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Gays say no to religious freedoms

Post by Rorschach » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:36 am

Here we are yet again with gay and activist prog sponsored stupidity.
Grand Mufti challenges gay teachers’ rights to work in Islamic schools

Australia’s Grand Mufti has signalled open hostility to gay teachers in Islamic schools in defiance of Bill Shorten’s proposed changes to discrimination laws, saying they engage in “abnormal practices that contradict nature” and suffer from “mental illness”.

The intervention from Sheik Taj El-Din Hilaly, whose standing as Grand Mufti is disputed by the Australian National Imams Council, comes amid splits in the Coalition over how religious freedom protections should apply to teachers.


In the wake of the leaking of the Ruddock review into religious freedoms last week, the Opposition Leader has demanded the removal of legal exemptions ­allowing faith-based schools to discriminate against teachers on the basis of sexual orientation

The push from Mr Shorten comes ahead of the crucial weekend by-election in Wentworth, which is home to one of the largest LGBTI communities in Australia.

Labor’s proposal would require Scott Morrison to expand his pledge to shut down laws, introduced by Labor in 2013, allowing students to be expelled from ­religious schools for being gay.

Mr Shorten’s proposal faces the prospect of opposition from some Islamic leaders, with nine of the 12 Sydney seats that voted against same-sex marriage being held by Labor MPs, including the electorates of Labor frontbenchers Chris Bowen, Tony Burke and Jason Clare.

Sheik Hilaly yesterday told The Australian that homosexual teachers should “not impose their lifestyle on the rest of society, especially schools which are supposed to provide an environment of learning and culture and not a club for those seeking to satisfy their desires”.

While Christian leaders have also defended the right of faith- based schools to hire staff who uphold their religious teachings and values, Sheik Hilaly yesterday demonstrated a stronger reluctance towards having gay teachers in Islamic schools.

Sheik Hilaly, whose reappointment as Grand Mufti of Australia last month by Imam Abdul Taub Raza at Logan Mosque in Queensland has been challenged, yesterday said gay people suffered from a “mental illness”.

Speaking through a translator, he told The Australian: “We are a free democratic society that believes in diversity and human rights and we reject constrictions on the rights of others even if they are afflicted with abnormal practices that contradict nature.

“In such cases, we must respect their humanity and deal with the issue as a mental illness that requires care and treatment.”

Josh Frydenberg, a prominent Jewish politician, yesterday suggested the government was open to accepting the push by Labor to introduce extra protections for gay teachers, a position the Prime Minister would not endorse when grilled in question time by Mr Shorten. “I don’t think there’s any room for discrimination, be it a student or against a teacher,” the Treasurer told ABC radio. “But that being said, we need to work through this process with the Labor Party and ensure that we provide front to the country.”

The Australian understands Mr Morrison will not move to extend additional protections to gay teachers, but will focus on closing the exemption for students. The treatment of teachers will instead be unveiled when the government delivers its considered response to the review of religious freedoms led by former Liberal attorney-general Philip Ruddock.

Addressing Labor in parliament yesterday, Mr Morrison said the government did not “take kindly to being lectured on these issues when you created the laws which created the discrimination”.

Nationals MP Andrew Broad, in a sentiment shared by other conservative Coalition MPs, also argued in favour of the ability of non-government schools to discriminate against gay teachers if they did not uphold the key values of the school.

“If a parent sends their child to a school and they are paying for that school, then they expect that school in their leadership, in their teaching faculty, to uphold the values that they believe in,” he said.


“The school needs to be able to employ people that hold the values the parents expect.”

Mr Shorten said he was “pleased both sides of ­politics are now united in the view­ that exemptions allowing ­religious schools to discriminate against children should be removed”.

“I believe we can use this goodwill to go further and remove the exemption that would allow a teacher or school staff member to be sacked or refused employment because of their sexual orientation,” he said.

Labor MPs also spoke out yesterday, defending the ability of faith-based schools to hire staff who supported the key tenets of their religion.

NSW MP Chris Hayes, who holds the western Sydney seat of Fowler, which recorded a 63.7 per cent no vote against same-sex marriage, said: “Having a close association with religious schools, I know that there’s some teachers who are in same sex relationships.”

“I don’t think that’s the issue. I think a good teacher is a good teacher. I think the issue may be if someone decided to go out and expand upon or promote their relationship. That might be seen to be acting against the principles of the (school’s) faith. That could be seen as a different thing.”

Victorian Labor senator Kimberley Kitching said religious schools should be able to fire teachers if they did not teach the “ethos” of the school, including on same-sex marriage.

“That is different from the removing of the discrimination of the sexual orientation of the teacher,” she told Sky News.

Labor frontbencher Michelle Rowland, whose northwest Sydney seat, Greenway, voted against same-sex marriage, said the issue of allowing religious schools to ban gay teachers was “vexed”.

“Of course you have particular religious schools who may well expect their teachers to be able to teach a certain religion or adhere to certain values,” Ms Rowland told Sky News. “But it really does get to what was described as the thin end of the wedge.’’
A couple of points... what children actually exhibit true homosexuality even when being children they have not even reached puberty. Hence the crap being discussed re them is moot.
Being gay does not make one a bad teacher or a bad person and as such sexuality should never be discussed or come into question. This making this point also moot. Mind you some gays and activists like to advertise their sexuality everywhere. In which case it should be either ok for a school to dismiss them on the grounds that they are not doing their job properly and or they could use them as an example of what the school does not stand for and as such be protected from any legal actions or recriminations by the gay person involved.
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Re: Gays say no to religious freedoms

Post by Rorschach » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:37 am

Oh and one more thing... if anyone thought Muslims and Islamic schools were not going to be the loudest voices against homosexuality in schools etc... they be kidding themselves. :du
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Re: Gays say no to religious freedoms

Post by Black Orchid » Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:47 am

Schools, like any other organisation, should employ people on their abilities and not their sexual orientation. I can't see why sexual preferences would even come into it and you should definitely not be sacked just because you are gay.

