The truth of the Uluru statement

[Valkie]

You are a fool
So pent up with hate for non-aboriginals.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but the fact is that I am no racist
That I had many various races at my wedding, including aboriginals
That I have aboriginal, and people of other races as friends.

The difference between us is that unlike you, with your closed bitter mind
I have an open mind and I'm willing to discuss and express my opinions openly with anyone.

The history of the world, and nature, is really quite simple
The strong survive, the weak are taken over or die out.
This is a simple and unalterable fact of life.

The aboriginals themselves have destroyed the culture before them.
They in turn were incapable of fighting off their "invaders" as you would have it.
Their culture, their way of life, was insufficiently robust to combat a superior force.
In nature's way, they have been taken over.

But that is not the end for a culture.
When the Romans invaded countries, the best of most cultures was absorbed into the Roman culture.
Any advantageous traits of an invaded culture always get adopted.
But little has been offered by the aboriginal culture to Australia.
Except their lazy, nomadic and parasitic ways.

They have opportunity, in spades, if they chose to take it.
But they do not, in most cases.
Preferring to play the victim card and refusing to get off their collective arses and work.
The final result, no matter how much the scream, whinge, mutter and complain
Will be the total eradication of their culture


Very few "aboriginals" could live off the land as they once did
Only a slightly larger number actually speak one of the many dialects.
None, I repeat, none, would honestly follow the true aboriginal ways of their forebears.
Their culture, what there was of it, is dead
All that remains is the shadow of a no longer existent culture.
They know it, they are defeated and simply wait for the inevitable end.

That is why they don't try
That is why they drink and take drugs
That is why they scream and shout
They know they are finished.
And that my friend is the honest truth.

[Neferti]

Are there ANY full blooded Aboriginals left? How about we DNA those who claim aboriginality? I reckon there is a LOT of IRISH, etc in their DNA. Therefore they cannot claim to be ORIGINAL or trace themselves back to before Captain Cook.

It is all about ancestry. Indigenous Australians, full blood or part blood are all related to the original inhabitants of Australia. They have the right to claim ownership of the continent as their claim predates that of the arrival of the first white colonists in 1788.

Oh, and Australia Day has nothing to do with Captain Cook, it is about Arthur Phillip and the First Fleet.

As far as I am aware, only certain politicians from the Tories and the Greens have suggested that...

Now, for 5 points, where did Arthur Phillip first land in Australia?

[Rorschach]

Are there ANY full blooded Aboriginals left? How about we DNA those who claim aboriginality? I reckon there is a LOT of IRISH, etc in their DNA. Therefore they cannot claim to be ORIGINAL or trace themselves back to before Captain Cook.

It is all about ancestry. Indigenous Australians, full blood or part blood are all related to the original inhabitants of Australia. They have the right to claim ownership of the continent as their claim predates that of the arrival of the first white colonists in 1788.

Oh, and Australia Day has nothing to do with Captain Cook, it is about Arthur Phillip and the First Fleet.

As far as I am aware, only certain politicians from the Tories and the Greens have suggested that...

Now, for 5 points, where did Arthur Phillip first land in Australia?

LOL
Do they have a right to deny half their existence bwian?

[Rorschach]

bwian is as we all know... a fool... apparently he believes that songs by Midnight Oil are historically factual and good policy basis.

[brian ross]

Now, for 5 points, where did Arthur Phillip first land in Australia?

[Picture of Phillip landing at Sydney Cove]

Actually he didn't at Sydney Cove first. He landed at Kurnell in Botany Bay on 18 January 1788. Tut, tut, so much knowledge about Australia's early history has been lost to the people. We've had politicians claim the 26 January represents the day Captain Cook landed in Australia, that it occurred in Sydney Cove and that it represents the founding of the nation of Australia. In reality, Australia Day on the 26 January wasn't even a national holiday until 1994. Australia was founded on 1 January 1901 and that I suggest should be the real Australia Day. Sydney can keep it's foundation day, Australia needs a truly national day and one which Indigenous Australians can join.

[brian ross]

You are a fool
So pent up with hate for non-aboriginals.

I don't hate non-Aborigines, Valkie. I hate Racists and Bigots. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority, like you are represented by non-Indigenous Australians. Tut, tut.

