The truth of the Uluru statement

[brian ross]

Still missing, completely avoiding, the point. There there Brian. Pats you on the head.

No, BO, what I have done is demonstrate that the Bolter and yourself have an appalling understanding of exactly what British Imperialism meant for the subject peoples of the British Empire. You ignore their suffering believing it was "all for the greater good", when in reality it was real suffering by real people who resented being ruled from London for the benefit of the British people.

Out of a matter of interest, do you ever what watch "Antiques Roadshow" on ABC-TV? I have to keep explaining to my kids, the reason why common folk in the UK have all these fantastic antiques in their possession when the UK, particularly in Victorian times is portrayed constantly as being poverty stricken and living in slum like conditions. Do you know why, BO? Because of the British Empire. Nabobs would often go out, poor to the Empire and would return fabulously wealthy. How? 'cause they'd ripped off the Natives and ground their faces into the dirt. Tut, tut and you'd just overlook that 'cause you believe that the Indigenous people would have been worse off under other Imperial Powers? Apart from the odd massacre, most of the other Imperial Powers left their subject peoples pretty well alone. Only the British thought they should save them, often with disastrous consequences. "White man's burden" was created by an Englishman - Rudyard Kipling - who really believed all that bullshit. Just as you and the Bolter do.

[Black Orchid]

Sorry Brian, regardless of what Bolt says, all you have displayed is gross stupidity and sheer ignorance in declaring that the Aborigines would still happily be living their primitive and isolated lifestyle if the British did not colonise Australia.

There there, pats you on the head

[Neferti]

Are there ANY full blooded Aboriginals left? How about we DNA those who claim aboriginality? I reckon there is a LOT of IRISH, etc in their DNA. Therefore they cannot claim to be ORIGINAL or trace themselves back to before Captain Cook.

Oh, and Australia Day has nothing to do with Captain Cook, it is about Arthur Phillip and the First Fleet.

[Valkie]

Chap named Lloyd Billingsley back in the 1980's wrote a book, part of which addressed the issue of the 'accredited victim status' groups on the rise in society.

Much could be gained for little to no effort by garnering 'accredited victim status', and the costs to a society were inestimable - with much of the costing going to the equivalent of warlords in a country to which we of the West offer 'aid'.

Such things generate an 'industry' of their own - a non-productive 'industry' and one which garners huge incomes and benefits for life for its 'leaders', including wonderful 'chairs' at 'universities' in 'social studies' and similar, and often political appointment or election to a life earner.

This was on "That other forum"

But it quite accurately describes the victim industry our dark? Skinned brethren religiously adhere to.

Rather than work
Play the victim card, add some abbos, scream racism and bingo
Your set for life.

[brian ross]

Sorry Brian, regardless of what Bolt says, all you have displayed is gross stupidity and sheer ignorance in declaring that the Aborigines would still happily be living their primitive and isolated lifestyle if the British did not colonise Australia.

There there, pats you on the head

And your evidence to the contrary would be, what exactly, BO?

The problem with counter-factual argument is that there is no facts to back your point.

The French might have been interested in Australia BUT and it is a big BUT, their expeditions were purely exploratory, not possessive in nature.

Paulmier de Gonneville. ...
Francois St Alouarn.
Marion du Fresne. ...
Compte de La Perouse. ...
Bruni D'Entrecasteaux. ...
Nicolas Baudin. ...
Louis de Freycinet. ...
Durmond d'Urville.

Were not sent with the intention to posses Australia. In fact, the earliest explorers weren't even aware of the continent's existence or size. France was a continental power for the most part.

Portugal and Spain were mostly interested in trade and Australia had apparently very little worth trading for. Neither nation was interested in anything that was poor. If it didn't have gold, silver or spices they weren't really interested in it.

The Japanese showed no interest of moving our of Japan before the arrival of Matthew Perry in 1853. The Japanese were insular and isolationist for most of their history.

The Chinese lost all interest in overseas exploration and trade after the death of Zheng He in 1453 and the Yongle Emperor in 1424. China was a continental power for the most part.

So, who, BO? Who would have relieved those poor, benighted Indigenous Australians of their ignorance, their land, their families and their culture and livelihood? Mmmmm?

[brian ross]

Are there ANY full blooded Aboriginals left? How about we DNA those who claim aboriginality? I reckon there is a LOT of IRISH, etc in their DNA. Therefore they cannot claim to be ORIGINAL or trace themselves back to before Captain Cook.