By the same token, if you are attending an interview in a dress, lipstick and a 5 o'clock shadow the school should have every right to pass you over in favour of someone else who may be a better fit, without fear of recrimination.

It's the activists who are causing the most damage and most of them aren't even gay themselves. Teaching gender fluidity in schools is appalling and confusing to growing minds which are already confused to begin with. Keep your progressive BS at home and leave the schools alone. Activists bringing sexuality and gender fluidity into the classroom deserve to be sacked. I have no problem with these ones being shown the door.

Muslims will always be the loudest voice against gays. Which is the reason governments should not be continually swamping countries with cultures who are the polar opposite to their own. It's not racism. It's common sense.

Oh and if that piece of scum Hilaly wants to portray himself as a spokesperson for Muslims in Australia he should at least be able to speak English so that the majority of the population can understand him! And where are the shrieks from The Greens and Labs regarding his comments about gays? All I hear is ... silence!

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Post by Rorschach » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:21 pm

Totally agree... :thumb
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Re: Gays say no to religious freedoms

Post by Rorschach » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:24 pm

The Libs of course have fluffed this issue totally yet again... first they never got a real plebiscite going, then they didn't end the safe schools programs and now religious freedoms are under threat.

On this issue since the Prog Left pollies managed to get SSM up and since most Australians are not homophobic they should simply have agreed straight away to create national laws to ensure people cannot be banned expelled or sacked simply due to their sexuality... which should be a personal and private thing, not a school issue.
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Re: Gays say no to religious freedoms

Post by Valkie » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:14 pm

My primary concern is that the right to object is being gradually eroded from NORMAL people.

While I have no particular issue with the weird mob
I do object to it being continually rammed down our throats.
Every time you turn around there is some fringe group or other demanding this, yelling that, calling normals names and calling us intolerant.

Why can't they just act like normal people
Why do male gays have to prance around like fairies?
Why do female gays chop off their hair and dress like a bloke and act tough?.
Why do they have to be so loud and obnoxious, when simply acting circumspect would be so much nicer to everyone around them.

Sure I get that they did it tough
minority abnormals always do
But they got their SSM, they got their recognition, they even have some outstanding rights, why not just leave it at that.
They only account for some 3% of the population, yet they make more noise than the other 97% combined.
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Re: Gays say no to religious freedoms

Post by Neferti » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:25 pm

Have you ever noticed that in a "gay" relationship, one acts as the male, the other as a female? They even dress that way. The ponce in the male homosexual relationship, acts the "female" role. The "partner" acts butch. Ditto the lesbians.

I don't care what they do in the privacy of their own bedroom (lounge or whatever). I just wish that they would shut up about it. NOBODY CARES!!!!

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Re: Gays say no to religious freedoms

Post by Nicole » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:12 pm

Black Orchid wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:47 am
Schools, like any other organisation, should employ people on their abilities and not their sexual orientation. I can't see why sexual preferences would even come into it and you should definitely not be sacked just because you are gay.

By the same token, if you are attending an interview in a dress, lipstick and a 5 o'clock shadow the school should have every right to pass you over in favour of someone else who may be a better fit, without fear of recrimination.

It's the activists who are causing the most damage and most of them aren't even gay themselves. Teaching gender fluidity in schools is appalling and confusing to growing minds which are already confused to begin with. Keep your progressive BS at home and leave the schools alone. Activists bringing sexuality and gender fluidity into the classroom deserve to be sacked. I have no problem with these ones being shown the door.

Muslims will always be the loudest voice against gays. Which is the reason governments should not be continually swamping countries with cultures who are the polar opposite to their own. It's not racism. It's common sense.

Oh and if that piece of scum Hilaly wants to portray himself as a spokesperson for Muslims in Australia he should at least be able to speak English so that the majority of the population can understand him! And where are the shrieks from The Greens and Labs regarding his comments about gays? All I hear is ... silence!
Great post orchid; especially that last paragraph.

Where’s Brian on that?

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Re: Gays say no to religious freedoms

Post by brian ross » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:23 pm

Where am I, "Nicole"?

I am on the side of the Gays.

Imagine a world, if you can, where "straights" are not considered "normal". Where they are oppressed. Where they are subject to erroneous psychological bullshit treatments which damage brains and bodies. Where they are forced to be be like all the Gays around them or they might be bashed and beaten, where their rights are ignored and they are treated like dirt by the surrounding society.

Still a little bit hard? I wonder why 'cause that is what many Gay people have been subjected to for hundred and hundreds of years.

Now, if you know anything about a French philosopher named Alexis Charles Henri Clérel, Viscount de Tocqueville, you'd know why Gays are now speaking out. He once wrote a book, Democracy in America. He expounded a theory about "rising expectations". Once you grant a little bit of freedom, the oppressed demand more freedom. Guess what many Gays are feeling? A little bit of freedom.
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Re: Gays say no to religious freedoms

Post by Rorschach » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:33 pm

See now that's the problem with bwian, he never addresses the REAL WORLD. :du :du :du :oops
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