Australia Day being celebrate on 26 January is a day which is non-representational of the entire nation of Australia. We should be celebrating Australia Day on 1 January. On 1 January 1901 Australia the nation was created. Before that it had been separate colonies. Something you appear to neither understand or accept. Sydney can keep 26 January as a state holiday as it's foundation day but it does not represent the founding of the nation of Australia.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but the fact is that I am no racist

Yet you keep spouting Racism and Bigotry in nearly every post you make. Gee, I guess that doesn't make you an Australian either, now does it? Tut, tut. You're full of bullshit, Valkie. I suspect you don't even understand what Racism and Bigotry is.

That I had many various races at my wedding, including aboriginals
That I have aboriginal, and people of other races as friends.

Yeah, yeah, you claim that but what proof do you have? Mmm? Lets see you post a picture of your wedding with all these Indigenous Australians in it.

The difference between us is that unlike you, with your closed bitter mind
I have an open mind and I'm willing to discuss and express my opinions openly with anyone.

No matter how hurtful and disgusting they are?

I too have an open mind. I too am willing to discuss and express my opinions with anyone, Valkie. I just don't set out to hurt people deliberately, unlike you with your open displays of ignorance, hatred and bigotry. Tut, tut.

The history of the world, and nature, is really quite simple
The strong survive, the weak are taken over or die out.
This is a simple and unalterable fact of life.

Except we are human and supposedly above nature and we take into consideration that all people are equal. Genetics has proved that, we all share the same genepool, we all descended from the same Africans.

The aboriginals themselves have destroyed the culture before them.

Evidence, please.

They in turn were incapable of fighting off their "invaders" as you would have it.

Evidence, please.

Their culture, their way of life, was insufficiently robust to combat a superior force.
In nature's way, they have been taken over.

Yet they still survive, they still exist. They are citizens of this nation. Their needs and considerations need to be taken into account.

But that is not the end for a culture.
When the Romans invaded countries, the best of most cultures was absorbed into the Roman culture.

News to the Druids, I'm sure. News to the Jews, I'm sure. You're speaking from ignorance, Valkie. Give it up, please.

Any advantageous traits of an invaded culture always get adopted.
But little has been offered by the aboriginal culture to Australia.
Except their lazy, nomadic and parasitic ways.

Except that they weren't all nomadic, nor are they parasitic. Without Indigenous Australians, the early explorers would have all expired from hunger and thirst. Without Indigenous Australians, the cattle industry would not have been established. Their contribution has been considerable. Time you left your Colonial mindset behind.

[Neferti]

Now, for 5 points, where did Arthur Phillip first land in Australia?

[Picture of Phillip landing at Sydney Cove]

Actually he didn't at Sydney Cove first. He landed at Kurnell in Botany Bay on 18 January 1788. Tut, tut, so much knowledge about Australia's early history has been lost to the people. We've had politicians claim the 26 January represents the day Captain Cook landed in Australia, that it occurred in Sydney Cove and that it represents the founding of the nation of Australia. In reality, Australia Day on the 26 January wasn't even a national holiday until 1994. Australia was founded on 1 January 1901 and that I suggest should be the real Australia Day. Sydney can keep it's foundation day, Australia needs a truly national day and one which Indigenous Australians can join.

I didn't say he landed at "Sydney Cove" first.

The 11 ships of the First Fleet set sail on 13 May 1787. The leading ship, HMS Supply reached Botany Bay setting up camp on the Kurnell Peninsula,[31] on 18 January 1788. Phillip soon decided that this site, chosen on the recommendation of Sir Joseph Banks, who had accompanied James Cook in 1770, was not suitable, since it had poor soil, no secure anchorage and no reliable water source. After some exploration Phillip decided to go on to Port Jackson, and on 26 January the marines and convicts landed at Sydney Cove, which Phillip named after Lord Sydney.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!

I heard that stupid Plibersek spouting on TV the other night that Captain Cook landed at Sydney Cove and is the reason we have Australia Day on 26th January. There was no such place as Sydney Cove when Cook was about. Phillip re-named Port Jackson as Sydney Cover (see above).

January 1st is Federation Day (and New Years Day).

[Neferti]

Now, for 5 points, where did Arthur Phillip first land in Australia?

