How was the ETS meant to work anyway?

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Re: How was the ETS meant to work anyway?

Post by Aussie » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:08 pm

JW.Frogen wrote:
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Actually Frogbone, he was a debating champion in High School. Fact, as it happens.

Jesus H, I should have went to that High School, I would have been Churchill.

What was the name? Anal Retentive College?

Nah, Nambour (Qld) High School, a School I would drive passed 30,000 times each day!

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Re: How was the ETS meant to work anyway?

Post by JW.Frogen » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:28 pm

I have always said restraining orders do not work.
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Re: How was the ETS meant to work anyway?

Post by boxy » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:10 pm

JW.Frogen wrote:Jesus H, I should have went to High School...
Fixxed.
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Re: How was the ETS meant to work anyway?

Post by JW.Frogen » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:53 pm

In California I did ditch a lot.

Bilingual math held no allure for me at 3pm and a beautiful Pacific Ocean calling my name.

*I shit you not, we had bilingual math. The concept was to teach both English speaking students and Spanish speaking students’ math together, in both languages so we would become bilingual. Result, constant tension, no one learned each other's language and no one learned math.

See I had to suffer PC long before Australia ever thought of it.
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Re: How was the ETS meant to work anyway?

Post by Outlaw Yogi » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:39 pm

We are only adopting an (E)missions (T)rading (S)cheme because the Europeans have proven ETS to be a failure. So Mr KRudd gets to pretend he's being proactive while slipping Peabody Coal and the like more brown paper bag subsidies.
An ETS is not designed to reduce GHG emissions, an ETS is designed to redistribute responsibilities, liabilities and/or costs onto others so that current worst emitters can increase their emissions.
If KRudd & Co genuinely wanted to create an incentive for a reduction in GHG emissions they'd introduce a hydro-carbon tax.
But he and his won't because they belong to a doomsday cult commonly refered to as Christianity, and christians are deliberately trying to destroy the planet to self fulfill a morbid fantasy that Jesus will come back to save them from the mess THEY created.

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Re: How was the ETS meant to work anyway?

Post by JW.Frogen » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:19 pm

Fucking shit, I agree with Hoppy again.

What is next, are the Four Horseman of the Apocylpse going to ride out of my ass on Hoppy's Harley?
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Re: How was the ETS meant to work anyway?

Post by JW.Frogen » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:24 pm

Rudd is a political genius, he sent Penny Wong to Copenhagen knowing that just after a few minutes of listening to her condecending, annoying, nagosaurus whine-o-thon all nations will just give in to Australian demands to shut her up.
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Re: How was the ETS meant to work anyway?

Post by Hebe » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:33 am

Spot on Heretic.
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Re: How was the ETS meant to work anyway?

Post by Senexx » Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:44 pm

The trouble with the ETS is I do not think it can be cast in a language a lay person can understand, so I do not think it is saleable to the general public. It is not a tax but it appears to be a tax at it will increase prices. It is clear that is why many of those opposed to the ETS call it a tax.

The other alternative is an actual tax, it has been called a carbon tax.

I've said this elsewhere but here is a repost for here.

What follows is my understanding of the carbon tax vs. emissions trading debate.

We have known the ETS is a cap & trade system for a long time now.
Which of course means small business will do their job, sell their permits and big business will pollute just as much as they do now as they'll have all the permits. It essentially becomes a monopoly or an oligopoly.

Small business could then make a mistake and actually produce more carbon than it should but then get fined (I'm assuming a fine is an option for a breach) because there are no permits left to buy (trade) since big business has them all and isn't willing.

The small business is then forced out of the market place and goes out of business.

This is of no concern to big business. Big business puts the prices up to pay for new costs as they have always done.

The consumer pays more. Making ends meet becomes more difficult.

Sounds like a Tax. Not a tax per se but this is why it is broadly called a tax.

The concept of a carbon tax is actually simple and easy to understand. It is broad based and applies equally to all. The CIS have outlined quite nicely how a carbon tax would work. I think it would be more saleable in the broader electorate which thus far has confessed it does not understand the ETS.

As far as I can tell, the only reason we're introducing an ETS is because most of the rest of the world is and it is easier to trade like with like (ETS & ETS) instead of like with unlike (ETS & Carbon Tax).

It is irrelevant whether the science is correct or not, the rest of the world is acting so it is politically astute for Australia to be seen to be acting as well.

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Re: How was the ETS meant to work anyway?

Post by Aussie » Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:02 pm

I've said this elsewhere
Where?

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