It is all about ancestry. Indigenous Australians, full blood or part blood are all related to the original inhabitants of Australia. They have the right to claim ownership of the continent as their claim predates that of the arrival of the first white colonists in 1788.

Oh, and Australia Day has nothing to do with Captain Cook, it is about Arthur Phillip and the First Fleet.

As far as I am aware, only certain politicians from the Tories and the Greens have suggested that...

Now, for 5 points, where did Arthur Phillip first land in Australia?

[Valkie]

So at what point does one no longer qualify as an abbos
1/8 cast?
1/32 cast?
1/100 cast?

Many "abbos????"
Resemble abbos less than I do
Their great, great, great, great, great grandfather might have been.
But they have so many other bloods in their system it would be virtually impossible to prove.
You do realise that abbos genes are recessive don't you?
That is, it will never come to the front with throwbacks like negros.

Assuming you are happy to have anyone with any microscopic amount of abbos in their blood

What happens as their numbers grow
More and more parasites all living off the few non-existent abbos who actually work and pay tax.

Sooner or later, the camels back will break
And they will have no choice to either work or die
And after 200 years of being parasites, it will be quite a wake up call.

By the by
You never answered my question
What would you consider adequate compensation for their perceived land and problems we have supposedly inflicted upon them?

[brian ross]

Indigenous Australians represent about 2-3% of the Australian population.

You cannot undo their ancestry. You cannot undo the damage that Racists like yourself, Valkie have done to Indigenous Australians. You should be ashamed by your questioning of "how Aborigine are Aborigines?" Question. It is like asking, "how Anglo-Saxon/Celtic/Nordic are Anglo-Saxon/Celtic/Nordic descended Australians?" DNA does not lie, it does not allow you to lie about your ancestry, Valkie. When all Australians are related to Indigenous Australians, then you can complain but until then, you and I and all other Australians owe Indigenous Australians rent.

[Valkie]

Indigenous Australians represent about 2-3% of the Australian population.

You cannot undo their ancestry. You cannot undo the damage that Racists like yourself, Valkie have done to Indigenous Australians. You should be ashamed by your questioning of "how Aborigine are Aborigines?" Question. It is like asking, "how Anglo-Saxon/Celtic/Nordic are Anglo-Saxon/Celtic/Nordic descended Australians?" DNA does not lie, it does not allow you to lie about your ancestry, Valkie. When all Australians are related to Indigenous Australians, then you can complain but until then, you and I and all other Australians owe Indigenous Australians rent.

First of all.
I have done nothing to any aboriginal.
In fact, through my taxes, I have supported, fed and housed them.

Also, as I have stated, I am not a racist.
How many abbos, Greeks, Italians, Russians, Macedonians, Portuguese, Lebanese and Chinese did you have at your wedding, racist?

Finally
You have stated we owe them rent.
Ok
How much rent?
What is a fair deal?
Should every non-aboriginal person be forced to give even more of their income to the growing aboriginal population?

What happens when peo ppl e get sick of giving up so much of their income to a parasitic culture who contribute nothing, but want everything?

When does it all stop?

I have actually had this conversation with some of my abbos mates.
I suggested that if I knew my daughter or son were going to be set for life just by marrying an abbos, I would tell them to go for it, he'll I might go for it myself.

Then I suggested that more and more people would see the same and all of a sudden half the population is aboriginal or living with an aboriginal.
Now we would have only about 25-30% of Australians working and trying to pay enough tax to cover all the non-existent working abbos.

My abbos mates said, well that won't work.
We would have to restrict who could marry abbos and stop all the mixed marriages.

I said that's racist
You can't stop people marrying because of their race or colour.

It somewhat stumped them, ill tell you.
They just shrugged and said, don't matter, won't happen in my lifetime
Sort of like you bwyannnnnn

[brian ross]

So you claim, Valkie, so you claim. What evidence do you present to corroborate your claims? None of course. Why would you, you're a Racist and Racists never present verifiable evidence. Funny that, hey?

Now, run along, I hear your child minder calling you back to the little childrens' playground where your habits are tolerated. Out here, in the real world, you need to produce evidence to back your claims. Tut, tut, one day you'll learn.

You, like all non-Indigenous Australians owe Indigenous Australians rent. You stand on Indigenous Australians' land. Tut, tut.