[Picture of Phillip landing at Sydney Cove]

Actually he didn't at Sydney Cove first. He landed at Kurnell in Botany Bay on 18 January 1788. Tut, tut, so much knowledge about Australia's early history has been lost to the people. We've had politicians claim the 26 January represents the day Captain Cook landed in Australia, that it occurred in Sydney Cove and that it represents the founding of the nation of Australia. In reality, Australia Day on the 26 January wasn't even a national holiday until 1994. Australia was founded on 1 January 1901 and that I suggest should be the real Australia Day. Sydney can keep it's foundation day, Australia needs a truly national day and one which Indigenous Australians can join.

I didn't say he landed at "Sydney Cove" first.

The 11 ships of the First Fleet set sail on 13 May 1787. The leading ship, HMS Supply reached Botany Bay setting up camp on the Kurnell Peninsula,[31] on 18 January 1788. Phillip soon decided that this site, chosen on the recommendation of Sir Joseph Banks, who had accompanied James Cook in 1770, was not suitable, since it had poor soil, no secure anchorage and no reliable water source. After some exploration Phillip decided to go on to Port Jackson, and on 26 January the marines and convicts landed at Sydney Cove, which Phillip named after Lord Sydney.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!

I heard that stupid Plibersek spouting on TV the other night that Captain Cook landed at Sydney Cove and is the reason we have Australia Day on 26th January. There was no such place as Sydney Cove when Cook was about. **** Phillip named Sydney Cover (see above).

January 1st is Federation Day (and New Years Day).

NB I went to change my original post but there's a limit and I missed it.

[brian ross]

I am glad you changed it 'cause I was just about to correct your original post.

Port Jackson is the official name of the inlet that Sydney Harbour and Sydney Cove are situated in. Sydney Cove was originally named Warrane, also War-ran, Warrang and Wee-rong by the Indigenous Australians (the variations on spelling is because of the different dialects/spellings attributed to the early settlers). Sydney Cove was named;

after the British Home Secretary, the 1st Baron Sydney (who was later created The 1st Viscount Sydney in 1789). It was the site chosen by Captain Arthur Phillip, R.N. between 21 and 23 January 1788 for the British penal settlement which is now the city of Sydney, and where possession of New South Wales was formally declared on 26 January (now commemorated as Australia Day). Today, the exact site where the flag was planted is unmarked, beneath buildings of Circular Quay.

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[Neferti]

I am glad you changed it 'cause I was just about to correct your original post.

Stiff luck.

Port Jackson is the official name of the inlet that Sydney Harbour and Sydney Cove are situated in. Sydney Cove was originally named Warrane, also War-ran, Warrang and Wee-rong by the Indigenous Australians (the variations on spelling is because of the different dialects/spellings attributed to the early settlers).

Did you ask your indigenous mates what the word "warrane" (or whatever) means? ...........

Don't worry, I found it.

Oh, and since the Aboriginal peoples had no idea about reading, writing or arithmetic, I presume this "information" is via "old women's tales" or similar and we all know how accurate that is.

The Aboriginal name for Sydney Cove as recorded in a number of First Fleet journals, maps and vocabularies, was Warrane, also spelt as War-ran, Warrang and Wee-rong. This place is highly significant to both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal people as a site of first contact between the Eora and the Berewalgal (meaning people from a distant place: the Europeans).

Warrane and Sydney Harbour were integral to the everyday lives of the Eora people. The men speared fish from the shoreline, while the women line-fished from their nowies (canoes). The Berewalgal gathered local knowledge about the Eora people and their fishing spots through observation and interaction.

Historical records show that a group of Aboriginal people were camping at the Government Boatsheds at Circular Quay from the 1830s through to the 1880s. The camp was disbanded in 1881 and its residents moved to La Perouse, in the lead up to the formation of the Aborigines Protection Board.

Have the Aboriginal people EVER done anything for themselves? They have been (obviously) sponging off the "settlers" ever since Australia was called Australia.

Sydney Cove was named; after the British Home Secretary, the 1st Baron Sydney (who was later created The 1st Viscount Sydney in 1789). It was the site chosen by Captain Arthur Phillip, R.N. between 21 and 23 January 1788 for the British penal settlement which is now the city of Sydney, and where possession of New South Wales was formally declared on 26 January (now commemorated as Australia Day). Today, the exact site where the flag was planted is unmarked, beneath buildings of Circular Quay.

Gosh, you worked all that out did you Brian? Well done! You'll become an Aussie Historian in no time flat.