, Imran Khan, issued a strong defence of the decision, terming it “according to the constitution and Pakistan’s constitution is according to the teachings of Islam”.

The leader of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI), who was criticised during his election campaign for aligning with far-right Islamists, threatened firm government action if protesters did not disperse and warned the population not to listen to agitators seeking to make political gain.

“Only enemies of the state call for the execution of judges,” he said.

Christian farm labourer Bibi, a 47-year-old mother of five, was sentenced to hang for blasphemy in 2010. She had angered fellow Muslim farm workers by taking a sip of water from a cup she had fetched for them on a hot day. When they demanded she convert to Islam, she refused, prompting a mob to later allege that she had insulted the prophet Mohammed.

Justice Asif Khosa, in a verdict widely praised for its courage and rigour, noted that the two sisters who accused Bibi “had no regard for the truth” and that the claim she smeared the prophet in public was “concoction incarnate”.

“It is ironical that in the Arabic language the appellant’s name Asia means ‘sinful’,” Khosa went on, “but in the circumstances of the present case she appears to be a person, in the words of Shakespeare’s King Lear, ‘more sinned against than sinning’.”

Authorities have removed Bibi from Adiala jail, in Rawalpindi, as they seek to get her out of the country as quickly as possible. In a phone call with AFP before her release, she said: “I can’t believe what I am hearing. Will I go out now? Will they let me out, really? I just don’t know what to say, I am very happy, I can’t believe it.”

The media has been prevented from discussing the case since the verdict was reserved on 8 October and footage of the spreading protests on Wednesday was avoided by increasingly censored TV stations.

In the past 24 hours, paramilitary security forces have deployed across the capital, protecting the judges’ enclave and the diplomatic zone. About 300 police were stationed to guard the supreme court. The southern province of Sindh has imposed a 10-day ban on rallies of any kind.
Protesters chant slogans during a demonstration in Lahore against the decision to overturn the conviction of Asia Bibi

Thousands of club-wielding supporters of Tehreek-e-Labbaik (TLP), a fast-growing political party dedicated solely to the punishment of blasphemy, took to the streets.

Khadim Rizvi, the TLP leader, announced he would “paralyse the country within hours” if Bibi was freed and acolytes returned to the Faizabad interchange in Islamabad, the site of a three-week-long protest camp held by the party last year that crippled the capital.

One TLP chief, Afzal Qadri, said all three judges were now liable for death and called for the army to mutiny against its leaders if they supported the decision.

Blasphemy carries an automatic death penalty in Pakistan’s legal system, and although the state has never executed anyone for the offence, vigilante mobs have killed at least 65 people since 1990, according to the centre for research and security studies. Ahead of the verdict, the third witness in the trial, a cleric, told the BBC that “reversing the two previous decisions in the case [is] encouraging people to take the law into their own hands”.

The case against Bibi highlighted two issues with blasphemy laws in Pakistan: how allegations can be used to settle personal scores, and lower-court judges feel unable to acquit defendants for fear of their lives. The supreme court was due to hear Bibi’s appeal in 2016, but delayed the trial after one of the judges recused himself. In 2011, the governor of Punjab province, Salmaan Taseer, and the minorities minister, Shahbaz Bhatti, were murdered after they spoke in defence of Bibi and called for reform of blasphemy laws.

Bibi, who is the first woman to be sentenced to death for blasphemy in Pakistan, has remained in solitary confinement for the past eight years. On 7 October, Ashiq Masih, Bibi’s husband, rejected reports that his wife was suffering from dementia and said she was “spiritually strong” and “ready and willing to die for Christ”. In February, Pope Francis met Ashiq at the Vatican, and Pakistan’s small Christian minority held fasts and prayer sessions before the verdict.

Shahbaz Taseer, the son of the murdered governor Salmaan Taseer, told the Guardian: “This is a huge victory for my father, for Pakistan, for the poor, for the judicial system, for every marginalised person in this country.

“I have seen so much in my very short life. I have never seen anything like this. I was released [from five years in Taliban captivity], the same day that Mumtaz Qadri [the killer of his father] was hung. But this is even better than that, this is justice at last.”